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zodiac66
03-03-2006, 21:53
Today Samara and I were engrossed in The People's Court when there was a knock on my door. Upon answering it, I found it to be one of my neighbors that I only know in passing. She had 2 sheets of paper in her hands.
The reason for her visit was there are 2 registered sex offenders in our complex. One is in my building and the other is in the building across from me. Of course I was concerened so I checked the Sheriff's site and she was correct. I called the sheriff's office to find out exactly what they were charged with. The guy in my building was gross sexual imposition upon a 30+ year female. Not good, but I can deal with that. Perhaps he just pinched her butt in a bar. The other man on the other hand was convicted of criminal enticement of a minor under 13. He is now 23 and it happened when he was 21 so it was not a statutory rape type of thing.
Upon asking the sheriff if I am allowed to post a print-out from the website, he replied "You need to speak with an attorney about that. Posting that could be construed as harrassment.".
I was under the impression that citizens were supposed to be notified when a sex offender moved into their neighborhood. I found out that they do not notifiy anyone unless you are signed up on-line to receive emails regarding the offenders.
There are so many kids that live in this complex. The parents are worried. Even though every one of the parents here supervises the kiddies while playing outside, it is still a huge issue to have such a scum living in our midst.
This is why I do not allow Liam to go ANYWHERE without me. Samara has to go with me since she is a toddler but Liam is getting to the age where he thinks he can do things by himself.
I kinda strayed off here, but do you think I should risk it and post his address and picture off of the public records website for all parents to see?
Well did the person who stopped at your door also go to all the other doors in the complex? If so, it sounds like everyone has been informed so you don't need to post anything.
Yes, watch out for your kids. No, don't assume that he's going to reoffend. Just because you know of a sexual predator in your building doesn't change how much you should watch out over your children as even if there were none it doesn't change the facts that there can always be sexual predators in the area that you don't know about.
Sir EvilFreeSmeg
04-03-2006, 15:55
There are three level 3 sex offenders in my neighborhood. I know what you mean. You just have to keep an eye out for them. And if you catch one of them snooping around, do what you think is necessary to protect your kids.
Remember, it is always better to be judged by 12 than have your kids carried by 6.
zodiac66
04-03-2006, 16:07
I always watch my kids, that is not an issue. Other people here do not. We have 5 buildings here and I was contacted by a resident in my building. I do not know if the rest know of the issue.
A few weeks ago I came home from the store with Samara and there was this little boy of maybe 7 playing in the courtyard by himself. Maybe his parent was not aware of the offender or maybe they didn't care. I was shocked that a parent would allow a child of that age to play alone.
As I said, there are other buildings here. I have always watched my kids like a hawk.
The pervert may not ever do what he did again..but then again, he may. It will not happen to one of my kids, but it may happen to someone elses. I don't think I could live with myself if I knew of that person and did warn others in the other buildings. I don't know if they have had a knock on their door like I did. I think it may have been limited to our building and to those who have children.
The Randy
04-03-2006, 17:17
there are three registered sex offenders in my neighborhood, one down the street, one on the next street over, and one a few streets back.
i live in constant fear. just kidding, i also have about 4 cops living in my neighborhood so i guess that that comforts me a bit, but people let their kids roam around a lot unsupervised.
I'm not a parent, so my opinion probably varies a bit from some others. I don't think keeping kids on lockdown mode, under constant supervision is the best way to deal with things. Of course, age is a huge factor, an 8 year old should be under constant watch, but when kids start getting into middle and especially high school, they should begin to be given more freedom to roam a bit. Of course, I also grew up in much more rural areas, it could be different in more urban settings, but in my experience, older kids shouldnt be kept on too much of a lockdown, they need to learn to be responsible for themselves.
There's too much hype about sexual harassment and offense, especially in the US. The stories I've heard about people being taken to court for sexual harassment are nothing but ridiculous. (a woman in a scientific insitute accused another woman of sexual harassment after a single quarrel) If you're seriously worried for your kids, come and prevent this. Teach your kid to fight back, whenever you see the guy talking to your kid, come and talk to him - real sex offenders are usually weak on psyche because of mental disorders - he will wet his pants if you talk right.
If you consider things I wrote total BS, I wont be in any way offended - we belong to different cultures, so no problem ^^
There's too much hype about sexual harassment and offense, especially in the US. The stories I've heard about people being taken to court for sexual harassment are nothing but ridiculous. (a woman in a scientific insitute accused another woman of sexual harassment after a single quarrel) If you're seriously worried for your kids, come and prevent this. Teach your kid to fight back, whenever you see the guy talking to your kid, come and talk to him - real sex offenders are usually weak on psyche because of mental disorders - he will wet his pants if you talk right.
