Summoner in town

[BreaKPoiNT]

I'm sure you've all seen the SUmmoner that sits in town and spawns a grizzly. What's the build for that and equipment because me and my friend are going to both make one and have a bear duel. any ideas to max the damage of my bear. Thanks.

[inanefedaykin]

Hoto/spirit
Enigma (or any +2 skills armor, I just like enigma)
+3 summon +3 grizzly +3 dire wolf helmet
2xsoj
+3 summon ammy
arachs
bo stick/spirit on switch
9xsummon skillers
anni
torch

I'm probably forgetting something but w/e.

[stoutewolf]

faith bow on switch instead ;)

[stoutewolf]

maybe bramble as armor?

[BreaKPoiNT]

Well I've seen druids grizzly making smiters cry so I wanted to be able to make one.

Hoto/spirit
Enigma (or any +2 skills armor, I just like enigma)
+3 summon +3 grizzly +3 dire wolf helmet
2xsoj
+3 summon ammy
arachs
bo stick/spirit on switch
9xsummon skillers
anni
torch

I have that but what about skills and stats. And also would this be close to 1 hit KO?

[ToThePoint]

they dont make anyone 'cry' unless they are a low def char thats unprepared.
A smiter can probably go afk for a few mins before the bear hits.

[BreaKPoiNT]

they dont make anyone 'cry' unless they are a low def char thats unprepared.
A smiter can probably go afk for a few mins before the bear hits.

I've seen fully decked smiters get killed in 2 hits by a grizz

[ToThePoint]

one with holyshield activated?
maybe i need to rebuild instead of just converting an old char so mine has only low lvl 3x spirit wolf. hmmz

[gorash]

I've seen fully decked smiters get killed in 2 hits by a grizz

no chance a gris can hit a smiter/hammerdin with holy shield activated. they're def is just too high as well not to mention high hit points too.

[BreaKPoiNT]

Nah he didn't have HS activated but the thing is I dont plan to duel many smiters, just casters and assassins. I know if it was a zon, sorc, or low def melee druid or necro it would 1-2 hit KO am I right?

Skills would be Max spirit and dire wolf, Max HoW, Max Grizz, Max Oak possibly, anything else?

[gorash]

bears can't kill sorcs so easily unless they do something stupid. sorcs take out bears np even to a avg dueler no matter what element it is.
CS/psn zons also wont have a problem taking out grizz

[BreaKPoiNT]

So what would it be good against then?

[ToThePoint]

So what would it be good against then?
stupid people and noobs basically^^
ps for anyone on europe i killed masterchens sorc using one of these :)

[BreaKPoiNT]

What did you use and what was your skills, it should be fun to toy with newbs and careless duelers.

[ToThePoint]

What did you use and what was your skills, it should be fun to toy with newbs and careless duelers.
basically the gear you listed with beast on switch sometimes.
although id rather go for the ar synergy than the life one due to the difficulty hitting chars.
life isn't important as you can recast and more life = more leech for 'opponents'.
Basically kill them when they are unaware or trash talking you.
fun in small doses.
Make sure you have plenty of mana and/or pots too.

[inanefedaykin]

Teleport on top of the fools and you're almost guarenteed a hit against non super def chars.

[ToThePoint]

Teleport on top of the fools and you're almost guarenteed a hit against non super def chars.
hard to do that sitting in town

[Valvolux]

Don't give Summoners a bad name by playing a town sitter...that’s just lame. Oh and to the ppl that don't think Grizzly can hit high def opponents, 28k AR grizzly does fine thanks.

[pipi-owner]

actually if u REALLY wanna kill.. and see who the noobs are.. and beat high def smiters.. (lets be honest.. a good smiter beats a great w/e most of the time).. then use BRAMBLE!

i used it and ALL the smiters died in 1 hit..they think they're so strong but its useless on the thorned aura summon....

and you dont really need the enigma.. if your bear can/cant kill them then the extra 2+ skill wont help much.. but thorns aura would make all the difference to melees

cheers
PpZ

[Valvolux]

Without tele you're as good as dead, what’s to stop ppl just attacking you and not grizzly when using 'Bramble'? nothing. At least with 'Enigma' you can have minion stack and more speed/positioning of minions (your weapon). Also if you're dueling casters what good is thorns?

