shifters complaints...

[pipi-owner]

melee druids are.. well..sickening.. just the unfairness of it..(alright guys.. lets moan.. critic.. w/e.. about the lameness of pvp style of shiftters)

lets start with the werewolf:
-the ONLY good thing that makes a wwolf a + is the ar bonus.. (fury equalised by zeal..jab..kicks.. etc....)... but then REALLY.. WHO NEEDS 40~50K ar!!!!!!
...can sum1 please name another + for the shifter....
-higher life.. RIIIIITE.. a stupid summon orange thing floating volunteerily TOWARDS the enermy..no def...no boost of anythings apart from life..slow block speed...minimum weapon choice..

lets stop there for a second..n move on to the bear:
-OOH so you think u can hit fast at a constant 4fps!! wow.. whats the point if u miss 90% of the time with your close-to-none-pathetically-low AR!!
-def% bonus... WHAT IS THAT!.. like a childs version of iron skin? its soo low its almost.. no it IS sad..
-a supposily-stun maul attack that actually dont really stun in pvp...suppose to be like smiter with ar.. (Which if thats the case.. makes them ok) BUT ITS NOT!
-AGAIN..MINIMUM WEAPON CHOICE..
-bonus dmg%... whats the point when you can only choose weapons with such low dmg?!?
- elemnental melee dmg = fireclaw..oooh sooo strong (hmm actually it is :D).. but enchant sorc has shiver armor..energy shield to stop people from killing them.. zon has d/e/a and DONT MISS wit cs.. pally have SICK def.. speed.. dmg..res.. BARB dont even need elemental dmg to beat u...natural res..speed...and they suppose to be brothers?!!??!

lets stop.. im in tears..
i've made literally 9 druids...(yes all shifters..) 7 wolves...some remakes.. some hybrids..some pures..


the thing is..no druid skills makes em special or extra strong/fast/tanky/tricky/deceiving/ ....

only that after transformation.. they have more hair (haha shame barb).... clearer abs (yes.. on bear).. have longer finger nails.. a tail (hehe bear..)
which non of helps in pvp...

OUCH!

sorry about this.. but its just depressing that druids will ALWAYS be looked down upon.. unless something is changed.. which wont be..
feel free to add to this.. or tel me im wrong..

cheers
PpZ

[Minstrelboy]

Few added thoughts.

You can have easily ~35k ar in bear form too. Who needs more?:)

I succesfully managed to get over 23k def with my old mauler (no merc armor, no ribcracker, no buriza, no +def scs, prebuff with forti chilling armor and put up 3500 def prudence sacred). In melee i prefer slower but, higher damage weapons. If i have to hit, i want to hit hard.

If you are going to pvp at all costs, then melee druid shall be not the choice.

In pvm, well, let's see the so called ww barb. If he wants to be somewhat effective, he will need high-end, really expensive gear, otherwise it is a ridiculous clown, a self-moving battle orders platform. I lead many runs with my bear in chaos trist (no pallies there), ww barbs are almost completely useless there (no, they are usefull, they can bo...). Frenzy barbs do better, but guess how effective are they in pvp...

And there are pallies,they are the best to take down solo monsters, but no crowd controll at all. I saved many times baalwalks with my tanking tactics, where everyone died at least once, except me.

There isn't something like pvp balance, it was not proposed to be. Simple as that. Play for fun, play druids for fun;).

[stoutewolf]

damage is another+point (my wolf hits 4 fps-14k fury and 28k rabies)

[Minstrelboy]

My damage output was 17k fully charged (botd gpa, how fortitude)/ 7 frame. 2 hit kills in hell 8 players:). Next i will going to lower ~15k dam and 6 frame (botd giant tresher and lot of nonweapon ias, coa based).

[lCE]

Show me another char that can have both 10k life and 10k 4 fpa damage. Besides how cool is it to be a werewolf? :).

[Rabbitz]

yeah well there's this thing we like to call bite the sucker in the face with rabies and run like hell :D that always seems to work

[RareBear]

The thing I have to complain about is WB's patheticly low ar, also crappy defense boost, if 1.12 were to come out, they should buff this up. (oh yea the VERY stupid spirits that die so often)
But, Druids are still my fave chars in D2, (only chars I use) preferably SS druids. The hell with other character classes, especially Blizzard's obsession with Paladins.

[xpumafangx]

Werewolfs can also run really really fast. Feral rage, kinda blows ya I know. But if you look at the items that are good and since they have next to no def. Its preatty much a must to all most all ways use light armors. And never use heavy. The only armor that I would use that isnt a light armor is shaftstop. Even then the neg. to runwalk isnt all that bad. After that 40% from boots and engima gives you a freakin fast werewolf when having a vigor merc. No one sees you coming.:jig:

[stoutewolf]

Werewolfs can also run really really fast. Feral rage, kinda blows ya I know. But if you look at the items that are good and since they have next to no def. Its preatty much a must to all most all ways use light armors. And never use heavy. The only armor that I would use that isnt a light armor is shaftstop. Even then the neg. to runwalk isnt all that bad. After that 40% from boots and engima gives you a freakin fast werewolf when having a vigor merc. No one sees you coming.:jig:

problem isthat the rest can tele

palas use charge/vigor for frw
babas use frenzy/increased speed
assasins burst of speed
sorc=tele
necro=tele
only amazons can be slower(although i saw some tele aswell)

[Minstrelboy]

The thing I have to complain about is WB's patheticly low ar, also crappy defense boost, if 1.12 were to come out, they should buff this up. (oh yea the VERY stupid spirits that die so often)
But, Druids are still my fave chars in D2, (only chars I use) preferably SS druids. The hell with other character classes, especially Blizzard's obsession with Paladins.

Barbs tended to have even lower basic ar, than wbs without how. Anyway, ik set parts (gloves+belt+boots) are your friends.

