Are Fury druids Ultimately limited?

[remsy]

I have been in two duel games where I met these pallies who absolutely destroyed me.
I was mad, I was confused and didn't even care to see their gear. All I wanted was to be able to destroy them when next we met.

One of the pallies even went so far as to brag that there were only 3 others who have beaten him in melee combat.

So I need to ask, can the ultimate werewolf beat the ultimate zealer?

I have to assume he had the best gear to have been able to do what he did.

His zeal speed was so fast, you know when the game doesn't keep up anymore and it seems like they're zealing only once every couple of seconds? That kinda speed.

And when I hit him, it didn't do the damage is usually does against pallies.

He must've have lots of damage reduction gear and I don't mean the % damage reduction.

I'm not the best werewolf but I'm pretty sure I'm no slouch either with 5k life and using a grief phase, I'm up there in speed.

In case a gear change needs to be made, I was wearing fortitude, 1 ravenfrost and the rest angelics (you know, I should switch back to my original dual ravens, highlords method), goreriders, jalals, verdungos and dracs.

My stash has only 2 shape gcs(sadly no life but searching for those) the rest is 20, 19 and 18 life scs, 35+ life scs with ar or damage or dex, anni and torch. I have a poison creeper out when I duel aswell as ravens and oak sage.

I've come to realize that I almost never use rabies. It's almost useless pvm and pvp, it's pretty risky to waste time trying to bite someone while they're pounding on you.

Should I remake and max heart of wolverine while rounding off with oak sage?

And the last question, a question I feel is rather important is:
Does fortitude really affect grief overall damage?
Or does it only affect the base damage which is pretty negligible?

[Edenborn]

i got the same problem...:cry:

i think its a problem with all fury wolves and sorry i couldent help but IMO more life is better

[remsy]

It's not all pallies, it's just that every once in awhile, I run into those types of zealers and I wonder what's up.

[MortIIs]

5k life ain't exactly high. Perhaps you hsould go for more life and more DR. I hope you have max block aswell...

[remsy]

I have max of both, that part is always obvious. And 5k life ain't exactly low either...

[MortIIs]

Of course it ain't low, but perhaps invest in skillers with higher life and, life/ar sc's. That should boost up the life.

[remsy]

Read the original post man, all I need to do is invest in two gcs with good life.
The rest is already filled with life gcs and lcs with minimum of 18 on the scs and 33 on the lcs.
4 bo cta and oak sage bring my total up to what it is.
Once I finish my last bit of tweaking today, it should be at 6k life.

[MortIIs]

6k that's with oak?

[ToThePoint]

wolves to distract and take some zeal strikes, check your base stats aren't too high.
5k life with bo and oak is relatively low, as mortiis suggests, so thats an area for improvement. 6k is not 'that' high either but better ofc.
pvp is very item dependant so if you have far inferior items to the zealot then you are not going to do so well.
with similar to your items imo zealots > druids
almost 25% faster - far better chance to hit which may make up for their lower life totals but then all depends whos duelling etc if bo, life tap etc are allowed.

[StealthBlade]

Unfortunately zeal is not interruptable unlike fury. While you try to attack, they can just keep on zealing and interrupting yours. I', pretty sure this is the reason that a lot of zealots are good duelers. You can check some of the PvP zealot guides for more info.

[electricblue]

always walking while duelling right?

you should use rabies or you should have lots of life, more then or about two times as much as theirs.

they hit practically 1/5 of the attacks, and you hit about less then 1/10 of attacks due to their defense. and they swing faster with grief..

[xpumafangx]

I hardly ever duel a zealot any more. In fact I havent dueled a zealot with a werewolf since I started doing werewolfs. I do play zealots as well. I prefer using a zealot over a werewolf when using a 1 handed weapon. Zealots do more damage then werewolfs where werewolfs have a higher attack ratting. Items wise I would work on your hit recovery and your life is really low with your oak and bo. A zealot with bo can get real close to the amount of life you have. Remsy if your on west, LOOK ME UP!

[lCE]

Get some 45 life shapes, or 37x3/20/20 then come back and see how you do :).

Also check your fhr, fbr frames. Fhr should be at 86% dueling zealots imo, fbr should be the one that shaeled stormshield gives you.

Using wolves and ravens also helps you distract and spread out their first zeal, enough for you to get a couple of furies in, which if connect will usually kill the zealot.

Dueling in nm with phys immune oak sage helps immensely also.

Imo a top wolf will always give a top zealot a run for his money, it will not be an easy duel for the zealot. But in the end unfortunately, zealot has more advantages in his favor than the wolf.

I miss the days of 1.09 when wolves easily destroyed zealots, it wasnt even a contest :).

[lCE]

I hardly ever duel a zealot any more. In fact I havent dueled a zealot with a werewolf since I started doing werewolfs. I do play zealots as well. I prefer using a zealot over a werewolf when using a 1 handed weapon. Zealots do more damage then werewolfs where werewolfs have a higher attack ratting. Items wise I would work on your hit recovery and your life is really low with your oak and bo. A zealot with bo can get real close to the amount of life you have. Remsy if your on west, LOOK ME UP!


