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so.. i'have been thinking to make bvc barb.. now i'm wearig:
-arreats
-eni / forti (agains barbs)
-draculs
-gore
-verdungo 36/15
-highlord's
-grief ba 38/355 (quite low..)
-stormshield (socket by 40% ed jewel)
-10 fcr ring (with some res and mana)
-20/204 raven frost
this eq have been working quite good agains barbs, palas, assas but druids and some sorcs are still quite hard to kill.. should i sell my forti and buy second grief?
or just something else? there is so few good barbs that i could duel (i mostly kill them quite easy) so i want to make bvc. :grin: so please help me with this problem.. :afro:
mainaman
20-03-2006, 00:46
for bvc you dont need a shield but a beast zrk
if you want to go bva then keep the sield for melee duels. also you need arachnid/tgod/ow +str crafted beklt
2x10fcr rings with mana /life /res/dext modes
2 ravens/ 2 angeic rings+amulet
alot of max/ar/life sc's or plain 20 life sc's
demonlimb for enchant
I am sure i left out something ...
ok.. so arach would be better than verdungo? then i will get one.. hmm.. so dual axe would be good? hmm.. can u tell me why barb needs to leap when duel with caster? can i jump over those spells or what? i dont really understand that.. :P
Uncle_Mike
20-03-2006, 14:58
ok.. so arach would be better than verdungo? then i will get one.. hmm.. so dual axe would be good? hmm.. can u tell me why barb needs to leap when duel with caster? can i jump over those spells or what? i dont really understand that.. :P
Actually you leap where you stand, sort of jump up :wink3: Leap is used to stun the caster so that you can tele on top of him when he is in hit recovery animation.
Arach and 2fcr rings allow 10 frame tele which is fast enough in most cases.
Mike
Imbecile
20-03-2006, 15:00
so.. i'have been thinking to make bvc barb.. now i'm wearig:
-arreats
-eni / forti (agains barbs)
-draculs
-gore
-verdungo 36/15
-highlord's
-grief ba 38/355 (quite low..)
-stormshield (socket by 40% ed jewel)
-10 fcr ring (with some res and mana)
-20/204 raven frost
this eq have been working quite good agains barbs, palas, assas but druids and some sorcs are still quite hard to kill.. should i sell my forti and buy second grief?
or just something else? there is so few good barbs that i could duel (i mostly kill them quite easy) so i want to make bvc. :grin: so please help me with this problem.. :afro:
Actually Forti rocks vs. other than barbs:
Fohs
Mages
Hammers
Druids
Smiters
morotsjos
20-03-2006, 15:11
Actually Forti rocks vs. other than barbs:
Fohs
Mages
Hammers
Druids
Smiters
lies!!111 fort is baaad vs anything that smites, the 45% frw from enigma really makes a difference in avoiding their annoying teleporting =/
Imbecile
20-03-2006, 15:19
lies!!111 fort is baaad vs anything that smites, the 45% frw from enigma really makes a difference in avoiding their annoying teleporting =/
RUN MORE WEAK BABAZON !!!111
morotsjos
20-03-2006, 15:23
RUN MORE WEAK BABAZON !!!111
did you know anyone who had that circlet or why this urgent PM:ing?
mainaman
20-03-2006, 15:52
ok.. so arach would be better than verdungo? then i will get one.. hmm.. so dual axe would be good? hmm.. can u tell me why barb needs to leap when duel with caster? can i jump over those spells or what? i dont really understand that.. :P
no you will need verdungo against smiters/druids/hammerdins/barbs ...
no you will need verdungo against smiters/druids/hammerdins/barbs ...
Not necessary, unless you do not have Coa BerBer or you just insist on having Max Dr%. I've beaten most of the smiters/hammerdins/druids without Max Dr%. If you think about the +vita, it's pretty useless, at max it's a +160 life.
mainaman
20-03-2006, 22:43
Not necessary, unless you do not have Coa BerBer or you just insist on having Max Dr%. I've beaten most of the smiters/hammerdins/druids without Max Dr%. If you think about the +vita, it's pretty useless, at max it's a +160 life. im generally speaking i don't even use coa unless totally necessary
most i do is put on 2 angelics +amulet ar is what basically does the job for me against palys.against druid well if he is well built then coa+ dungo saves the ***. If there is a way to duel good druid without 50 dr im yet to find it :) otherwise against general pub druid dungo is just fine
If you insist on using a belt other than arachs vs druids, use string for the ll on his minions.
morotsjos
21-03-2006, 00:45
If you insist on using a belt other than arachs vs druids, use string for the ll on his minions.
where is the stash space for that? or you carry extra mule around into all duelgames? ^^
I have 5 extra spots in my inven!