If you consider things I wrote total BS, I wont be in any way offended - we belong to different cultures, so no problem ^^
BluzMan,
I appreciate where you are coming from here. People these days are taking advantage of our fears and making changes that really don't need to be made.
But I must say that your advice about confronting the offender doesn't really seem well thought out. Have you ever backed a dog into a corner? If you try you will wind up missing an ankle or something. The same could well go with a nut bag sex offender.
I suggest she keep her distance from this guy and continue warning her neighbors about him/them.
Drosselmeier
05-03-2006, 02:38
The guy in my building was gross sexual imposition upon a 30+ year female. Not good, but I can deal with that. Perhaps he just pinched her butt in a bar. The other man on the other hand was convicted of criminal enticement of a minor under 13. He is now 23 and it happened when he was 21 so it was not a statutory rape type of thing.
I doubt your children are in any danger. If Samara had been thirteen instead of Liam I would have been worried, but that second guy went for a girl and not a boy.
The first guy molested a grown woman, and there's no reason to assume he's going to go after kids. The secong guy tried to get at a young girl, but that doesn't mean he's interested in boys. I don't know how those things work, but I'm sure even pedos have sexual preferences.
Stompwampa
05-03-2006, 04:05
[QUOTE=Freet]...But I must say that your advice about confronting the offender doesn't really seem well thought out. Have you ever backed a dog into a corner? If you try you will wind up missing an ankle or something. The same could well go with a nut bag sex offender. QUOTE]
Acctually, i've read otherwise on this...most sexual offenders are of low self-esteem, many with mental problems, and many are very meak. The reason they commit sexual offenses is because they have power over another that they wouln't normally had.
I used to work with a guy who was 50 years old, and he had was a registered level 3 sex offender who molested and raped his two yound daughters, a younger boy of a family friend, and had countess charges of sexual harrasment on his record. He had the highest probability to re-commit.
He was the nices guy in the world...had I not been told about his past in a staff meeting before he started, I never would have guessed.
Anyways, a few months into his employment one of our spanish speaking dishwashers accused him of playing grab-*** in the walk in cooler. Luckily, or manager also spoke fluent spanish, so he could figure out what was going on. But this guy was a smooth talker, and he got out of it with only a write up.
Later, I heard him talking to one of our 15-year old hostesses privatley...which he shouildn't have been doing...he was inviting her to come to his birthday party at his house that weekend. (His birthday, was months away)
This girl had some depression and self esteem issues, so she was all for it.
I went to this guy and told him that he better "stay away from that little girl." because "i'm calling your parole officer after work." He tried to get smooth with me about it, and I just told him to knock it off. I called his P.O. that day, and talked to the manager about it. THe next day his P.O. came in and talked to this girl about what the guy had said to her. He was taken away in handcuffs.
I later saw his picture on the front page. He was going back to prison for life for violation of the terms of his parole (contacting a minor).
Lostprophet
05-03-2006, 07:40
I wonder, out of actual curiosity, what the percentage of sexual offenders who repeat is. Our system, largely, is built on the assumption that people, with help, can change. I wonder if this assumption is warranted.
Wasn't there that smiley with the magnifying glass?
HAMC8112
05-03-2006, 09:44
I later saw his picture on the front page. He was going back to prison for life for violation of the terms of his parole (contacting a minor).
I find this mindboggling, a guy gets released from jail. Than he gets send back for life because he talked to a minor?
HAMC8112
05-03-2006, 09:44
I later saw his picture on the front page. He was going back to prison for life for violation of the terms of his parole (contacting a minor).
I find this mindboggling, a guy gets released from jail. Than he gets send back for life because he talked to a minor?
HAMC8112
05-03-2006, 09:44
I later saw his picture on the front page. He was going back to prison for life for violation of the terms of his parole (contacting a minor).
I find this mindboggling, a guy gets released from jail. Than he gets send back for life because he talked to a minor?
Well, I'm sure my view is biased, but if you're a victim in your thoughts, you will inevitably become a victim in reality. Staying aware is, of course, needed, but staying aware and being in fear are two different things. You will be able to handle nearly everything if your kid talks to you about everything that happens to him, but limiting his freedom severely wont make him talk.