[pipi-owner]

ok im gona disregard your msg cus obviously you didnt read the topic title..
PLEASE read the topic title and then post.. otherwise your posts are just as good as ... wel you know...

cheers
PpZ

[Valvolux]

Hey if you want to spam bears from town like some 2 weeker that’s your business, just thought it was stupid. If you want to actually duel then great, but spamming bears to ruin ppls duels and nk ppl by "accident" just makes you look like a prick.

[nickedoff]

Well I've seen druids grizzly making smiters cry so I wanted to be able to make one.
This is what we need, another BM kid to sit inside town and pretend he's good.

Don't whine when someone Howls, Holyfreezes, mindblasts, psychic hammers, Attracts, Decrepifies, Iron Maidens, Death Wards your bear everytime you try to summon one.

[pipi-owner]

lol.. AGAIN.. stay with the topic guys.. i mean its there for a reason.. wouldnt you be pissed if you wanted to know something.. posted a thread with specific title and then people comes in and flames crap at your thoughts?

aint here to judge BM or not.. here to help wit the topic

he didnt say DUEL CASTERS ONLY.. and summoner with pimped out gear with max +skills and charms etc is DEFINITLY NOT gonna win against any casters lol (unless they lvl 8.. or sumfin) even with enigma like you claim and tele around pretending he's sorc.. or wat not..
the time that it takes your bear to WALK over to the enermy you've been hit about 10 times.. ... and if you wanna tele on them? ok what sorta caster DONT tele away when your close.. and if its melee then no point teleing on them is dere....

lol.... the only REALISTIC way a summoner can kill in pubbies (sure u guys mite call it bm.. ruining a duellin game.. what lets again be realistic.. smiter ruins most of the zealot/fury games) if to stay in town.. wear BRAMBLE.. and dmg-return those shield-bashin cheats to their own death..

you know its tru

cheers
PpZ

[emar]

lol.. AGAIN.. stay with the topic guys.. i mean its there for a reason.. wouldnt you be pissed if you wanted to know something.. posted a thread with specific title and then people comes in and flames crap at your thoughts?

aint here to judge BM or not.. here to help wit the topic

he didnt say DUEL CASTERS ONLY.. and summoner with pimped out gear with max +skills and charms etc is DEFINITLY NOT gonna win against any casters lol (unless they lvl 8.. or sumfin) even with enigma like you claim and tele around pretending he's sorc.. or wat not..
the time that it takes your bear to WALK over to the enermy you've been hit about 10 times.. ... and if you wanna tele on them? ok what sorta caster DONT tele away when your close.. and if its melee then no point teleing on them is dere....

lol.... the only REALISTIC way a summoner can kill in pubbies (sure u guys mite call it bm.. ruining a duellin game.. what lets again be realistic.. smiter ruins most of the zealot/fury games) if to stay in town.. wear BRAMBLE.. and dmg-return those shield-bashin cheats to their own death..

you know its tru

cheers
PpZ

I believe the original topic was "What to gear my druid up with so that my friend and I may bear duel from town." Was it not?

Humm... And I have to say I don't agree with the majority of what you say. On an aside dueling at lvl 8 is relatively difficult :wink3:

The point of Enigma and tele is to land on top of the caster. Not wait until the bear marches over there and you get hit 10 times. And believe it or not, teleing on top of casters is fairly easy. I duel with a pure warcry barb (no merc) and it works well on sorcs. If you have ever observed warcry you'll notice it is a relatively small radius and you have to land real close by. The goal with a tele summoner is to do the same. And yes, as I'm sure people will point out, they can tele away. The goal is to put them into FHR mode so that the bear may hit - spam them with ravens, twisters, shockwave (if you are the bear). Bramble may be viable as an armor for summons (it works well with them necs) because of the thorns bonus, but you really REALLY need to stack the summon on top of your opponent to land a hit- this is accomplished with teleport.

Dueling melee takes a similar approach and some gear modifications depending how you are set up. Will you win every duel with a summoner? No, of course not - no one does. You will get killed and you will kill. There are some classes that will be easier than others. The fun is in playing with a non-standard character.

Spawning a bear out of town, while guarding the bridge is silly. Building a summon druid is cheap, anyone can do it- you can get the 30+ life Skiller GCs and fhr Skiller Gcs for so cheap. Winning duels with them takes skill and practice. Is there honestly any fun in dueling from town?


