cold sorc is to weak??

[roguearthur]

well, i have my cold sorc/lighting and i got.. frozen orb at.. like 22 and cold mastery at 22, and i only do 300, i cant even kill normal baal, without having like 3 mana potions and i got... 80 energy cause of items :/...would doing ice whatever and doign that syngery really help..enough to even be able to kill nm bosses? i cant even kill those i dont think -_-

and btw, with lidelss on ( i think i should use that..) is about perfect block like how much dex? i wanna start spending skill points im level 80 :P

oh yea, even if i max out the 1 synergy..i'd do...456 damage max if all my cold skills were at 22 :/

great, i found out it only does like that much.. so i guess im relying on chain lighting to do 1-1700 damage, and i wont even get that much since i messed up alittle in skill tree :/

[Evrae Altana]

and btw, with lidelss on ( i think i should use that..) is about perfect block like how much dex? i wanna start spending skill points im level 80 :PForget about getting max block with a Lidless. You'll have to dump almost all of your stat points in there if you want to get max block with Lidless.
As for your damage, what is your gear? Sounds like you need some +skill items.

[jackthelad]

Well my meterober does 477-500 FO dmg w/ lvl30 orb & lvl20 CM after +skills & she can kill just fine in hell with it. I only have 98 NRG @ lvl91 so Im not really sure where your going wrong.... NM should be a walk in the park with that dmg, especially as you've got a lot of points in CM.... you only really need 5-10 in CM for it to be effective, after that you get diminishing returns anyway.

[roguearthur]

yea, i unno whats wrong..yeah my equipment is the worst thing ever, but how does taht matter when im casting spells, yea i die fast but thats the point, i see people that do runs and own guys in like 1 cast in nm :/ but yea, my equips are
Gull, some random green shield with 20% mf, peasants cap, some random 1 to all skills armor(looks like quilted but its a higher up version) a starting game belt thats eth and its got 0 durabilty (LOL!) 2 mf rings and a mf ammy, and 5 mf charms :D haha i wanna trade the mf charms or anyhting for tals set, but i know i couldnt get it with only 5 mf chamrs :(

[jackthelad]

Well I dont know wot realm you are but tal/mask/belt together shouldnt cost you more than 10pgs, depending on stats. Those 3 together will give you a few decent bonuses, try & find them & equip them, swap your ammy for any +skills ammy, armor is ok but try to get vipermagi (again, a low one shouldnt be more than a few pgs) a whitstans shield is only a few pgs too & has best blocking in the game. Even naked tho, with FO & CM at those lvls you should be owning everything in norma! :wink3:

[roguearthur]

10pgs? and i cant find these items, and i have nothing to trade for them, thats why my gear is bad.. so thats why im wondering if i can get any tal stuff with 5mf charms, specially armor and whatever else.. so ican get the mf bonus..

oh yea, btw whats the best mf % to have? it used to be around 900 but i forget and im on USwest non-ladder

[jackthelad]

How many 5mf sc's u got? 1 should get you tal mask & belt, one should get u a low orb. 1 5mf sc should get u either a pair of magefists/frosties, a whitstans, a low viper, pretty much all you'll need. 3 tal items will get u the 65% mf bonus.
I have ~600 mf, but thats with pretty high end mf gear, 300-400 should be more than enough to farm hell andy/meph without too much trouble. As much mf as u can without sacrificing killing speed.

[roguearthur]

..no i got 7%mf sc, 5 of them. :D:D but i tried selling like 5 people were like OMG i got to many and left :( hard to find traders nowaday..
but wouldnt tal be the best killing set too? i mean people use occy but isnt tal better if its the full set? :/

[jackthelad]

For fire/cold tals is best, not so sure for cold/lightning but I think tals is best for any duel elementalist, yes.
A 7mf sc is worth ~pul here on europe ladder, so 1 mf sc should get u a tal belt/ammu/orb + a low viper!
Try trading on the forums here, you might get enough for most of your equip.

[corazo]

ya just trade one of those charms for a pul, then see if you can get 40 pgems for your pul. With that many pgems you can trade for almost all of the gear you'll need to mf in hell. I don't know what things are worth on NL, but it's probably close to ladder prices at least.

[AnimeCraze]

300 damage, per spike! Learn how to aim your orb better. If you can get Baal to be hit by 10~15 spikes, he dies rather fast.