[Rangniheldr]

melee druids are.. well..sickening.. just the unfairness of it..(alright guys.. lets moan.. critic.. w/e.. about the lameness of pvp style of shiftters)

lets start with the werewolf:
-the ONLY good thing that makes a wwolf a + is the ar bonus.. (fury equalised by zeal..jab..kicks.. etc....)... but then REALLY.. WHO NEEDS 40~50K ar!!!!!!
...can sum1 please name another + for the shifter....
-higher life.. RIIIIITE.. a stupid summon orange thing floating volunteerily TOWARDS the enermy..no def...no boost of anythings apart from life..slow block speed...minimum weapon choice..

lets stop there for a second..n move on to the bear:
-OOH so you think u can hit fast at a constant 4fps!! wow.. whats the point if u miss 90% of the time with your close-to-none-pathetically-low AR!!
-def% bonus... WHAT IS THAT!.. like a childs version of iron skin? its soo low its almost.. no it IS sad..
-a supposily-stun maul attack that actually dont really stun in pvp...suppose to be like smiter with ar.. (Which if thats the case.. makes them ok) BUT ITS NOT!
-AGAIN..MINIMUM WEAPON CHOICE..
-bonus dmg%... whats the point when you can only choose weapons with such low dmg?!?
- elemnental melee dmg = fireclaw..oooh sooo strong (hmm actually it is :D).. but enchant sorc has shiver armor..energy shield to stop people from killing them.. zon has d/e/a and DONT MISS wit cs.. pally have SICK def.. speed.. dmg..res.. BARB dont even need elemental dmg to beat u...natural res..speed...and they suppose to be brothers?!!??!

lets stop.. im in tears..
i've made literally 9 druids...(yes all shifters..) 7 wolves...some remakes.. some hybrids..some pures..


the thing is..no druid skills makes em special or extra strong/fast/tanky/tricky/deceiving/ ....

only that after transformation.. they have more hair (haha shame barb).... clearer abs (yes.. on bear).. have longer finger nails.. a tail (hehe bear..)
which non of helps in pvp...

OUCH!

sorry about this.. but its just depressing that druids will ALWAYS be looked down upon.. unless something is changed.. which wont be..
feel free to add to this.. or tel me im wrong..

cheers
PpZ

Well they do have the ability to gain 10k + life, I do fairly in duels especially vs smiters, i usually win all of them except the ones with btal(on europe).

I dont see what you are complaining about, a properly built druid can match any char....:wave:

[Valvolux]

60k+ Rabies and a furry butt is great!

[pipi-owner]

niiice :D
thats what im talking about guys :D
love seeing people stand up for druids !! yay
lol

now then..

when sum1 said u can EASILY reach 35k ar with bear... thats either
1) bs..
2) switched out gears for stuff such as angelics/hsarus..
(i AM talkin about ladder here.. on nl theres no such thing as impossible)
i definitly aint suggestin that you bs-ing ofc.. but please list the gears that allow a bear to hit 35k EASILY..

another point... HIGH DMG!!..
sure.. but who DOESNT have high dmg.. or ways of dealing out dmg fast..
pally- charge... i have witnessed a 60k dmg charger..and the dmg you guys are talkin about (15K+) are with either a slow as weapon.. or 2handed..
1 charger with ds n your dead..(no def on wolves)
and talkin about fast hitters... zeal (sure they have slower first frame) can achieve speed.. + DMG... with a whole lot of variaties for weapons!!

i agree wolves can be fast.. but so many other class can be faster...let alone all of them can tele..

60k rabies.. thats with da switched on gears rite.. not the fight gear (if it is.. then WOW.. list ur gears.. i have 9gc + torch + anni n i reach 35k fight gear n 52k on switch)

10k life.. a BIG plus.. literally.. i agree.. but other class can shed that sooo fast.. due to our slow blockrate (whirlwinds..zealots..).. defensless (literally) and easily interruptable fury...

Rangniheldr- props to u who can beat smiters consistantly.. however unless u have 36 3/20/20 +torch + anni (nl obviously) or the smiters you duel are ebayers..theres no way you can beat a smiter.. (maybe in 50 duels... since i understand that you have high dmg output.. but that'l sarcrafice ur fhr .. reachin 86% at most.. meaning u have to kil em b4 they smite u..)
i have read your new guide.. very impressed.. read it again.. stil impressed.. followed it..happy.. but stil unable to defeat smiters lke u said u can..
please list YOUR gears n charms..

if any1 believe they can beat smiters by switching on 156%(or 154?) fhr bla bla bla.. and if you REALLY do beat them.. (not just once..) can u use the same gear on him to beat barbs?? wwsin? zealots?

builds like smiters can CHARGE..(vs casters etc).. smite.. have res(auras).. freeze people.. VERY versatile..
barbs can bo/shout/bc... whirlwind deals out large dmg consistantly...natural res..faster r/w..

druids got life..no res.. not really fast (feral cant really compare..) possible high dmg output.. sacraficed attack speed or block.. stupid spirits.. one spirit completely uselss...

i have 50% dr and 7.9k life.. yea i die in a couple hits from smiters...if i do hit.. yes.. they hurt.. but rarely kills em..

barbs have a chance of killing smiters (i belive they're right up there..exaggerated to undefeatable when built right and knows how to play)
with dual grief/botd/beast (either 2)..

what im saying is that all the other chars have ways of countering another class.. especially druid since atm the only thing druids have is life... and barb can reach 8k... with higher def.. natural criticals..consistant hits..

barbs dont need 20k ar like wolves.. cus they spin... 15k ar is ok against a smiter and has a chance of winning.. but wolves dont.... ik set just makes your shifters less affective loosing out cb/ds/ow/vit/fhr

believe me.. i understand what all of you are trying to say (as i have personally dedicated 3years on n off d2 time to druids n druids only)
but 20k dmg.. 35k ar... would mean slow hits.. that = death to any smiter really..

its a long read.. i know.. i typed it..
but i've only agreed with one persons post atm.. which is "play druids for fun!!"
yay... im stil not giving up on em yet.... so keep it strong druid fans!!

cheers
PpZ

[Valvolux]

End of the day if you want a broken overpowered char make a hammerdin or grief smiter, but if you want a challenge and try somein different to 90% of the clones on bnet play a Shifter.