To answer the original post (though it already has gotten tons of input)

There are some things that need to be considered if you are dueling out of town, namely FCR/ FHR BPs.
9xSummon Gcs
Anni
Torch
Hoto
Delirium to summon bear / Jalals- Shako - Rare circlet (Matter of Preference)
Enigma
Spirit / SS
CTA (prebuff)
Arach
2x SoJ or FCR rings for duels
Prebuff ammy (+3), A druid caster ammy or Mara's
Beast is always a nice boost for the bear
If you are using a merc:
Pride / Might / Bramble Merc

[nickedoff]

DEFINITLY NOT gonna win against any casters lol (unless they lvl 8.. or sumfin)
When people exit town for the first time, and subsequent times (at least, I do) they lag.
A sorceress cannot tele when they lag.
Most sorcs don't have anything higher than 1.5k life.

That's a one hit for your bear, and NKs following

I'm sure you have your TK ring at the ready.

[Valvolux]

You’ve shown how little you know about dueling with a summoner pipi, if you’re on west PM me for a duel, we’ll see how long your caster lasts vs. a 10k minion stack tele summoner.


aint here to judge BM or not...here to help wit the topic

You're right we shouldn't have any morals, if one thing Bnet needs more of its annoying mindless pricks.

[Darkstorm]

to be lame, and kill any meleers, or even any 1 at all (if u town guard) apply shockwave while in bear form while your bear takes his to time to come up 2 the guy and hit him.

[emar]

to be lame, and kill any meleers, or even any 1 at all (if u town guard) apply shockwave while in bear form while your bear takes his to time to come up 2 the guy and hit him.

I don't believe this is entirely effective anymore. I thought Blizzard changed shockwave in .10 or .11 or something, to reduce the length/stun, I forget. The problem with this is that many melee duelers sport some pretty decent FHR. Shockwave will be ineffective if they can still advance and smack you around. Druids also have some wacky FCR BPs in Bear form that will slow the cast rate considerably.

The problem while in bear form, will be escaping. You need to untransform to tele away.... I've dueled with this type of druid before (long ago) and it has some real limitations, especially if the skill has been nerfed.

[Valvolux]

Shockwave hasn't really changed in 1.10+, tho shockbears are a lot tougher to play due to everyone having teleport and much higher life than 1.09. It can be effective against melee chars, tho it can be blocked and most melee chars have high fhr or uninterruptible attacks, i.e. jab, zeal, ww.

[pipi-owner]

haha... so the part where original post said "me and ma friend can duel from town" is NOT heard by any of you??

your trying to PERSUADE your personal opinions across by saying that dueling isnt fun if you just spam bear in town... which is obviously not the truest statement i've seen.. since you dont know wat goes on in other peoples mind...

the thing is.. im right.. lol.. specifically to this topic.. this post...
a guy asks for a duel in town with his mates.. and u get enigma and tel him to tele around OUTSIDE of town... he wants to duel his mates bear and u tell him to tele on top of casters and own them...

YES.. you CAN tele on top of em... but a TRUE summoner DONT have the points to put into tornado or twister or any of the stuff you said to put any1 into fhr... so its totally different to bars warcry...(yes iv made one.. and NO its not the same lol)

val- by saying that its just basically stupid on your part.. you want to DUEL me.. in hope to embarass me if you happen to win... and try to turn this whole thing off topic when u know that i'm right in what i say regards to this topic lol.. what your saying here just dont apply to this post.. yet your trying to force your personal opinions on to others.. thats not how you teach something..

there will be NO ESCAPING... y? cus the guy wanna stay in town.. ffs

you wanna be a mindless prick.. hey fine by me.. bnet aint ma life as it may be for you.. but you gota understand and learn that you cant control external environment... so y go on and say "bnet need more mindless pricks" with sarcasm? you wanna be a prick.. wel hey good on u.. you dont.. well good for bnet..

if i know so lil bout summoners.. then i would luv to c your smiter SMITE ma bear to death..or even better.. smite me to death..
but o wait.. you cant.. cus im in town?

you do w/e it takes to win in pubby.. since there IS no manners in pubbies.. any duel games on pubbie takes about 1min to start nking..flaming.. mama's jokes... gold taking etc... hey.. but thats life.. learn to live with it