Imbecile
21-03-2006, 00:56
where is the stash space for that? or you carry extra mule around into all duelgames? ^^
I like my 20% pdr 5 ll belt better :prop:
Got Viper Eye for 1 soj :D
morotsjos
21-03-2006, 01:11
I have 5 extra spots in my inven!
cheat!!!!1111
morotsjos
21-03-2006, 01:17
I like my 20% pdr 5 ll belt better :prop:
Got Viper Eye for 1 soj :D
WTF 1 soj? where u trade and when can u get me a circlet?
wtf, damn europe dupes that only europe people know about... :p
ps morot, all you have to do is sacrifice that space you have for dlimb - grief switch
to enchant just use doom/dlimb on you, with widow/doom in stash ;\
ok. now i got barb 82 lvl.. str like 100 too much. ;D it wans't my plan to make this a bvc chara when i made it so i made as much str as i needed.. now eni givs me 66 too much.. :S my dext is enough for max block (had shield) so about 175 i think) then my vita is about 300.. should i make new barb and make lots of vita and just little str and dext..?
btw now i'm using:
-grief
-hoto (nice fcr and more res)
-eni
-arreat's
-arach
-2 x fcr ring with res and mana / life
-dracul's
-gore
(going to buy widow, but haven't seen any1 selling yet.. :S)
wtf, damn europe dupes that only europe people know about... :p
ps morot, all you have to do is sacrifice that space you have for dlimb - grief switch
to enchant just use doom/dlimb on you, with widow/doom in stash ;\
youre trying to teach matias what to keep in stash?
rofl? ><
morotsjos
21-03-2006, 17:00
wtf, damn europe dupes that only europe people know about... :p
ps morot, all you have to do is sacrifice that space you have for dlimb - grief switch
to enchant just use doom/dlimb on you, with widow/doom in stash ;\
i dont get it lol. sry for being slow today - how can you save space by having doom+widow in stash instead of limb+widow?
OffByOne
21-03-2006, 19:43
ok. now i got barb 82 lvl.. str like 100 too much. ;D it wans't my plan to make this a bvc chara when i made it so i made as much str as i needed.. now eni givs me 66 too much.. :S my dext is enough for max block (had shield) so about 175 i think) then my vita is about 300.. should i make new barb and make lots of vita and just little str and dext..?
btw now i'm using:
-grief
-hoto (nice fcr and more res)
-eni
-arreat's
-arach
-2 x fcr ring with res and mana / life
-dracul's
-gore
(going to buy widow, but haven't seen any1 selling yet.. :S)
This is what i use on my BvC barb:
helm:berber coa/arreats
weps:griefz/beastz or beastz/doomz (for smiters)
armor:bp enig
belt:arach
gloves:dracs
boots:frw fhr res boots
rings:2x ravens or angelic rings and ammy
ammy:angelic ammy or highlords
charms: anni, barb torch, 7x 5fhr scs, 5 life/ar/max scs,some life/ar/max gcs, and some 20 life scs/18-19 life scs
skills:
max:
ww
leap
axe mastery
bo
5-6 Inc speed
3-5 Nat res
Rest shout
stats:
str: enough to get coa on (not base, this includes str from nigma beast, torch and anni)
dex: NONE
vita: rest goes here!!
energy: NONE
TheBe: i reccommend that you remake your barb asap you have some pts that are not needed in dex and str:grin:
ok. i actually already made new barb before i asked should i. :D i though it would be good. thanks for ur bvc information. that was what i really needed. :)
btw now i got 13 x 100 p dmg sc.. should i sell them and buy few bo sk or life scs?
btw now i got 13 x 100 p dmg sc.. should i sell them and buy few bo sk or life scs?
psn in inventry sucks change them and try to get charms with life/ ar and if u can afford maxdmg/ar/life
are barbarian skillers waste of runes? or are they any usefull? i think they are pretty cheap so... or is it better to buy just life/ar/dmg sc's?
hmm. but what kind of skills for bvc? i know i will max bo, ww, mastery.. but what then? few to shout and 1 to bc.. but what then? leap? and how much leap i have to take?
are barbarian skillers waste of runes? or are they any usefull? i think they are pretty cheap so... or is it better to buy just life/ar/dmg sc's?
skillers are a waste of space as well a bvc invenetry usally looks something like this;
4 fhr scs
torch anni
rest is scs with life or max dmg/ar/life sc or lc and ar/life scs
morotsjos
22-03-2006, 20:36
ok thanks. :)
poor mans options might be max/ar/life gcs and ar/life gcs. in fact they aren't bad at all, you lose some life but gain ar and damage (or huge ar without damage). a few wc-skillers with life can be mixed in as well if you can get them for a decent price.
poor mans options might be max/ar/life gcs and ar/life gcs. in fact they aren't bad at all, you lose some life but gain ar and damage (or huge ar without damage). a few wc-skillers with life can be mixed in as well if you can get them for a decent price.