I have a habit of talking pretty radical (english is not my native, so smooth talk is abit hard to me) so just magnify your impression by 0,5 ^^
I find this mindboggling, a guy gets released from jail. Than he gets send back for life because he talked to a minor?
He was a repeat offender, with a high probability to rape another minor, and he was inviting a minor to his "birthday party." To me, that's sketchy. He also would have known full well the terms of his parole, and this was a violation.
I wonder, out of actual curiosity, what the percentage of sexual offenders who repeat is. Our system, largely, is built on the assumption that people, with help, can change. I wonder if this assumption is warranted.
Wasn't there that smiley with the magnifying glass?
I posted some stats from a page a while back about that exact question. Feel free to dig through threads if you're really interested. The long & short of it is, nobody bothers to do unbiased research on the topic, but the 'unspoken truth' is that the rate of actual paedophile molesters, particularly violent ones, approaches 100%. Sadly, this is because there is little to no attempt at correction, very little control or enforcement after release, and it doesn't do much good when there is any. Hence the ludicrous sentence by that VT judge.
Be careful how far you want to dig - most other hot-button issues, including homelessness, abortion, and homosexuality have plenty of junk science supporting them. Even the Holocaust deniers have a smidgin of legitimacy because Hitler destroyed the records, and the claims of 6M dead **** are not something that can be confirmed. You see the same sort of bull currently by people trying to claim Saddam had no WMD.
The waters are admittedly muddied by how sexually stupid U.S. society is, and the abusive nature of our judicial system. If you want to ruin someone for life, accuse them of molestation and drop the charges after the media gets hold of it "for the children's sake".
My opinions have drawn intense disgust in this arena before. I actually posted something supportive of another person regarding the alienation of affection in our society, only to find out the sick feck was a NAMBLA member. My (now) 4-year-old had an Aqualung-type sniffing around him in the mall (the monster-to-be didn't realize that my wife was watching). In Zodi's position, I would consider making flyers about the second offender, since you have a potential paedo offender to deal with.
Personally, I endorse lobotomies for violent paedophiles - hence my status as an inhuman monster. Our society is too weak-willed to enforce a death sentence, castration is laughably ineffective for a variety of reasons, and there is no punishment that would provide a threatening sense of immediacy to those desiring said acts.
Stompwampa
05-03-2006, 20:25
I find this mindboggling, a guy gets released from jail. Than he gets send back for life because he talked to a minor?
there's a no tolerance policy in my state when it comes to lv three sex offenders...they don't even get three strikes...if you violate your parole (usually only the conditions relating to you re-offending) then you go back to prison for life
Personally, I endorse lobotomies for violent paedophiles - hence my status as an inhuman monster. Our society is too weak-willed to enforce a death sentence, castration is laughably ineffective for a variety of reasons, and there is no punishment that would provide a threatening sense of immediacy to those desiring said acts.
there should be more ppl like you around...when it comes to the safety of our children, i think any mode of punishment could be deemed necessary, so long as it is effective...
HAMC8112
05-03-2006, 21:48
there's a no tolerance policy in my state when it comes to lv three sex offenders...they don't even get three strikes...if you violate your parole (usually only the conditions relating to you re-offending) then you go back to prison for life
Child sex offenders do not do their thing on a whim, it's who they are. So releasing one from prison on the terms that he cannot have contact with a minor is doomed to fail because of the offenders nature.
Why release them from jail in the first place, it's not like they get treatment there. Why do we expect them to change who they are by sending them to jail?
Stompwampa
05-03-2006, 21:51
Child sex offenders do not do their thing on a whim, it's who they are. So releasing one from prison on the terms that he cannot have contact with a minor is doomed to fail because of the offenders nature.
Why release them from jail in the first place, it's not like they get treatment there. Why do we expect them to change who they are by sending them to jail?
because the damn laws let them leave prison...there just isnt tough enough penealties for sex offenders, especially child offenders...
AeroJonesy
05-03-2006, 21:52
I find this mindboggling, a guy gets released from jail. Than he gets send back for life because he talked to a minor?
A guy actually got life in prison for stealing a couple thousand dollars worth of golf clubs. Three strikes an he was out.
Sir EvilFreeSmeg
05-03-2006, 22:01
Personally, I endorse lobotomies for violent paedophiles - hence my status as an inhuman monster. Our society is too weak-willed to enforce a death sentence, castration is laughably ineffective for a variety of reasons, and there is no punishment that would provide a threatening sense of immediacy to those desiring said acts.
