View Full Version : whats ur pvp ww sin's statistic's
volrath aka A_A_F
04-03-2006, 01:02
well ill start mine currently is at (prebuffed)
lvl 90
3.6k life
6.6k and 6.7k top end damage
15-16k ar
using rare eth(no fools mod) and chaos w/ venom
im more less trying to see what kind of life i should expect after i rebuild
(messed up build due to being an old ladder char)
i figure i can prob hit around 4k life and 7k damage if i finish upgrading my gear and rebuild
HappyAssassin
04-03-2006, 23:54
Um, wow, whats your gear? You got lifers etc?
My wwsin on US West Ladder has:
3.4k Whirlwind (level 42 Venom, Trangs Gloves)
6.4k Lightning Damage (Lvl 35 Lightning Sentry)
3.4k Life
7k Ar (Ravens, Metal Grid, Life/Ar Charms)
I gotta say, your stats look pretty high, some of the better Bramble wwsins I've seen get a bit above those stats, but most wwsins have around 2.5-3k life, 5k ww and 13k Ar. The guys who get huge ww damage do it with a huge gear switch i.e. 2 +3 Venom +3 Shadow Claws, 2 Sojs, 3 Shadow Circlet, 3 Shadow Ammy, Arachs.... If you want to do that before every duel, go for it, but remember that for the max you have switch all your gear, leave town (in a pubby this means a wp) cast all the stuff, go back to the stash, switch again, then duel people. Provided you dont get killed (which might happen, especially with big mean barbs) you have to go back and re buff in a few minutes. Or you could continue fighting with un buffed stats, but you'll never have that huge ww if you do it. I think prebuffing is a pain, so I dont do it. I'd rather be accustomed to playing with the stats I get when I pick up my body than the ones I get with careful preparation. I assume that I will die at some point while dueling.
volrath aka A_A_F
05-03-2006, 00:05
well right now my gear is as follows
basic bo prebuff gear (lidless not spirit however) (dont have str for spirit)
basic venom prebuff (5 venom 10%poison claws x2) (3 shadow helm w/ 5%damage) ect
bramble (46%)
chaos + rare eth self repair claw's
trang's gloves
angelic's
gore's
rare 2 sin/ar/lvl 17 dex 12 res all helm (open soc right now)
ow's crafted blood belt
8x lifer's (currently)
1x fhr (need to get 1 more or change belt for fhr frame)
res all/life and single res/life sc's
res all/life lc x1
19/19 torch and 19/10 anni
w/o prebuff i have
3k life (lvl 11 bo) (2k w/o bo)
4.5k ish venom
not sure blade shield but its up there and lvl 19 (base) (for the time)
my WW trap sin stands at;
lvl 90
3.5k life
6.3k trap LS with (caster gear) 5.2k ordinary fighting gear
4.5k ww on chaos claw and 3.5k on Fury (prebuffed)
6k ar with 2x ravens + either mara or Highlords
My gear still needs a bit of work but i have the following;
3 shadow skills helm with 2x 5% -5 psn facets
Bramble 45%
Engima Archon plate
CoA (Ber JaH)
Archnid belt
Shadow dancers 2 + 23 dex
Fury 2+LS 3+ Venom
Chaos 3+ LS
ON SWITCH
Cta 4 + Spirit
claw with blade shield
Jade Tallon (Um)
Trang gloves
angelics combo (2* ring +amu)
Demon limb
Kira helm
shako (15 ias + ed%)
9 shadow skilers 4 with life and other plain + one trapp skiller i swap in
and a few 20 life scs and rest lower
torch 16 20
anni 10 14 :cry:
My gear is not perfect yet but with a few tweaks, if i get 2 x claws with 3+venom 3+ LS runic talon claws for runeword with possibly 1 df and improve my charms.
When i perfect my gear i will probably rebuild.
RetroStar
05-03-2006, 20:35
my WW trap sin stands at;
lvl 90
3.5k life
6.3k trap LS with (caster gear) 5.2k ordinary fighting gear
4.5k ww on chaos claw and 3.5k on Fury (prebuffed)
6k ar with 2x ravens + either mara or Highlords
My gear still needs a bit of work but i have the following;
3 shadow skills helm with 2x 5% -5 psn facets
Bramble 45%
Engima Archon plate
CoA (Ber JaH)
Archnid belt
Shadow dancers 2 + 23 dex
Fury 2+LS 3+ Venom
Chaos 3+ LS
ON SWITCH
Cta 4 + Spirit
claw with blade shield
Jade Tallon (Um)
Trang gloves
angelics combo (2* ring +amu)
Demon limb
Kira helm
shako (15 ias + ed%)
9 shadow skilers 4 with life and other plain + one trapp skiller i swap in
and a few 20 life scs and rest lower
torch 16 20
anni 10 14 :cry:
My gear is not perfect yet but with a few tweaks, if i get 2 x claws with 3+venom 3+ LS runic talon claws for runeword with possibly 1 df and improve my charms.