[Voice]

the only REAL thing i think there is to compalin about is the absolute crappyness of our highest sage .. SoB's.

The rest sucks but .... uh ... that is why 90% of the people that play druids play them ... b/c they pose a challenge and there arnt mass druids in every single game you join .... them being the underdog is what makes most of us like them. So besides SoBs sucking i got no real complaint ... although i would enjoy a viable mauler weapon ... but oh well.

[pipi-owner]

good challenge.. = good..
impossible to make em any good to compete with them?!?! not cool

cheers
PpZ

[LorveN]

believe me.. i understand what all of you are trying to say (as i have personally dedicated 3years on n off d2 time to druids n druids only)
but 20k dmg.. 35k ar... would mean slow hits.. that = death to any smiter really..


4fpa with a tomb reaver really isn't that slow. Sure, no block, but whack the smiter fast enough...
Shields are just lame!

[pipi-owner]

i duno.. a lot of you guys seem to be theory-craftin to me
..i prolly wont believe it until one of you that posted here actually defeats a smiter in front of me.. which i (confidently?!) doubt ANY of you could.. maybe couple of rounds.. but definitly not hands down..

i've used eth tomb reaver.. i've reached 4fps.. i've read pretty much EVERYTHING is there on fury.. fury/rabies..fury/fc... fc...fc/rabies.. !!
i've tweaked.. i've prebuffed... i've done w/e its possible.. i've obtain 9+ gc with 37++ lifes.. i've done everything any1 here has possible done (of course.. not 1.08 style since i believe no point holding on the past..and gotta roll with da present times..meaning ladder style)..

YET.. i have not consistantly defeated smiters..
the funny thing is.. a lot.. if not ALL of the people posted in this thread so far BELIEVE that "a well built druid (may it be ww/wb) can take on any other char..."... no1 here (ok mayb 1 or 2) will and is willing to admit that druids are USELESS against a smiter thats built as well as yourself.. if not a lil cheaper!

the dude that said bear can reach 35k ar... (i assume your rounding your figures UP)..PLEASE.. list your gears.. let me study it.. understand it.. TEAR IT to pieces (if i may) and tel you that bear CANNOT reach 35k ar.. and wen and IF it EVER does.. it'l be swing at 1000fps (exaggerated..) or deal min. dmg... or no life.. or w/e...

Lorvn- obviously u didnt take the time to read all of what was posted here.. therfore i dont really needa explain maself.. but i will :D..(no worries there)
i posted that post to the dude that claims his WEREBEAR had 35k ar....with maul?!?!?! dats like saying a barb can do charge strike.. ...
PLUS... shields are NOT lame.. thats prolly the only thing saving us from loosing to even jabbazon.. zealots.. etc...

Voice is absolutely right.. about the SOB..(the points i've raised u did not agree.. fair enough.. but please list why u dont agree with em.. as i've stated very cleary WHY its so shameful that bliz made shifters the way they are..)
if it was like thorns aura.. then BOOM.. whole different story..
but noooooo....

i dont really think you guys are understanding what i'm saying.. or where im coming from.. prolly most of you dont expect the best out of a druid.. but im more like "if other char can do it.. why cant i?"
i WANNA make druid as competitive as other chars... therefore the reason for this complaint thread :D

a lot of you brought up good points.. but nothing i never thought about.. i was hoping for a guy that could actually shock me with news and gears and charms that'll rock my boat..

all i see is "druids can beat smiters.. i do 20k dmg.. i have high ar.." thats not really being realistic when thats NOT the problem :D.. and i have listed those..(not all.. just some) problems..

cheers
PpZ

[Minstrelboy]

Reaching really high ar? Plain simple. Triple angelic as standard, just like by barbs are heavily depended on them. Cerebus bite, aldur armor+boots combo. Enchanted from demon limb, (yes, that is a standard for barbs aswell). High basic dex (170+). If you can't get it, you messed something really up, i have to say. Even thebvb barbs reach 37k ar and they start with lower.

Yes, with maul, and how. I didn't even wear aldur combo. (I thought partial ik set was instead).

The greatest problem with charge and ww is the desyncroning effect. You are not seeing accurately, what currently happens, and everything is about timing.

[pipi-owner]

triple angelics (nice done it).. aldurs armor n boots (ok wat is ur str like.. wat weap? str charms? to get to 115 without any str boost ?!)... cerebus (haha perf one :D.. tried it).. even with ik parts.. ok..

whats in your inventory..?...all ar/life gc? wit ar/dmg/life sc? (ok i got dat.. :D) theres no way u reach 35k ar with shapeshift gc :D

... now lets see... without enchant (cus i personally dont like it.. err) . hmmm
your missing out HUGE amount of mods needed in pvp.. ds/ow...
NO resist what so ever.... NO fhr(charms add up to at least 86%??)
NO damage.. (what weap u using?).. if dmg then im gonna assume NO attack speed...

you would have LOW life compare to what a normal bear should have since u'd have to pump stats into dex.. str.. if not and uses charms.. then you wouldnt have that ar?!?

is it possible someone ACTUALLY has a bear thats got 35k ar.. with maul.. w/e gear n charms.. SCREENSHOTD to prove it..
so far.. if the build u listed is NOT just theory-craft.. then its stil not good enough lol... i've just try all the gears on!

cheers
PpZ

[Kosmos]

well i have to agree that maulers sucks bigtime, low def, low ar, low dmg, they dont have much speaking for them. Fury druids can be good especially the fury/rabies hybrid but i just hate the fact that smithers destoys them.

[Kosmos]

although i would enjoy a viable mauler weapon ... but oh well.
like what? a weapon that gives 110 ias and 400 ed :grin: :rolleyes: .

i dont think so. i think they just should make the maul attack skill faster, that would solve the problem and make maulers viable.