NO. 6 Poison damage GCs are the ONLY way to go.
morotsjos
22-03-2006, 20:58
NO. 6 Poison damage GCs are the ONLY way to go.
omg no psn screws up deadly strike u boon!!!111
No noob.. those are fire damage GCs......... duh..?
Romper Stomper
23-03-2006, 07:12
Turns out you actually need 5x FHR sc's to get past 48%... apparently 5%FHR SC's only give you 4% more FHR. Havn't seen any real proof of this but a lot of reputable people are saying this on .. some other forums ..
ANYWAYS..
How to beat a (supposedly godly) smiter who has barb shout with a barb http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3460345
morotsjos
23-03-2006, 12:51
Turns out you actually need 5x FHR sc's to get past 48%... apparently 5%FHR SC's only give you 4% more FHR. Havn't seen any real proof of this but a lot of reputable people are saying this on .. some other forums ..
ANYWAYS..
How to beat a (supposedly godly) smiter who has barb shout with a barb http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3460345
why dont you try it? personally i noticed a difference when i started using 4 fhr scs. perhaps i'm wrong though, will do a more extensive test next time i pub by adding one sc.
Imbecile
23-03-2006, 13:34
why dont you try it? personally i noticed a difference when i started using 4 fhr scs. perhaps i'm wrong though, will do a more extensive test next time i pub by adding one sc.
See? Because you joked about 2 x 11lr/5fhr scs + 1 x 73ar/8 fhr lc, is bugged and doesn't reach 48 fhr bp, it may be true..... I hate you :cry:
See? Because you joked about 2 x 11lr/5fhr scs + 1 x 73ar/8 fhr lc, is bugged and doesn't reach 48 fhr bp, it may be true..... I hate you :cry:
what u mean by bugged??
it should work rite :shocked:
Imbecile
23-03-2006, 18:44
what u mean by bugged??
it should work rite :shocked:
Look at Romper Stomper's post.
ooh we may have to do some testing with this
Imbecile
23-03-2006, 19:03
ooh we may have to do some testing with this
Yeah, I'm really interested in the real fhr-bp, or maybe it's just a myth.....
Yeah, I'm really interested in the real fhr-bp, or maybe it's just a myth.....
well i know one thing for sure is that i seen a difference addign those 3 more charms as i only originally had 1.
hmm.. so my question i still. what kind of eq for my bvc barb? :grin: now i'm going to use:
-arreat
-grief ba (36/355)
-grief ba (39/364)
-highlord's (also got angelic amu + rings)
-dracul's
-gore
-arach
-eni (breast plate)
- 2 x fcr rings with some mana/life/res/ar (also got raven frost 204/20)
so.. i'm not sure about eni.. i like low str req, but def is quite low (840 i think).. should i buy new with higher def? :scratch:
mainaman
23-03-2006, 20:49
hmm.. so my question i still. what kind of eq for my bvc barb? :grin: now i'm going to use:
-arreat
-grief ba (36/355)
-grief ba (39/364)
-highlord's (also got angelic amu + rings)
-dracul's
-gore
-arach
-eni (breast plate)
- 2 x fcr rings with some mana/life/res/ar (also got raven frost 204/20)
so.. i'm not sure about eni.. i like low str req, but def is quite low (840 i think).. should i buy new with higher def? :scratch:
weaps = beast ba+grief ba
use mage plate enigma it will get you 11-12 k def (although bp will get you to 10k+)
also make sure you have angelic set in stash/dungo /ber ber COA/widowmaker(heled) /dlimb for enchant
morotsjos
23-03-2006, 20:52
well i know one thing for sure is that i seen a difference addign those 3 more charms as i only originally had 1.
same here. will perform more testing later.
Imbecile
23-03-2006, 20:56
same here. will perform more testing later.
I don't see the difference between 50 or 55fhr, Sic and I tested it against an assasin with 174+ fcr mbing constantly, it' still possible to easily leap ww, without getting interupted, with both 50 and 55 fhr.....
morotsjos
23-03-2006, 21:52
I don't see the difference between 50 or 55fhr, Sic and I tested it against an assasin with 174+ fcr mbing constantly, it' still possible to easily leap ww, without getting interupted, with both 50 and 55 fhr.....
please test with that assa + general pubbing with 45 and 50 fhr, i dont have time right now or i'd do it myself. my guess is that you'll see a noticeable difference. i did earlier today and i want to confirm that it's not just my imagination.
mainaman
23-03-2006, 22:33
i use shaeled arreat and recently decided to add 4x 5fhr/res sc in inventory
and really i can say there is difference ( even though i dont reach next fhr break point) still its easier for me to recover from mb for example
That's all in your head. ;)
Zangetsu
24-03-2006, 04:20
U have to concentrate and stare at the screen real close and time the differences of recovery with a stop watch and u will be able to find the difference.
morotsjos
24-03-2006, 04:57
U have to concentrate and stare at the screen real close and time the differences of recovery with a stop watch and u will be able to find the difference.
rofl. .