When i perfect my gear i will probably rebuild.
How in the world can you get up to 5.2k LS and 6.3kLS with 4.5k WW??
What skills did you max?? My ww/trap's LS dmg is like 3.6k and she almost has perfect equip except gcs. (shadow lifers)
How in the world can you get up to 5.2k LS and 6.3kLS with 4.5k WW??
What skills did you max?? My ww/trap's LS dmg is like 3.6k and she almost has perfect equip except gcs. (shadow lifers)
k here is my skill distribution
20 venom
10 claw masteries
1 point prequies
20 to LS
20 to Death sentry
20 to charged bolt sentry
3 point in shock web
i use 8- 9 shadow skillers + torch and anni
so this means i can get high enough fade for max dr and high enough claw block. plus 1 trap skill.
That dmg i listed is when i use a caster style setup. here is what i use in my caster style setup;
shako
enigma
Fury 2 Ls 3+ Venom
Chaos 3+ Ls
shadow dancers
archnid mesh
2 x ravens
mara amu or highlords
trang gloves
Also a slight error i do 6.2k dmg on trap after bo. :thumbsup:
When i fight with my normal setup i use the following;
CoA (JaH BeR)
Enigma
Fury 2 Ls 3+ Venom
Chaos 3+ Ls
shadow dancers
archnid mesh
angelic combo (2 x ring + amu)
trang gloves
with all these setups i get enough point to get a high venom + i carry the armour (Bramble) around and helm with 3+ shadow skills which has facets socketed into it for a prebuff and i get that much dmg on ww.
without prebuff i net arround 3.7k + 3k WW dmg :prop:
about how much life you dudes got.
how many lifers do u have? im working on a c/c ww kicker hybrid.
and im wondering about my stat distribution. i already need a decent ammount in dex/str for chaos fury. and i also am guessing i need decent dex for ar with ww.
so im wondering what is ur base stats distrubution, and hwo many lifers are you using when you say 3k life? lol
1169 life
2397/1738 WW w/ 1580 AR
1120 Talon w/ 5470 AR
1.5k def
If you laugh, well, fine. Poo on you.
Hurtmeister
06-03-2006, 15:26
4088 life
5.9k Chaos (enigma build, dont know dmg with bramble as armor)
4k trap
23k AR (with demon limb ench)
2k def
4088 life
5.9k Chaos (enigma build, dont know dmg with bramble as armor)
4k trap
23k AR (with demon limb ench)
2k def
cool how did u get 4k life?
cuz in my build i use enigma but i also weare coa + shadow dancers
but my charms are not perfect i still need more skillers with life and better cta.
But how much points do u have in vita and what lvl are u?
Hurtmeister
07-03-2006, 00:46
Well, through skillers +life etc, and low dex/str.
Im lvl 92, and my vita is 482 with +stats.
Speederländer
07-03-2006, 04:54
4088 life
5.9k Chaos (enigma build, dont know dmg with bramble as armor)
4k trap
23k AR (with demon limb ench)
2k def
Something seems off.
You're getting 5.9K whirl damage with enigma, you have approximately 4100 life, and a 4K trap....
This is all simultaneously and with your standard dueling build or is this a composite of your anti-melee build, your anti-caster build and whatever else?
What level venom and sentry with equipment are you sporting and what is your FHR, resist, physical damage reduction, block, and fastcast rate? Is this with field-castable venom and fade or do you pre-buff from your stash?
Your numbers may all be fine, but without running them myself I'm not sure how you get all of these great values simultaneously. I suspect there are significant sacrifices not reflected in the stats you listed.