[Minstrelboy]

triple angelics (nice done it).. aldurs armor n boots (ok wat is ur str like.. wat weap? str charms? to get to 115 without any str boost ?!)... cerebus (haha perf one :D.. tried it).. even with ik parts.. ok..

whats in your inventory..?...all ar/life gc? wit ar/dmg/life sc? (ok i got dat.. :D) theres no way u reach 35k ar with shapeshift gc :D

... now lets see... without enchant (cus i personally dont like it.. err) . hmmm
your missing out HUGE amount of mods needed in pvp.. ds/ow...
NO resist what so ever.... NO fhr(charms add up to at least 86%??)
NO damage.. (what weap u using?).. if dmg then im gonna assume NO attack speed...

you would have LOW life compare to what a normal bear should have since u'd have to pump stats into dex.. str.. if not and uses charms.. then you wouldnt have that ar?!?

is it possible someone ACTUALLY has a bear thats got 35k ar.. with maul.. w/e gear n charms.. SCREENSHOTD to prove it..
so far.. if the build u listed is NOT just theory-craft.. then its stil not good enough lol... i've just try all the gears on!

cheers
PpZ

Now that is the point, i give up with you. I will make the screenshots, when i get home. Learn to play first.

Palas uses enchant, barbs use enchant against high def opponets. They have basically low ar too...Only werewolves have higher, than average.They uses triple angelic too. There isn't really other way to get really high ar.

This was my former bear (damnit, have to mule a lot for that screenshot, but i will make it anyway.) First, it was an 1.10 summoner hibrid....Based on beast synergie bug. 130 basic str and 190 basic dex, so high because when it was designed, no torches were available yet, and beast ba does not gives any dex for max block. He was designed to kill all monsters alone, had ik maul on switch, with belt-gloves-boots, 2 sharp+low life gcs and 1 fhr gc in stash. He had 86 fhr (25 from ik+ shaeled jalal+ 1gc).

Later, after the synergie bug had been fixed, switched to botd ba and reached 9k+ 1h damage fully charged.

The current one has revised dex as 150 base, because i found, that it doesn't need really more dex and ar...i can use dancers instead of gores for dex and for reaching 152fhr EASILY. 125 base str to carry eth sacred prudence glitched armors (as you see i like to combine...)to make a decent defense boost combined with fortitude chilling armor as prebuff.

But just keep complaining.:azn:

And besides, over 20k, ar and def is closely academic because of diminishing returns...And 40k def (and ar) is only about with 10% higher, than 20k.

[RareBear]

End of the day if you want a broken overpowered char make a hammerdin or grief smiter, but if you want a challenge and try somein different to 90% of the clones on bnet play a Shifter.

I would say "make" a Paladin, and you are overpowered to begin with

[Minstrelboy]

All right, i've just made the screenshots about my new , 150 dex based (not about the 190 dex old..) mauler with 36k ar. Gcs are normal shape lifers from 30 to 39, one sharp lifer lc just below the torch.

No cerebus, no blessed aim merc (it is basically defiance). Damage is not charged, it ends like 9k. Chilling armor is not active, it ends like 16k+ defiance from merc. I do tank tactics in pvm.

Triple angelic+ enchant-that is all you need. Ofc i have made some sacrifices and lost some added pvp mode, but still have 86fhr. But you will never need that much ar as well...

Could anyone give me a tip, where can i upload them?

P.S. Just have recognized, that defiance aura on merc is not active yet as well. Don't tell me, that it is blessed aim, it isn't. I can make a screenhot with blessed aim merc, too...:jig:

[Minstrelboy]

http://www.kepfeltoltes.hu/view/060313/Screenshot010_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg

Gear screenshot to that ar

http://www.kepfeltoltes.hu/view/060313/Screenshot011_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg

I hope you can reach it in direct url. Otherwise feel free to give tips, where to upload. I can see it from home.:undecided:

And a consolidated mode, without ik stuff, still 33k...Gores, verdungos, bloodfist.

http://www.kepfeltoltes.hu/view/060313/Screenshot001_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg


Now for damage complainers, it will have grief pb and more average damage, faster hit, than that you can see (i have one, but in ladder). For fhr, it will have 152 fhr (have dancers in ladder, just need to make a new duress), it will be fully with melee pvp modes if necesarry (see other topic, 50% ds, 43% ow, 65%cb with 30k+ ar, 7 frame attack, 152 fhr), and ar won't be below 30k...Why would it be? And this is possible in one build i have described once.

Hands up...

[stoutewolf]

triple angelics (nice done it).. aldurs armor n boots (ok wat is ur str like.. wat weap? str charms? to get to 115 without any str boost ?!)... cerebus (haha perf one :D.. tried it).. even with ik parts.. ok..

whats in your inventory..?...all ar/life gc? wit ar/dmg/life sc? (ok i got dat.. :D) theres no way u reach 35k ar with shapeshift gc :D

... now lets see... without enchant (cus i personally dont like it.. err) . hmmm
your missing out HUGE amount of mods needed in pvp.. ds/ow...
NO resist what so ever.... NO fhr(charms add up to at least 86%??)
NO damage.. (what weap u using?).. if dmg then im gonna assume NO attack speed...

you would have LOW life compare to what a normal bear should have since u'd have to pump stats into dex.. str.. if not and uses charms.. then you wouldnt have that ar?!?

is it possible someone ACTUALLY has a bear thats got 35k ar.. with maul.. w/e gear n charms.. SCREENSHOTD to prove it..
so far.. if the build u listed is NOT just theory-craft.. then its stil not good enough lol... i've just try all the gears on!

cheers
PpZ

so u want a good build vs other chars, i show you picks later by i write u some stuff although the build is expensive.

10k life
46%dr
17k fury damage
35k rabies dmg with -50 poison res (rabies trick read my guide)
5k def (abit low i know (werewolf))
max resistance (80 lightning)
high ar
fast frw ofc
4 fps attack speed
52% deadly strike
86% fhr
cbf mode on ofc
able to get max block (50dr then ofc)


this stuff is without treasury ofc (most smite lamers use it)
no block but nn because smite=ignores def ignores block. Ofc i can switch to block if i need it versus other chars. Charging paladin=dead paladin vs me btw. Well i dont only defend my druid because they are funny. They are really good if they are well build and the player is skilled at using one.I cleaned lots of pubbys with my melee druid and ofcourse skilled players aswell. If u are @ europe non-ladder i can duell you always *mfbiatch


btw, lots of melee druids can kill smiters just get a tombreaver and 4 fps/max damage reduced/86 fhr and put on cleglaws gloves/angelics combo for nice ar and it is bai bai smiter.