BACK ONTO THE TOPIC NOW:
.. seeing the original poster probably had enough help.. i'm gonna stop with ma expertise... since im likely the only 1 that actually went along with his topic and gave advice instead of trying to sound like a brain but really its just ego and ballz talking..and tell him to tele onto casters... (you'd DIE in 1 hit.. summoners only have summons not cyc armor etc...) or even melee...

cheers
PpZ

[ToThePoint]

BACK ONTO THE TOPIC NOW:
.. seeing the original poster probably had enough help.. i'm gonna stop with ma expertise... since im likely the only 1 that actually went along with his topic and gave advice instead of trying to sound like a brain but really its just ego and ballz talking..and tell him to tele onto casters... (you'd DIE in 1 hit.. summoners only have summons not cyc armor etc...) or even melee...

cheers
PpZ
yeah so valvolux didn't read the point of the post but then you obviously didn't read anyone elses posts as this topic was basically over 1hour and 20mins after the thread was started and not 4 days later when da godlleh pipimeister posted.

[emar]

Woah, what a post. Back up the bus just a 'lil.

1. People DID post concerning gear and they gave good solid advice, nice reading before posting. Good on you! :grin:
2. No one is trying to 'persuade' their opinions on you, or anyone else here for that matter. They are just stating what works and what doesn't-from experience. Tele works. Period.
3. Druids are one of the easiest characters to build because of the skill point distribution. Summoners can have points to spare. If you read the synergies you can easily determine which would be most beneficial in dueling and which would not. Just cause there are a few doesn't mean everything needs to be maxed. Also to illustrate the extra points, there are hyrbid builds which utilize the ele/summon tree effectively.

I have built a TRUE summoner before (non-hyrbid) and even then I was able to spare one point into cyclone. There are always extra points.

4. FHR mode can be achieved a number of ways. Ironically the ravens that happen to be on the same summon tree as the bear can work well. Wacky...

5. The 'tele' commentary was not directed at the OP, but rather other posters. :rolleyes:

6. BM begets BM. You start off being a jerk, people act like a jerk towards you. I have been in plenty of 'Pubby EAST' dueling games and many have been good mannered. Of course you get jerks, there's no denying that. However, you come into a game acting and talking trash like a 'n00b' expect to be treated like one.

7. No PVP character should die 1 hit to a caster. If that is happening to you, you should rebuild.

Alrighty, no more flames, nonsense or really poor grammar/spelling. Let's wrap this up folks.

[Valvolux]

haha... so the part where original post said "me and ma friend can duel from town" is NOT heard by any of you??

the thing is I dont plan to duel many smiters, just casters and assassins.

He can't be talking about pubbies then, cos 80% of pubby games are full of smiters.

the thing is.. im right.. lol.. specifically to this topic.. this post...he wants to duel his mates bear and u tell him to tele on top of casters and own them...

Well I've seen druids grizzly making smiters cry so I wanted to be able to make one.
and again..
the thing is I dont plan to duel many smiters, just casters and assassins.

Doesn't sound like he just wants to duel 'his mates bear' now does it? lol

YES.. you CAN tele on top of em... but a TRUE summoner DONT have the points to put into tornado or twister or any of the stuff you said to put any1 into fhr...

HoW, Grizzly (+pre req) hmm that’s 44 points...again just looks like you don't know what you're talking about pipi.

val- you want to DUEL me.. in hope to embarass me if you happen to win...

You do a fine job of embarrassing yourself pipi without me trying. :wink3:

i'm gonna stop with ma expertise...

We can only hope.

[mclarke]

Hmmm i reckon a lvl 52 bear is possible
+3 from hoto (they're might be a better one)
+5 (mb 6) from helm +3 bear helm 3 socs and delirium it (or look for +2 dru skills + 3 bear rare one, +6 MIGHT be possible)
+2 armour (theres loads of em)
+2 shield (spirit)
+2 for rings
+3 amu
+9 dru summon skillers
+3 dru torch
+1 anni
+1 from arach
gloves + boots cant help
+20 skill points (duh)
and 1 from cta battle command
Which equals the grand total of 52 (53 if +6 bear helm is possible)
GL :)

[ToThePoint]

Hmmm i reckon a lvl 52 bear is possible
+3 from hoto (they're might be a better one)
+5 (mb 6) from helm +3 bear helm 3 socs and delirium it (or look for +2 dru skills + 3 bear rare one, +6 MIGHT be possible)
+2 armour (theres loads of em)
+2 shield (spirit)
+2 for rings
+3 amu
+9 dru summon skillers
+3 dru torch
+1 anni
+1 from arach
gloves + boots cant help
+20 skill points (duh)
and 1 from cta battle command
Which equals the grand total of 52 (53 if +6 bear helm is possible)
GL :)
it is possible on magic helm 3 summon 3 bear
i use delerium personally though

[phool]

auras on equipped items don't work in town right? bramble wouldn't work unless you went outside... Easy to test just use a pala standing just inside town and have a party member standing just outside... can't check right now but 90% sure it won't work.