I have a better idea. Anybody that listenes to Glenn Beck knows about Stu's incinerator idea. Round up all the sex offenders and keep them safely locked away so we know where they are. The caveat is we keep them in an incinerator.
On a happy note, at least their last act on Earth is to keep the lights on:thumbsup:
HAMC8112
05-03-2006, 22:03
because the damn laws let them leave prison...there just isnt tough enough penealties for sex offenders, especially child offenders...
If the difference between release and doing life is talking to a minor we schould keep them in for life or execute them to start with.
If the law says release them and after the next victim we'll keep him for life than that law is a bad law. There was somebody once who said something about a bad law not being a law at all.
Anyway, society doesnt do anything about it so that must mean that's its all ok.
DrunkPotHead
05-03-2006, 23:23
Go here (familywatchdog.us) to find out the best sex-offender info!
Edit: Meant to say: Find sex-offenders in your neighborhood!
Stompwampa
05-03-2006, 23:42
If the difference between release and doing life is talking to a minor we schould keep them in for life or execute them to start with.
If the law says release them and after the next victim we'll keep him for life than that law is a bad law. There was somebody once who said something about a bad law not being a law at all.
Anyway, society doesnt do anything about it so that must mean that's its all ok.
i totally agree
I think there's a reason they throw them back in jail for talking to minors. For instance, the fact that that is how they lure them into their homes.
there should be more ppl like you around...when it comes to the safety of our children, i think any mode of punishment could be deemed necessary, so long as it is effective...
I generally tune out whenever someone starts with the "won't someone please think of the children!" stuff, but you just said the thing with the largest slippery slope I've ever read. Can I punish you because I don't like the way you looked at my kid? Please?
myleftfoot
06-03-2006, 10:38
Any body see that reality TV show where 20 children and 1 pedo were put on an Island? Pretty ****ed up indeed.
I have a better idea. Anybody that listenes to Glenn Beck knows about Stu's incinerator idea. Round up all the sex offenders and keep them safely locked away so we know where they are. The caveat is we keep them in an incinerator.
On a happy note, at least their last act on Earth is to keep the lights on:thumbsup:
Actually, I'll slam you on this one. The flippant "death penalties all around" attitude harms the argument. While I expect actual lobotomization is too politically incorrect, I'm confident there's plenty of chemical treatments that would 'brain neuter' a paedo sufficiently that they would be no threat to children yet still be capable of pushing a broom.
Annie's right about the slippery slope as well - not only will you have ex-wives accusing husbands in order to get them neutered, but there's a world of difference between the way our laws are interpreted sometimes and the monsters. I can attest that there are plenty of early teen 'hotties' where I work (5th-8th grade US), some of whom I'd bet are going into NYC whenever possible and trying to pick up on boyz. "Honest, judge, I didn't know she was 14!" won't sound at all legitimate in court, yet easily could be.
Pitboss_2000
06-03-2006, 12:58
Personally, I endorse lobotomies for violent paedophiles - hence my status as an inhuman monster. Our society is too weak-willed to enforce a death sentence, castration is laughably ineffective for a variety of reasons, and there is no punishment that would provide a threatening sense of immediacy to those desiring said acts.
Ha! How can two bricks be ineffective? ;)
But seriously, and out of curiosity, what kind of lobotomy would that be? Is it the One-Flew-Over-The-Cuckoo's-Nest type (if that exists at all, no idea about these things) or is it an operation that removes/deavtivates the part of the brain that regulates libido and things like that?
If the difference between release and doing life is talking to a minor we schould keep them in for life or execute them to start with.
It sounds like it was not just talking to a minor that got him jailed but the fact he was trying to get her to come back to his place.
If he say went into a shop and exchanged plesantries with the girl behind the counter while paying for his shopping that would be fine i imagine, but if he repeatedly approached the girl to try entice her to come back to his place then that would not be ok.
From another forum a used to go on a little there was once this thread by some freak defending pedophilia and going on about the prejudices pedophiles face in day to day life. Through the anominity of the internet several people (who were obviously pedophiles) spoke with quite shocking honesty about their views which seemed to convey they had an honestly felt belief that children like sex, can consent and that it was unfair of society to prohibit child sex - even going to the extent of accusing people telling them that they were sick of being bigots. I always thought they knew they were doing something wrong until i saw what some of them said. It really scared me that they could see nothing wrong with their actions, that they even honestly thought they were acting in the childs best interest. Now i sort of see why there is such a high re-offence rate and why there is little effective deterrent to them. I would be very concerned to know a pedophile was living nearby if i had kids, but it is much better to know and keep watch than to be in blissful ignorance.