[Rangniheldr]

so u want a good build vs other chars, i show you picks later by i write u some stuff although the build is expensive.

10k life
46%dr
17k fury damage
35k rabies dmg with -50 poison res (rabies trick read my guide)
5k def (abit low i know (werewolf))
max resistance (80 lightning)
high ar
fast frw ofc
4 fps attack speed
52% deadly strike
86% fhr
cbf mode on ofc
able to get max block (50dr then ofc)


this stuff is without treasury ofc (most smite lamers use it)
no block but nn because smite=ignores def ignores block. Ofc i can switch to block if i need it versus other chars. Charging paladin=dead paladin vs me btw. Well i dont only defend my druid because they are funny. They are really good if they are well build and the player is skilled at using one.I cleaned lots of pubbys with my melee druid and ofcourse skilled players aswell. If u are @ europe non-ladder i can duell you always *mfbiatch


btw, lots of melee druids can kill smiters just get a tombreaver and 4 fps/max damage reduced/86 fhr and put on cleglaws gloves/angelics combo for nice ar and it is bai bai smiter.

Hmm i kinda consider Clegs Bm:rolleyes: i just realised something, since i didnt take them into acc with my str distribution looks like im gonna have to go 99.....3 lvls to go:grin:

[stoutewolf]

Hmm i kinda consider Clegs Bm:rolleyes: i just realised something, since i didnt take them into acc with my str distribution looks like im gonna have to go 99.....3 lvls to go:grin:
well u can call them bm, but so is life tap and a ignores target/ignores def attack isnt it ;)

I dont use them btw in my setup

[Rangniheldr]

well u can call them bm, but so is life tap and a ignores target/ignores def attack isnt it ;)

I dont use them btw in my setup

*sulks in corner* Yes im a proud user of my draculs, but thats only to get even with those ever so terrible smiters:grin:

Btw, wanna do some gf runs tonight?:rolleyes:

[stoutewolf]

*sulks in corner* Yes im a proud user of my draculs, but thats only to get even with those ever so terrible smiters:grin:

Btw, wanna do some gf runs tonight?:rolleyes:
ofc, we will get the damn 3 soc/30frw diadems and those 100life/3soc ones

[Voice]

Alright i dont like to post screen shots of my characters because i build odd and original builds, gear. But ink talked me into posting these screen shots of my mauler so i'm gonna post it here.

And before you say you give up gear ... i am not using angelics in any of these screen shots ... nor am i using crappy gear .. in all these screen shots i break over 50 ds, about 50 ows ... not sure about cb.

http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot0214yc.jpg

http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot0220mz.jpg

Note in this last one my defence should be 24k ... but the shiver armor went off.

http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot0234ab.jpg

As for druids being underpowered ... meh my wolf wins about 60-70% of my duels (including vs. smiters) and that is enough for me considering we are "underpowered". If your looking for a fury wolf to join pubs and kill 99% of the time your looking at the wrong char ... be content w/ anything over 60%.

As for godly smiter vs. godly fury ... sure smite will prob. win .. however if smiter has a lil less expensive gear a druid can win. I think i do better than most vs. smiters because i hit 7k life w/ an all strength build ... meaning that i do massive damage to smiters ... to the extent that if i get ds and a high end damage hit off ... i can 1 hit kill 85% of them ... although most decent take 2 hits ... i can and i have 1 hit ko'ed GOOD smiters .... but majority if they are fully decked out they will beat me unless i get a good hit off. However, the majority of smiters i go somewhat 50/50 with.

Anyways the point of this was to post the screen shots to say that maulers can be somewhat viable ... i am making progress ... i have went from only getting the top wolves to 1/2 life to getting them to 1/4 life. Eventually i will get them to 0 life. :grin:

[pipi-owner]

haha very impressive minstrelboy.. thats exactly what im talkin about..
:D thanks for that..

however... without the ebotdz.. n stormshield... u loose MASSIVE amount of str n then i assume u wont be able to wear your armor :D (sacred dures or fort?)

.. or do u not go 2h vs smiters?!
because u can beat smiters 1h swing that sloW?

stouteman- thanks for listing those points.. very true n important.. but HOW do u achieve that? (:wink3: )
it all sounds very nice.. and im definitly sure i have the items your talking about :D.. but needa know how to get it like dat...

i've mentioned this but i'l mention it again.. wolf/bear druids have ALWAYS been my favourite build.. THATS why im raising this thread.. as MANY of you will have seen people on bnet that dont understand shifters..or when they make one half way.. they say its crap and tries to tel every1 about it (saw this lvl80 wolf druid and thought he was decent.. tried to talk to him and he just said "wolf sux..hit so slow @#%@% etc" ... it was a sad day..)

sadly im on uswest ladder.. nl is a thing in the past for me.. :sad2:

thanks again for all the input here guys...

plenty more questions and answers to be posted :D

cheers
PpZ

[Minstrelboy]

I've just simply made the point you cannot design a gear, what you see is my pvm tank setup. I have no reason, that my ar should be lower than 30k with minor changes, if need it much. Plain simply i can change armor, i can change weapon,i can change helm, i can get/keep pvp modes if i want to. Or shall we go for 50k ar, moron, keeping 86fhr and pvp modes? It is possible. Just unnecesarry.

With 30k+ ar, i will get 152fhr will keep 50% ds with triple angelic, 65%cb, 43% ow without cerebus, aldurs combo. Forti-> Light armor Duress, Jalal->Guillaumes. I will lose whoule 2-3k ar, almost nothing.

2h setup is a different issue, bit i assure you, it will keep the high ar:grin:

You have made no valid point, jus proved, you are simply senseless.

[Minstrelboy]

I've just simply made the point you cannot design a gear, what you see is my pvm tank setup. I have no reason, that my ar should be lower than 30k with minor changes, if need it much. Plain simply i can change armor, i can change weapon,i can change helm, i can get/keep pvp modes if i want to. Or shall we go for 50k ar, moron, keeping 86fhr and pvp modes? It is possible. Just unnecesarry.