So what are you all really saying, that 48% is not working correctly but hitting 50% corrects it? or is it 55% now? LOL.
On cc-comp people are saying [a lot of people are, actually] that 5 FHR on scs only works as though it's 4 FHR, meaning if you need 21 FHR to hit whatever BP, you'd need SIX 5 FHR SCs isntead of FIVE. 5 x 4fhr scs = 20, 6 x 4fhr scs = 24.
mainaman
24-03-2006, 06:08
U have to concentrate and stare at the screen real close and time the differences of recovery with a stop watch and u will be able to find the difference.
im not sayin im tryin tosee the difference in the animation. I'm talkin about the speed with which my char recovers from hits --it seems alil faster ...
i got the xtra fhr charms 2 days ago and def i can feel the diference
RetroStar
24-03-2006, 06:19
On cc-comp people are saying [a lot of people are, actually] that 5 FHR on scs only works as though it's 4 FHR, meaning if you need 21 FHR to hit whatever BP, you'd need SIX 5 FHR SCs isntead of FIVE. 5 x 4fhr scs = 20, 6 x 4fhr scs = 24.
That was like a .09 rumour or something. I still remember that. Though it's not true.
That was like a .09 rumour or something. I still remember that. Though it's not true.
They're still saying it. :\
morotsjos
24-03-2006, 13:30
They're still saying it. :\
yes yes, i've heard it numerous times @ jsp as well. always by total ignorants too, thats why i'm surprised that you and mike mentioned it. i'm 99.8532% sure it's false. as RetroStar said, this has been around for a looooooooooooong time. you play barb yourself, just try pubbing a bit with 3 fhr scs, then using 4 and see if you notice any difference so you can flame the cc-comp liars. i know of a few people who post there who are supposed to know their stuff but still claim that druids with maxblock cant get more than 5.5k life rofl.
You said you put a 40/15 in your shield but as i recall the barb had a bug were he got no other ias from his shield. Might want to check that out and put a bur or somthing in it.
As Luder said when we did testing we tried different mb breakpoints, 65% was the first then we moved up to 175% which is the last breakpoint for the fastest Mb and leap still worked well with both amounts of fhr.
But i think a good test would be with a high fcr sorc or something as they can spam out huge amounts of fireballs and, i remeber one time i did not have hardly any fcr and i was nearly spammed to death.
I think a test like this could be usefull.
RetroStar
25-03-2006, 01:47
You said you put a 40/15 in your shield but as i recall the barb had a bug were he got no other ias from his shield. Might want to check that out and put a bur or somthing in it.
That is for edmg/max or min jewels. They are bugged if you put them in any armour. edmg/ias works perfectly fine.
Also you won't need ias on your shield since WW doesn't use off-weapon IAS. You might have edmg/ias on helm for zerking though.
This is what i use on my BvC barb:
helm:berber coa/arreats
weps:griefz/beastz or beastz/doomz (for smiters)
armor:bp enig
belt:arach
gloves:dracs
boots:frw fhr res boots
rings:2x ravens or angelic rings and ammy
ammy:angelic ammy or highlords
charms: anni, barb torch, 7x 5fhr scs, 5 life/ar/max scs,some life/ar/max gcs, and some 20 life scs/18-19 life scs
skills:
max:
ww
leap
axe mastery
bo
5-6 Inc speed
3-5 Nat res
Rest shout
stats:
str: enough to get coa on (not base, this includes str from nigma beast, torch and anni)
dex: NONE
vita: rest goes here!!
energy: NONE
TheBe: i reccommend that you remake your barb asap you have some pts that are not needed in dex and str:grin:
no dex? how are you gonna throw on a widow when you need one.
..trust me, you will need one
Barbs that go base dex can use 2x Ravens and Highlords/metagrid, but it's not nearly as good as the angelic set in terms of going against a high def pally.
so how much fhr should i take then? :tongue:
no dex? how are you gonna throw on a widow when you need one.
..trust me, you will need one
u can but u need a held widow plus 2 perf dex ravens and arreat plus a high stat torch and anni
EDIT
well fhr wise u should aim for 48% fhr so this means using 4* 5% fhr scs combines with the fhr on ur gear i.e arreat, CoA.
Although we are having a debate on how much we really need as ppl are claiming that u need 5 instead of 4 etc.
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