HAMC8112
06-03-2006, 14:57
It really scared me that they could see nothing wrong with their actions, that they even honestly thought they were acting in the childs best interest. Now i sort of see why there is such a high re-offence rate and why there is little effective deterrent to them.
That's why i posted before that releasing them in the hope they will leave kids alone is plain stupid, it is who they are, it is in their nature.
They are defined by their psychology, just as everybody else. It is like saying to the extravert intuitive type: use your brain! That certain psychological type has his analitical capabillity's in his sub-consience. You can tell him a 1000 times to use his brain, he is not able to think analitically with his consience mind.
But seriously, and out of curiosity, what kind of lobotomy would that be? Is it the One-Flew-Over-The-Cuckoo's-Nest type (if that exists at all, no idea about these things) or is it an operation that removes/deavtivates the part of the brain that regulates libido and things like that?Well, the Cuckoo's Nest style lobotomizations haven't been used for decades, because the results were very mixed. Keep in mind that these were the delightful practice of inserting a metal probe into the brainpan and making egg-beater motions with it.
With the advances in medical science and pharmacology, I would imagine there's any number of viable alternatives now. We regularly use drug therapy on people, but there's an obvious risk that paedo's wouldn't take medication willingly.
Draconis
06-03-2006, 15:52
Castration doesn't work because, for the people that you are most worried about, their actions are more about power and control than sex. Castration will just lead to them acting out the same dysfunctional tendencies in other ways, which are likely to be even more damaging.
Castration doesn't work because, for the people that you are most worried about, their actions are more about power and control than sex. Castration will just lead to them acting out the same dysfunctional tendencies in other ways, which are likely to be even more damaging.
Precisely - it is a physical mutilation that won't fix a psychological problem, and indicates more of a simplistic desire for revenge than anything else ('gene pool' jokes, etc.). Plus, how exactly can you castrate the female paedos?
There is a 55 year old child molestor in my town that lives in a house with a back yard that shares a common property line with the 3-5 grade elementry school. His last listed offense was when he was 49 years old, it was the third one he was charged with, but only the first he was convicted of. Out after 2 years of good behavior and is on probabtion until 2007. The good news is that after it was pointed out to the school they put up a fence along the entire line of houses (15 of them) so it is a long walk for the guy to get to his prey as he lives in the middle of the 15 houses.
I always thought that if I were to be that guy I would move, because to me it would be like working in a strip bar, see it every day and not be able to touch, I couldn't deal with it.
HAMC8112
06-03-2006, 17:31
Precisely - it is a physical mutilation that won't fix a psychological problem, and indicates more of a simplistic desire for revenge than anything else ('gene pool' jokes, etc.). Plus, how exactly can you castrate the female paedos?
Iirc castrating doesnt have to be physical anymore, there is such a thing as chemical castration.
Iirc castrating doesnt have to be physical anymore, there is such a thing as chemical castration.
Still doesn't resolve the root mental problems. Heck, there's probably a substantial group that would be more violent after such treatment.
I've not read the book, The Communist Who Ate Children but there's two movies about Chikatilo & I've seen both. His impotence was a driving factor in his murder of 50+ youngsters in the old USSR.
SaroDarksbane
06-03-2006, 19:47
Through the anominity of the internet several people (who were obviously pedophiles) spoke with quite shocking honesty about their views which seemed to convey they had an honestly felt belief that children like sex
On the other hand, I take it you don't know personally for a fact whether children like sex or not . . .
o_O
On the other hand, I take it you don't know personally for a fact whether children like sex or not . . .
o_O
I know you're playing devils advocate, so fair goes.
Personally I don't know first hand.
I do know people who do.
They did not.
DrunkPotHead
07-03-2006, 00:50
Did anyone bother checking the link I posted above? It's an interactive U.S. map of all registered sex offenders...
Castration doesn't work because, for the people that you are most worried about, their actions are more about power and control than sex. Castration will just lead to them acting out the same dysfunctional tendencies in other ways, which are likely to be even more damaging.
Ah, but removal of the testes limits testosterone and therefore aggression. Reducing their want for power and violence.
On the other hand, I take it you don't know personally for a fact whether children like sex or not . . .
o_O
Leaving the questionable interpretation of this comment aside, the point is that the paedos are predators on the innocence of youth, and that the youth are hardly qualified to make choices about their sexuality at the ripe age of, say, 6. :stuckup:
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