With 30k+ ar, i will get 152fhr will keep 50% ds with triple angelic, 65%cb, 43% ow without cerebus, aldurs combo. Forti-> Light armor Duress, Jalal->Guillaumes. I will lose whoule 2-3k ar, almost nothing. Keeping pvp modes and keeping high ar/high fhr together is not challenging at all, just needs some gut.

2h setup is a different issue, bit i assure you, it will keep the high ar:grin: I give a hint, it is shaeled shaftstop based.

You have made no valid point, jus proved, you are simply senseless. My worst setup should beat the tar out from your best, i bet:jig:

[dkay]

give wereforms teleport and they will be the kings of pvp easily. ^^

[pipi-owner]

thanks voice.. but those are screenies of just the stats.. the problem is the gears.. not what u achieve :D

cheers
PpZ

[Valvolux]

People can be protective of their equipment set up, especially when talking about pvp. Asking specific question about certain items is fine, but asking exact list of items/charms etc just looks like you're asking to be spoon fed. If people want to share their tactics with you be grateful, if not don’t try and force them into doing so.

[Rangniheldr]

Alright i dont like to post screen shots of my characters because i build odd and original builds, gear. But ink talked me into posting these screen shots of my mauler so i'm gonna post it here.

And before you say you give up gear ... i am not using angelics in any of these screen shots ... nor am i using crappy gear .. in all these screen shots i break over 50 ds, about 50 ows ... not sure about cb.

http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot0214yc.jpg

http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot0220mz.jpg

Note in this last one my defence should be 24k ... but the shiver armor went off.

http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot0234ab.jpg

As for druids being underpowered ... meh my wolf wins about 60-70% of my duels (including vs. smiters) and that is enough for me considering we are "underpowered". If your looking for a fury wolf to join pubs and kill 99% of the time your looking at the wrong char ... be content w/ anything over 60%.

As for godly smiter vs. godly fury ... sure smite will prob. win .. however if smiter has a lil less expensive gear a druid can win. I think i do better than most vs. smiters because i hit 7k life w/ an all strength build ... meaning that i do massive damage to smiters ... to the extent that if i get ds and a high end damage hit off ... i can 1 hit kill 85% of them ... although most decent take 2 hits ... i can and i have 1 hit ko'ed GOOD smiters .... but majority if they are fully decked out they will beat me unless i get a good hit off. However, the majority of smiters i go somewhat 50/50 with.

Anyways the point of this was to post the screen shots to say that maulers can be somewhat viable ... i am making progress ... i have went from only getting the top wolves to 1/2 life to getting them to 1/4 life. Eventually i will get them to 0 life. :grin:

Not sure if ive asked this before Voice, but do you play on europe nl?

[stoutewolf]

People can be protective of their equipment set up, especially when talking about pvp. Asking specific question about certain items is fine, but asking exact list of items/charms etc just looks like you're asking to be spoon fed. If people want to share their tactics with you be grateful, if not don’t try and force them into doing so.

i will post screenies of my stats but not from my equip sorry. Not much peops now my setup, only Rangniheldr+some other ones. Look at my guide for a nice set-up though

[Voice]

I duel in useast nl.

And I really dont like sharing my gear for a few reasons ... main reason for not showing mauler gear is because well ..... i do not consider him to be successful yet, and I hate to give out wrong information about characters. Not only that ... i like to see people try stuff out on their own and test it .. that is the only way maulers or other characters will rise and become better.
And of course the final reason is i dont want people copying my gear. :grin:

Anyways good luck with your builds folks ....

[remsy]

Only thing wrong with werewolves is defense in my opinion.
Apart from that they're clearly the better choice for pvp.

01. They change it werewolves
02. They change it werewolves
03. They change it werewolves
04. They can get 4k plus life with ease before the sage.
05. 8k plus damage at ridiculous speeds is easy
06. Ar is godly when you're facing off a barb with 30k def and 6k life
07. You growl when you're hitting them.
08. It's very mesmerizing to watch a werewolf walking across the screen as
opposed to running. It just looks strange but cool at the same time.
09. Rabies is the ultimate unpleasant surprise.
10. They can't see your gear. This is a great thing for me.

[pipi-owner]

wow.. hope i didnt come across as forceful? ... did i? wtf..

not copying ur build.. hehe fair enuf i gues..

notice you have a merc.. prolly with faith yes?! :D

nice stats again..

cheers

[Voice]

Opps didnt even notice the merc was alive ... yea she has faith, only reason i got her was because leveling was getting boring .. tried to spice it up some ... but that really doesnt change the stats that much cosidering how much ds / ow's i got ... the key component here ...... i thought .... was the 24k defence. My ar w/o the merc btw varys between like 19k - 35kish ... i think (thats w/o angelics) ... damage is slightly lower.

Anyways im to lazy / busy to take other screen shots w/o the merc ... i think subtracting a lil damage and a lil ar (2kish) from the screen shots with imagination should do the trick.

[Kosmos]

i will post screenies of my stats but not from my equip sorry. Not much peops now my setup, only Rangniheldr+some other ones. Look at my guide for a nice set-up though
i know your setup. you posted it on d2jsp.

uppg Jallal
Storm
Grief pb
Forty
Verdugo or ow belt not sure
08 highlord
08 bul
raven
uppg gores
uppg blood

+ u have in stach 3 *ed iias + lo caddy and 2* tombreavers perf ed socked 2 *shael one and 2*ed ias the other.
:jig:

[Kosmos]

one more thing that sux about fury druids is that fury is interruptable.

[Kosmos]

I duel in useast nl.