Speederländer
07-03-2006, 09:36
4088 life
5.9k Chaos (enigma build, dont know dmg with bramble as armor)
4k trap
23k AR (with demon limb ench)
2k def
Yeah, the more I think about it, this seems off. I also have an enigma ww-sin set up and she is sporting lvl 50 venom with the typical boost from trangs gloves. She gets 3728 ww damage on her chaos hand. Yet you are getting 5900 damage...wearing enigma? That's 2200 damage more (assuming you are giving post PLR penalty conversion numbers). From where? Those are lower-end bramble sin damage levels. You can't get those numbers wearing enigma without heavy pre-buffing or unless you have something else going on, like mass 3/20/20 scs. Are you packing an inventory of max damage small charms? If so, then the issue of block levels, resists, fastcast, hit recovery, and physical damage reduction really become an issue and put such numbers, that appear great at first glance, into a somewhat different perspective.
Yeah, the more I think about it, this seems off. I also have an enigma ww-sin set up and she is sporting lvl 50 venom with the typical boost from trangs gloves. She gets 3728 ww damage on her chaos hand. Yet you are getting 5900 damage...wearing enigma? That's 2200 damage more (assuming you are giving post PLR penalty conversion numbers). From where? Those are lower-end bramble sin damage levels. You can't get those numbers wearing enigma without heavy pre-buffing or unless you have something else going on, like mass 3/20/20 scs. Are you packing an inventory of max damage small charms? If so, then the issue of block levels, resists, fastcast, hit recovery, and physical damage reduction really become an issue and put such numbers, that appear great at first glance, into a somewhat different perspective.
hmm i woukd get abouit 3.8k with life becasue my base stats in life is like 400 but that if i get a better cta and charms. Also maybe he worked that dmg out when u include pvp penalty, i.e psn lenght in hell and when using trang gloves the psn is added 2 times.
Yeah, the more I think about it, this seems off. I also have an enigma ww-sin set up and she is sporting lvl 50 venom with the typical boost from trangs gloves. She gets 3728 ww damage on her chaos hand. Yet you are getting 5900 damage...wearing enigma? That's 2200 damage more (assuming you are giving post PLR penalty conversion numbers). From where? Those are lower-end bramble sin damage levels. You can't get those numbers wearing enigma without heavy pre-buffing or unless you have something else going on, like mass 3/20/20 scs. Are you packing an inventory of max damage small charms? If so, then the issue of block levels, resists, fastcast, hit recovery, and physical damage reduction really become an issue and put such numbers, that appear great at first glance, into a somewhat different perspective.
hmm i woukd get abouit 3.8k with life becasue my base stats in life is like 400 but that if i get a better cta and charms. Also maybe he worked that dmg out when u include pvp penalty, i.e psn lenght in hell and when using trang gloves the psn is added 2 times.
Yeah, the more I think about it, this seems off. I also have an enigma ww-sin set up and she is sporting lvl 50 venom with the typical boost from trangs gloves. She gets 3728 ww damage on her chaos hand. Yet you are getting 5900 damage...wearing enigma? That's 2200 damage more (assuming you are giving post PLR penalty conversion numbers). From where? Those are lower-end bramble sin damage levels. You can't get those numbers wearing enigma without heavy pre-buffing or unless you have something else going on, like mass 3/20/20 scs. Are you packing an inventory of max damage small charms? If so, then the issue of block levels, resists, fastcast, hit recovery, and physical damage reduction really become an issue and put such numbers, that appear great at first glance, into a somewhat different perspective.
hmm i woukd get abouit 3.8k with life becasue my base stats in life is like 400 but that if i get a better cta and charms. Also maybe he worked that dmg out when u include pvp penalty, i.e psn lenght in hell and when using trang gloves the psn is added 2 times.
Speederländer
08-03-2006, 01:15
hmm i woukd get abouit 3.8k with life becasue my base stats in life is like 400 but that if i get a better cta and charms. Also maybe he worked that dmg out when u include pvp penalty, i.e psn lenght in hell and when using trang gloves the psn is added 2 times.
Yeah, but if you are giving fully converted poison numbers (i.e. after PLR and including 2x trang application) you have to state this, as most people assume the number stated is the number shown in the character stat screen (i.e. without PLR conversion and including only the casting component of the trangs) unless otherwise stated.
Hurtmeister
08-03-2006, 02:36
This is with prebuffing of course, level 55 venom, LS lvl cant remember. Can check it out for you tomorrow if you want.