I dont agree on few points. Zealot with bo can reach maximum 4.2-4.3k life and that with insanely expensive gear. A wolf with similar gear could top 7-8k life.
10k life is possible, but it will involve reliance on enigma and possibly scrapping max block.
Wolves and zealots damages are extremely similar. (high lvl fury can reach 700% + ed, zeal with fanaticism and synergies will have around 400% ed for synergized zeal + 400+% ed from fanaticism - 100% ed is hardly a noticeable difference, especially with the pvp penalty.)

[icicle]

Just doing some hypothesing:

Will this work well against a zealot?

Helm: 2 Ber'ed CoA
Armour: Fort
Belt: Verdungo
Rings: 2xRavenfrosts (23XAR, 20dex)
Boots: Goreriders
Gloves: Steelrends (60ED preferably)
Amulet: Highlord
Weapon: 415 eBOTD Thunder Maul

GC: 9xShapeshifter GC with 3X life (or swap with 130AR life GC if AR is insufficient)
LC: Druid Torch
SC: Annihilus, 1 5FHR (to get over 42FHR breakpt) and the rest, 20life SCs

maxed werewolf, lycan, fury, heart of wolverine, and dump remainder into oak sage and one point into hunger, one point into wolves for distraction.

Strength, enough to carry gears and dump remainder into vitality

Max damage wolf => With HoW (195ED), Fort (300ED), Fury (678ED), Steelrends (60ED), 200+ strength, 48% deadly strike, the damage range is between 5.7k to 31.9k at 7/4/4/4/4 and 1048% boost to AR.

Any chance at all? (correct me if there's any mistake).

[Mexicab]

Dont play as offensively with your wolf and the best life I've seen on a werwolf is 12k so you have some work to do.

[icicle]

The reason for the offensive build is that I hope to tank one hit from the zealot while killing him with 1-2 blows. Obviously, if I want to go for life build, then the gears would be totally different.

Which one works better??

[Tor]

i think max/ar/life are better than ss/life ultimately.

[icicle]

i think max/ar/life are better than ss/life ultimately.

Probably true, though I have no means to simulate that. :tongue: Also, SS/life are more attainable to most I guess compared to an inventory filled with 3/20/xx SC. :lipsrsealed:

Anyway, using the above, the PvP damage is around 1k to 5.4k. With 50% DR, it'd be 0.5k to 2.7k.

[stoutewolf]

it's a duel where you need tons of attackrating in, so max/ar/life or 30+ar/20life scs will beat shapers/life, assuming the pala has his usual ethereal exile, bringing 34589345 def and lifetap chance.


pretty much agree with ice ;)

[electricblue]

for high life, shapeshift with skillers, and then put on ar/life or max/ar/life smalls instead of skillers.

[remsy]

To say you saw a werewolf with 12k life doesn't make that anywhere near the norm.
My vita is over 300 and almost every charm in my inventory has to do with life but I'm nowhere near that.

[inkanddagger]

Offhand, my old druid on escl mainly used cerebus/hlo/ravens/fort etc vs zealots.
+8k life, 26k+ar, 8k+dmg with that gear.

Occasionally, depending on how much life I could tell the zealot had, I would swap ebotd for eth razor. that 9/6 fury, which some of you will look at and think "omg slow" but in reality, when you have such a slow block, it works to your benefit to have a slower attack sometimes. You get hit less, even if you get locked - but OW can do the trick vs most zealots.

The only other setup at 10/6 that I would consider is cham guilaumes, angelic setup. Use eth dc and have basically max ds, or ebotd and have 30% ds and a frame faster attack.

MOST zealots aren't that hard. Some of the high ranked ones on certain pvp ladders I hardly if ever lost to. In fact, the #1 zealot on one particular useast ladder I pratically never lost to, but you will find the occasional one that will fhr/block lock you into oblivion no matter your stats. (usually ones that use eth death)

[remsy]

That was the one I met...

[xpumafangx]

Ok ice yes I do know that werewolfs the good one should have alot of plus to skills but if a zealot had the same level of skills. They would do a little bit more damage and a little less attack ratting. Here Ill show what I mean.

werewolf
Fury lvl 40 does 763% damage and 323% ar.
Wolfform40 does 635% ar.
HOW 40 does 293% damage and 298% ar
All adding up thats 1056% damage and 1256% ar.

zealot
zeal lvl 40 with sac added on 456% damage and 400% ar.
Fant lvl 40 does 713% damage and 235% ar
blessed aims hidden bonus of 5% ar per lvl added comes to 100% ar at lvl 20.
All adding up thats 1169% damage and 813%ar.

Just a little bit more damage and less ar then a werewolf.

Then again how offten do you see a zealot running around with that kind of plus to skills on?

Also my werewolf does have 40 to all shapesitfing skills that I maxed out on so.