And I really dont like sharing my gear for a few reasons ... main reason for not showing mauler gear is because well ..... i do not consider him to be successful yet, and I hate to give out wrong information about characters. Not only that ... i like to see people try stuff out on their own and test it .. that is the only way maulers or other characters will rise and become better.
And of course the final reason is i dont want people copying my gear. :grin:

Anyways good luck with your builds folks ....
well there is not that many options for mauler.

forty - no brainer maulers needs dmg
cerebus - nobrainer maulers needs ar
storm- no brainer
verdugo - no brainer
angelic combo- no brainer you need ar
Wt's- better than gores for this build

Weapon: only 1 option for mauler. gris caddy socked 3* ed ias +shael (you need 102 ias for 5 frame maul)

my guess is this is what you use. :wink2:

[MortIIs]

I duel in useast nl.

And I really dont like sharing my gear for a few reasons ... main reason for not showing mauler gear is because well ..... i do not consider him to be successful yet, and I hate to give out wrong information about characters. Not only that ... i like to see people try stuff out on their own and test it .. that is the only way maulers or other characters will rise and become better.
And of course the final reason is i dont want people copying my gear. :grin:

Anyways good luck with your builds folks ....


How do u duel vs elemental attacks? I notice those screen were taken in normal difficulty and you lack some res. You don't use angelic's you say but I can see where u get your AR from.

[stoutewolf]

i know your setup. you posted it on d2jsp.

uppg Jallal
Storm
Grief pb
Forty
Verdugo or ow belt not sure
08 highlord
08 bul
raven
uppg gores
uppg blood

+ u have in stach 3 *ed iias + lo caddy and 2* tombreavers perf ed socked 2 *shael one and 2*ed ias the other.
:jig:

didnt show all my stuff at d2jsp, kept some of my stuff secret(rest of the stuff is known as good equip already)

[ToThePoint]

didnt show all my stuff at d2jsp, kept some of my stuff secret(rest of the stuff is known as good equip already)
i saw on ep!

[stoutewolf]

i saw on ep!
i showed same stuff @ d2jsp as on ep, nice try though:wave:

[ToThePoint]

prove it :)

[Voice]

well there is not that many options for mauler.

forty - no brainer maulers needs dmg
cerebus - nobrainer maulers needs ar
storm- no brainer
verdugo - no brainer
angelic combo- no brainer you need ar
Wt's- better than gores for this build

Weapon: only 1 option for mauler. gris caddy socked 3* ed ias +shael (you need 102 ias for 5 frame maul)

my guess is this is what you use. :wink2:

forty ... obvious since i got shiver armor
cerebus ... maybe .. .maybe not ... there are 3 good options here actually (jalals not being one)
storm ... possibly .. but not a no brainer there is another good option here
dungos ... another option is possible here
angelic combo ... if you read i said i DONT USE ANGELICS
war travs ... gores ... maybe maybe not .... i actually dont think i was using either on this setup ...

1 option for a mauler ... uhhh as you can see with my screen shots i have had 3 different weapons on ... all have uses for different characters. 5 frame maul is not 100% necessary btw.

so uhhh your wrong on just about ever aspect ... better luck next time.

edit: and IMO angelics on a pvp mauler is 100% suicide.

[MortIIs]

prove it :)

yes because we're dieing to know. :rolleyes:

Btw brill post your itemlame droid plz! :afro:


Edit : Voice please answer my question. Thank you.

[Voice]

yes because we're dieing to know. :rolleyes:

Btw brill post your itemlame droid plz! :afro:


Edit : Voice please answer my question. Thank you.


depends on setup .. to get the 21 k ar .. well that had faith (fant aura on) but normally i hit 19-20k and well ... after making numerous maulers and having ar problems, getting stuck around 15k ar. I made the decision that 200-220 bas dex was VERY necessary. because uhhh ... you NEED highlords for ds since most maulers weapons have ridiculously low. I've dueled many of times going w/ duel angelics to get the ar ... and sure i hit a lot ... but i wasnt doing any damage because i had crap for ds. So to answer your question ... i use a high base dex.

[MortIIs]

depends on setup .. to get the 21 k ar .. well that had faith (fant aura on) but normally i hit 19-20k and well ... after making numerous maulers and having ar problems, getting stuck around 15k ar. I made the decision that 200-220 bas dex was VERY necessary. because uhhh ... you NEED highlords for ds since most maulers weapons have ridiculously low. I've dueled many of times going w/ duel angelics to get the ar ... and sure i hit a lot ... but i wasnt doing any damage because i had crap for ds. So to answer your question ... i use a high base dex.

Thanks, but that wasn't really my question, anyone can see the corelation between the high AR and the big amount of dex. My question was how you duel vs casters since I noticed you had, well lets be honest, laughable resistance for normal difficulty. But perhaps you have a different equipment setup for that?

[Kosmos]

didnt show all my stuff at d2jsp, kept some of my stuff secret(rest of the stuff is known as good equip already)
whats that then? 120 max armor? godly rare weapon cmon tell us! :laugh:

[Kosmos]

depends on setup .. to get the 21 k ar .. well that had faith (fant aura on) but normally i hit 19-20k and well ... after making numerous maulers and having ar problems, getting stuck around 15k ar. I made the decision that 200-220 bas dex was VERY necessary. because uhhh ... you NEED highlords for ds since most maulers weapons have ridiculously low. I've dueled many of times going w/ duel angelics to get the ar ... and sure i hit a lot ... but i wasnt doing any damage because i had crap for ds. So to answer your question ... i use a high base dex.
nah i think angelics is a better choise. screw ds. ds has a penalty, it only does like 1/3 of what it shows . so highlords = 13% chance to do doubble dmg in reality. and if you use grief pb your a fool. 8 fps attack :laughing:

[ToThePoint]

nah i think angelics is a better choise. screw ds. ds has a penalty, it only does like 1/3 of what it shows . so highlords = 13% chance to do doubble dmg in reality. and if you use grief pb your a fool. 8 fps attack :laughing:
angelics may or may not be better but dont spout crap :)
the amount of DS listed is the amount it does.
whether or not the relative increase from equipping is this or not doesn't matter.
you can also get 7 frame with grief.