Prebuff EQ:
3 Shadow helm (10% psn)
2x 6 Venom claws (10% psn each claw)
46% Bramble
3 Shadow amu
Trang gloves
Bug belt (dunno if i may mention this in forums but ive seen posts containing 1.08 items so)
2x SoJ's
Only thing that could improve this is perfect bramble and Shadow dancers, but they have too high str req to use in prebuff)
Dueling EQ:
CoA 14/28 (UmUm)
Angelic amu
Chaos 332% +3 LS +3 DF +1 WoI
Fury +3 LS +1 MB
Enigma Archon 14% +770
Trang gloves
2x Angelic rings (mostly, sometimes raven 20/250)
Shadow Dancers 2/25
Bug Belt
Switch: CTA 6/6/1 + Spirit
Inventory:
9x Shadow skillers life
Torch 20/17
Anni 19/17/7
8x 32020
2x 20/5
52 (75 cold) all resist in hell without Fade
30% FHR, switching charms if I want more
FCR 25%, rarely use tele so I feel like this is enough
Block 60%
DR is at max
Speederländer
08-03-2006, 02:47
This is with prebuffing of course, level 55 venom, LS lvl cant remember. Can check it out for you tomorrow if you want.
Prebuff EQ:
3 Shadow helm (10% psn)
2x 6 Venom claws (10% psn each claw)
46% Bramble
3 Shadow amu
Trang gloves
Bug belt (dunno if i may mention this in forums but ive seen posts containing 1.08 items so)
2x SoJ's
Only thing that could improve this is perfect bramble and Shadow dancers, but they have too high str req to use in prebuff)
Dueling EQ:
CoA 14/28 (UmUm)
Angelic amu
Chaos 332% +3 LS +3 DF +1 WoI
Fury +3 LS +1 MB
Enigma Archon 14% +770
Trang gloves
2x Angelic rings (mostly, sometimes raven 20/250)
Shadow Dancers 2/25
Bug Belt
Switch: CTA 6/6/1 + Spirit
Inventory:
9x Shadow skillers life
Torch 20/17
Anni 19/17/7
8x 32020
2x 20/5
52 (75 cold) all resist in hell without Fade
30% FHR, switching charms if I want more
FCR 25%, rarely use tele so I feel like this is enough
Block 60%
DR is at max
The pre-buffing explains it. Thanks.
Why u use enigma if never tele? I would use bramble instead for pure WW and dfly
Why u use enigma if never tele? I would use bramble instead for pure WW and dfly
Hurtmeister
08-03-2006, 16:02
Well teleport is not the only good mod on Enigma; Strenght bonus, Life, DR, FRW, 2 all skills.
Hurtmeister
08-03-2006, 16:02
Well teleport is not the only good mod on Enigma; Strenght bonus, Life, DR, FRW, 2 all skills.
Hurtmeister
08-03-2006, 16:02
Well teleport is not the only good mod on Enigma; Strenght bonus, Life, DR, FRW, 2 all skills.
Why u use enigma if never tele? I would use bramble instead for pure WW and dfly
just as hurtmeister said also df is slower and also can not be maintained if the char is off screen.
Hurtmeister
08-03-2006, 17:08
whats up with the forums? cant see any post except here in reply mode :S I'll quote from my lost post.
"Well teleport is not the only good mod on Enigma; Strenght bonus, Life, DR, FRW, 2 all skills."
Archedgar
09-03-2006, 04:22
I'm not very knowledgeble when it comes to Assasin stats, but it seems that some people here have high health and damage.
How do you guys fare in pvp with these characters? what enemies give you trouble? Hammerdins? wind druids? WW barbs?...
I have a friend who seems to think Assasins can't hold their own in pvp, so it would be nice to try and get some good stats like the ones posted here to teach him a few new ways to have a corpse run...
Why u use enigma if never tele?
frw, +str, 8% dr, defense, and to be able to tele when needed, i assume.
Hurtmeister
09-03-2006, 18:29
whats up with the forums? cant see any post except here in reply mode :S I'll quote from my lost post.
"Well teleport is not the only good mod on Enigma; Strenght bonus, Life, DR, FRW, 2 all skills."
Whirlwind Barbs can give hardwork but hammerdins + smiters windies and sorcs i dotn have much trouble against.
RetroStar
09-03-2006, 23:03
Why u use enigma if never tele? I would use bramble instead for pure WW and dfly
Why won't you tele. It's better than df imo since you gotta kick with df. So I prefer tele from enigma + ww right after.
dusksetter
10-03-2006, 03:44
kk my wwsins name is gremlins at lvl 87 she has 4 k life and 5.7 k dmg shes bramble and i DO NOT prebuff i use 30+ lifers and have about 10 k ar w/o enchant,because i could have those huge #'s but prebuff is bm in most dueling ladders and etc.. so have a good day thought id share
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