[roguearthur]

na, i doubt people want gems :( i mean they do but not 40 gems for tal stuff :P
but no, 1 mf is so not worth all that tal stuff 1 mf is worth like 1 equipment part :P people dont think so but it is :(

[roguearthur]

hmmm i can get 3 to hit..i think or maybe more? i unno how to aim it so baal is bigger..since obviously spikes hit what they hit and hes not that big, cause the spikes have gaps between them :P

[AnimeCraze]

na, i doubt people want gems :( i mean they do but not 40 gems for tal stuff :P
but no, 1 mf is so not worth all that tal stuff 1 mf is worth like 1 equipment part :P people dont think so but it is :(The easier to get parts are worth 5 pgems each or so. The ammy is ~um and armor ~ist+ on west, at least ladder anyways.

For aiming orb, you want where the orb explode to be directly on top of your target (ie. Baal). You can easily get 10+ to hit a large target like him. Anyways, just tested norm Baal, and it took me 6 orbs, at lvl 22 orb and lvl 8 CM. I did not use static or any +damage/-resist items. Merc didn't do anything since I removed his insight as well. Not all of the orbs passed through him neither.

Edit: Nevermind, you are on NL. Anyways, if that's the quality of stuff you have on NL, go to ladder instead. You can have spirit and insight, which lets you abuse all your spells.

[Dawnmaster]

na, i doubt people want gems :( i mean they do but not 40 gems for tal stuff :P
but no, 1 mf is so not worth all that tal stuff 1 mf is worth like 1 equipment part :P people dont think so but it is :(

Lots of people want lots of gems, trust me :wink3:

hmmm i can get 3 to hit..i think or maybe more? i unno how to aim it so baal is bigger..since obviously spikes hit what they hit and hes not that big, cause the spikes have gaps between them :P

There is a simple trick to maximize your orb's damage.

When you cast it, you see a big white ball surrounded by flying white spikes in all directions. After a few seconds, the ball explodes into loads of spikes.

The trick is to cast the orb in such way, that the ball passes right through your opponent/enemy/monster/creep/boss that it explodes when it's right in the middle of it. That way the target gets hit by (eg) 20 spikes at once.

If you try a bit with lower enemies, target practicing, you'll see that it isn't that difficult and you'll see a huge difference in killing speed.

EDIT: also, this is a nice way to keep your distance from your enemies, a more offensive way of playing defensive (my style) so you shouldn't worry too much about a bad ES, res, blocking etc

[AnimeCraze]

There is a simple trick to maximize your orb's damage.

When you cast it, you see a big white ball surrounded by flying white spikes in all directions. After a few seconds, the ball explodes into loads of spikes.

The trick is to cast the orb in such way, that the ball passes right through your opponent/enemy/monster/creep/boss that it explodes when it's right in the middle of it. That way the target gets hit by (eg) 20 spikes at once.

If you try a bit with lower enemies, target practicing, you'll see that it isn't that difficult and you'll see a huge difference in killing speed.I know hell Lister goes down real fast if I do that, especially after I use glacial spike to freeze them so they stay in that same spot. :tongue: (also helps my insight merc to survive) I don't do this to Baal normally since I can meteor him, especially if he doesn't move.

[roguearthur]

wtf is spirit and insight? and i think i might make a ladder char, i unno i would like them all to be the same though :(

[Kijya]

wtf is spirit and insight? and i think i might make a ladder char, i unno i would like them all to be the same though :( Runewords only possible to make on Ladder or in modded single player.

Spirit
4 Socket Swords/Shields
Tal + Thul + Ort + Amn

In Swords:
+2 To All Skills
+25-35% Faster Cast Rate (varies)
+55% Faster Hit Recovery
Adds 1-50 Lightning Damage
Adds 3-14 Cold Damage 3 Second Duration (Normal)
+75 Poison Damage Over 5 Seconds
7% Life Stolen Per Hit
+250 Defense Vs. Missile
+22 To Vitality
+89-112 To Mana (varies)
+3-8 Magic Absorb (varies)

In shields:
+2 To All Skills
+25-35% Faster Cast Rate (varies)
+55% Faster Hit Recovery
+250 Defense Vs. Missile
+22 To Vitality
+89-112 To Mana (varies)
Cold Resist +35%
Lightning Resist +35%
Poison Resist +35%
+3-8 Magic Absorb (varies)
Attacker Takes Damage of 14

Insight
4 Socket Polearms/Staves
Ral + Tir + Tal + Sol

Level 10-17 Meditation Aura When Equipped (varies)
+35% Faster Cast Rate
+200-260% Enhanced Damage (varies)
+9 To Minimum Damage
180-250% Bonus to Attack Rating (varies)
Adds 5-30 Fire Damage
+75 Poison Damage Over 5 Seconds
+1-6 To Critical Strike (varies)
+5 To All Attributes
+2 To Mana After Each Kill
23% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items