[Voice]

Thanks, but that wasn't really my question, anyone can see the corelation between the high AR and the big amount of dex. My question was how you duel vs casters since I noticed you had, well lets be honest, laughable resistance for normal difficulty. But perhaps you have a different equipment setup for that?

right now im taking it 1 step at a time ... so my resist suck b/c im going vs. melees first ... after I start doing well vs. them i'll tackle the casters ... because in reality after you strap on a range 4/5 weapon ... and resist .. the rest is just strategy soooo ... to answer your question ... i dont duel casters atm ... hell i dont really play much atm.

@kosimos You can keep thinking angelics is a better choice ... I thought it was too thats why i made multiple maulers based around angelics and kept getting my *** handed to me against good melees because i'd hit them like 8 times and die while a good dueler had 3/4 of their life if not more. The whole time welt (I'm sure maulers might remember him from back int the day ... he quit d2 though) was laughing telling me no way i'd get it to work b/c he tried it too. And well multiple setups later and much funds wasted and a month or so down the drain i decided:

a) angelics doesnt allow me to hit that much more
b) the damage w/o mass ds SUCKS
c) angelics sucks on a mauler.

So in conclusion ... two of the people who played maulers almost religiously since .10 concluded that angelics suck on a mauler melee vs. melee ... but ... believe what you want and enjoy angelics on your mauler ... if you even have one.

[Kosmos]

right now im taking it 1 step at a time ... so my resist suck b/c im going vs. melees first ... after I start doing well vs. them i'll tackle the casters ... because in reality after you strap on a range 4/5 weapon ... and resist .. the rest is just strategy soooo ... to answer your question ... i dont duel casters atm ... hell i dont really play much atm.

@kosimos You can keep thinking angelics is a better choice ... I thought it was too thats why i made multiple maulers based around angelics and kept getting my *** handed to me against good melees because i'd hit them like 8 times and die while a good dueler had 3/4 of their life if not more. The whole time welt (I'm sure maulers might remember him from back int the day ... he quit d2 though) was laughing telling me no way i'd get it to work b/c he tried it too. And well multiple setups later and much funds wasted and a month or so down the drain i decided:

a) angelics doesnt allow me to hit that much more
b) the damage w/o mass ds SUCKS
c) angelics sucks on a mauler.

So in conclusion ... two of the people who played maulers almost religiously since .10 concluded that angelics suck on a mauler melee vs. melee ... but ... believe what you want and enjoy angelics on your mauler ... if you even have one.
ok if thats what you think fine. but i still think vs high def chars such as barbs and palas you need the ar from angelics.

Btw. Are you from europe realm cause id love to duell a good mauler with my jabberzon

[MortIIs]

ok if thats what you think fine. but i still think vs high def chars such as barbs and palas you need the ar from angelics.

Btw. Are you from europe realm cause id love to duell a good mauler with my jabberzon


He's on east.

[pipi-owner]

HAHA
sup all being away for a couple days n this is already gettin off track..

i'd like to remind everyone again that this topic is about complaints towards bear/wolf... u dont see me askin over n over again (n i made the post) so SHH.. move on.. keep complaining!

...
2nd point.. Kosmo.. i duno you.. but i already dislike u already?.. (hmm only a lil).. reason being that you aint open minded.. and believe it or not we all here to learn.. but stubborn on something that is proven in a way or another that it is not better.. and keep sayin it is.. doesnt make it true (angelics..)
..
also you simply assume.. biggest error a man can make is to assume.. this happens wen they're head is swallowed by their own a*S n cant see the light ever again.. im sure u didnt even look at the screenie and just posted for the hell of it.. the items you listed.. they dont even look remotely like what they were wearing... plus they stated they dont wear angelics yet u assume its angelics cus thats the more common way of doing things... (also with the gris caddy etc.. dat just saddens me that u cant read.. or something like dat)..

WHY am i taking the time to type this post up? its got nothing to do with the topic!??! but heres where yall wrong.. this is at least COMPLAINT.. not discussing druid shifters equipments etc!! like most of you are starting to do

so please.. STAY on topic.. LIST those sore spots in your hearts.. anyone that havnt actually made a shifter druid PLEASE...please dont try and tag in since u wont REALLY know what your talking about and its easy to see that immediately..

cheers
PpZ

ps: kosmo.. LOL.. "ok if thats what you think fine. but i still think vs high def chars such as barbs and palas you need the ar from angelics. " .. wtf you not see his ar?!?! (o yea.. u didnt even bother to look at the screenies..) he has massive ar.. ....
"good mauler with my jabberzon" LOL.. why dont u get a mauler out there... and for some reason i know you dont have a good one.. so if you gonna do that with jabbazon y not just bring out your bm lt smiter...!!

cheers again :D

[Kosmos]

ps: kosmo.. LOL.. "ok if thats what you think fine. but i still think vs high def chars such as barbs and palas you need the ar from angelics. " .. wtf you not see his ar?!?! (o yea.. u didnt even bother to look at the screenies..) he has massive ar.. ....
"good mauler with my jabberzon" LOL.. why dont u get a mauler out there... and for some reason i know you dont have a good one.. so if you gonna do that with jabbazon y not just bring out your bm lt smiter...!!

cheers again :D
ok i guess im going offtopic again but i have to respond to this.

1st of all. in the screenie he posted he has. faith aura from merc.
2nd. no i dont have a mauler, but i had one and my experience was that one its biggest weakness was ar. I even used hsaurus boots + belts to get it up, so for me its an obvious choice but i dont want to argue anymore about it but everyone has right to have an opinion and that is my opinion! and why cant i ask for a duell? its all just good fun and jabbers are a pretty rare class to so i thought it would be a fun duell. and i can think outside the box, thats why i never build copycutter type of chars.

[Voice]

i wish firestorm had a little more distance ... i just started my fire ele ... and i forgot how small the distance is.:cry:

edit: and timers on fire ele sucks too ... Doesnt make them possible just makes them harder to build.

[pipi-owner]

voice? wtf?..

hmmm no complaints huh lol.. all of you hiding in the safe cave?
all the bears gone in hypernation..while all the wolves being hunted down?

kosmo banned? ok..

[Uncle_Mike]

voice? wtf?..
kosmo banned? ok..

just for 3 days so do not rejoice :laugh:

Mike