I've made a town-dwelling summoner to revenge myself on ppl who were bm. Was utterly lethal and had about 50/50 against a decent smiter, of course if the bear dies you can just resummon so the smiter doesn't really stand a chance. I didn't normally use him though, it's really not that fun unless you're particularly malicious, gear was cheap so no idea how summoners are in a REAL duel - I've yet to meet one.

[nickedoff]

The auras do work, Fanatacism and Bramble transfer just fine

+6 MIGHT be possible
+3 Druid Summoning (Zookeepers?) is possible

[phool]

The auras do work, Fanatacism and Bramble transfer just fine

I don't know if you're intentionally being misleading, didn't read my post or are just very arrogant, but I tested what I said. Auras on chars inside town will NOT transfer to minions outside of town. You can pile on beasts, prides and brambles, but if you're not prepared to leave town they will do absolutely nothing.

[ToThePoint]

I don't know if you're intentionally being misleading, didn't read my post or are just very arrogant, but I tested what I said. Auras on chars inside town will NOT transfer to minions outside of town. You can pile on beasts, prides and brambles, but if you're not prepared to leave town they will do absolutely nothing.
absolute rubbish, they transfer fine.
dont know if you being intentionally misleading, bothered testing or are just very arrogant but some people have already used these and they work from INSIDE town and thats a fact.

[phool]

I just tested this ^^

[ToThePoint]

I just tested this ^^
it doesn't work standing beside the stash if thats your test.:rolleyes:
if not then test properly.

[Valvolux]

nickedoff and ToThePoint are 100% correct phool. Auras do transfer to other chars/wolves/bear/merc/spirits if you're in town and they are outside town.

[mclarke]

out of idle curiousity did some get a lvl 50+ bear? im half way through making mine (@ lvl 75, using stuff like spirit sword etc) and im interested in the damage it says on the bear. For after a level 45 or so HoW and faith on switch this must surely = OUCH, although without the auras the damage is still fairly insane, i challenged this zon to a jab duel with my bear which was level 42 or so, with my 40 HoW out, she died 1 hit, she was not a happy bunny, in 1.09 i also had one of these where some1 said this "noob druid hack druid cheat druid" i laughed a lot at this, shame ive changed computer since and lost the screeny :(

[Flayed One]

ekhm... do I get it right?? lvl 50 bear does ~7k dmg, with fana from faith and HOW it's damage is x7, so dmg~49k? after pvp penalty, (1/6??) it's still ~8k dmg?? wow... it's enough to one hit kill lots of characters...

[Valvolux]

I level 53 Grizzly with lvl 53 HoW and 'Faith' Rogue will be doing an average of 14800ish damage before pvp penalty. Using items to achieve this skill level isn't practical to duel with though.

[mclarke]

i was interested at how much the bear did without any of the auras, as it says on the skill, mine reached around 4.5k at lvl 4x, so a 50 one would be interesting to hear damage of

[Valvolux]

Its around 8k without auras.

[JeffyZiggy]

use the edge runeword and bramble to make smiters cry lololol ezpk. for barbs use an iron maiden wand lololol ez, for casters ... party with a fissure druid

[tmd turka]

use the edge runeword and bramble to make smiters cry lololol ezpk. for barbs use an iron maiden wand lololol ez, for casters ... party with a fissure druid


Last I checked duel thorns wasnt enough to take down any char. Why not just stack spirit of the barbs with it as well. Ohh and a wand with amp in it would produce more damage then iron maiden.

[nickedoff]

Last I checked duel thorns wasnt enough to take down any char.
It is for smiters and some ww barbs.

Ohh and a wand with amp in it would produce more damage then iron maiden.
If you want to go outside ;)