What the Hell?!?!?! My Kicker Sucks!!!

[remsy]

She actually loses to sorcs(albeit, they turn out to be very good sorcs with invisible blizz) but still!!

Gear:
Andariels Visage socketed with a 15 allres jewel
CoH(I know it's the wrong armor...*sigh)
Highlords(Yeah see above)
Upped Gores
P Diamond Stormshield
Um'ed Fleshripper
Dual Ravens
Verdungos and Tgods
6 Martial Arts Gcs, 2 shadow Gcs, 1 torch, rest of space with life, ar, fhr and frw scs.

I really want to keep the umed fleshripper in the build but everything else can be traded away.

Please help me.

[TarnishedHope]

The build seems fine to me, except you should probably take out Martial Arts GCs and replace them with Shadow GCs. Even though people like to use Martial Arts GCs to hit higher # of kicks with Dragon Talon, I personally still perfer a powerful venom. (heck, you can even prebuff)

Here are some adjustments you should make, from most crucial to the minor ones...

1. Switch out CoH for 40+% Poison Bramble.
2. You didn't mention your glove, but you should be using Trang.
3. Replace Andy Visage (err..) with Guillaume's Face (or Shako), and swap Up'd Gorerider with Shadowdancer. (your OW = overkill and is enough with Um'd Fleshripper. CB is not a priority in PvP, and Guillaume's Face replaces Gorerider's 15% DS.)
4. Keep Dwarf/Wisp rings in your stash if you don't already have. Have at least one of them on when you are dueling that specific class of sorc.

It takes some pratices to kill with Kicksins, even though they are famed as the best mage slayer. Even if you do master a Kicksin, you'll still be having some problems against Bliz and GG Nova sorcs.

By the way... Are you using Fade or BoS?

[remsy]

BoS

And it's not that I'm not killing enough.
I've killed many sorcs from level 75-94 but then some real pvp sorcs came in.

You know? The ones that don't try to tank a melee under any circumstance and teleport away immediately and I got them down to slivers of life sometimes but that's not good enough.

I need a guaranteed kill whenever a caster comes into a melee duel game to disrupt things and steal gold =D

What's the harm in keeping Andies though? If I take that off, I lose 15 to resists and you know very well that resistances are expensive on the realm.
And I thought deadly strike didn't work with kicks anyway...

And the gloves I was using were dracs.
The build was focusing more on the kicks than the poison.

[TarnishedHope]

BoS

And it's not that I'm not killing enough.
I've killed many sorcs from level 75-94 but then some real pvp sorcs came in.

You know? The ones that don't try to tank a melee under any circumstance and teleport away immediately and I got them down to slivers of life sometimes but that's not good enough.

I need a guaranteed kill whenever a caster comes into a melee duel game to disrupt things and steal gold =D

What's the harm in keeping Andies though? If I take that off, I lose 15 to resists and you know very well that resistances are expensive on the realm.
And I thought deadly strike didn't work with kicks anyway...

And the gloves I was using were dracs.
The build was focusing more on the kicks than the poison.

For some reason, I always think kickers are, in a way, WW. They really go quite well with each other, and I keep mixing them up. My bad there. :prop:

Nothing on Andy stands out for kicksin in PvP, except for 20% IAS/20-30 str. Since level 20 BoS + Highlord would, correct me if I'm wrong, hit DT max frame with Fleshripper. If you are looking to dish out actual DMG from your kicks, then you could even try a Dream helm instead of Andy's. (or Shako for HP)

Kicksin gets a good share of its DMG from Venom. If you are using Drac. for LT, then you can stick to your playstyle. However, if you using Drac. for OW, then it's really not necessary. 75% OW from Um'd Fleshripper is already enough for a kicksin.

By giving up Trang, you are giving up +25% pre/+25% on attack Venom DMG. It's possible for a kicksin to focus on both actual kicks/Venom. By simply swapping to Bramble/Shadowdancer/Trang/9 Shadow GCs, your Venom DMG will jump to a whole new level.

Let's say that your Venom is level 35 with 40% Bramble/Dancer/Trang/9 Shadow GCs/Highlord/Torch. Your actual Venom DMG that you are dishing out will be from to 2450.25-2484.7 over 0.4 seconds.

Now, if you use CoH/Gore/Drac./2 Shadow GCs/Highlord/Torch, your Venom level will be at 655-675 over 0.4 seconds. By giving up a little, your Venom's DMG would be roughly 3.7 times more than before.

If you are lacking resist without CoH, you can even consider giving up P diamond SS for a 4 P diamond Monarch or 2 P diamond Moser when you are against sorcs. Otherwise, resist can easily be made up with charms.

Did you tried MB/LS, then DF/DT? When you really can't catch up with those tele-happy sorcs, then ignore them and let them come to you. MB them when they get near, and follow up with DF/DT.

[remsy]

Primary skills are obviuosly dragon talon and dragon flight.
I use the dragon flight for windies, necros and sorcs. I also use it to catch the dude trying to run back to town before he dies.

Of course I almost always start out with MB.

When I get back, I'll check out how much poison damage I do right now before I fully invest in getting a bramble and shadow dancers considering these are all pricey things.

And don't make me laugh.
Since when was getting resist scs cheap?
But I will try upped mossers when I get the pul or try out the 4socket monarch with diamonds.

But I have enough in terms of gcs. I got some Ma and some Shadow.
I like have 6 kicks considering the kicks don't always hit. More is better than less in that case.

Also, which would be more effective, bramble or death's web?

[wizAdept]

And it's not that I'm not killing enough.
I've killed many sorcs from level 75-94 but then some real pvp sorcs came in.

You know? The ones that don't try to tank a melee under any circumstance and teleport away immediately and I got them down to slivers of life sometimes but that's not good enough.
You wont catch the good ones without enigma. Sorry.

For blizz sorcs there are two paths I gear myself up with on kicksin.

One apporach is a glasscannon setup, 102fcr with um'd deathsweb/spirit/trangs/circlet/arach/ring, 1 blizz (from a proper blizz sorc) will pk me on that setup (75res no stack 3k hp) but I can play without getting hit and get a kill quickly. I wouldnt recommend this unless you are good with setting up teleport so that you can namelock quickly and mb -> teletalon. This is not a duel to use flight in. Flight is slow and leaves you prone to getting hit, getting hit is death.

The other apporach is to stack resists so that you can take a few blizz hits. Damage will be lower but once you get a stunlock set up it's not a problem.
For this 2x raven is a bit overkill, and bm, but at your budget level you'll probably want to do that. Otherwise resstack is the way to go:
Um'd wizardspike
Kiras (cold res/ias socketed)
I use draculs with this setup and hit: 50% ow, 65% fcr, 75(wizzy)/100(highend kiras)/60(ss) coldres stack.
You can also use a 4psaph monarch instead of ss, but it counts as one piece sorb by gm rules, and there isnt enough stash room for everything on a kicksin. If blizz sorcs are really bothering you then try one out to bm them.

Once again teleport is a must for this type of duel.

[BrettTheJet]

I would just focus on venom and open wounds for damage. Dflight is still useful with enigma, I use it for another tele when I can get close enough to my opponent. It will usually hit if close.

I think fcr is more important than resists. You really need the speed, its all about the speed, if you do it right you will be untouched, and I think weapon block saves my *** more than resists, it is just to hard to stack all those resists IMO and blizzy sorcs can be beaten with speed and stunlock.

[remsy]

What do you mean Dflight is helpful with enigma?

No one has properly elaborated on this.

Are you trying to say that you teleport with enigma and use dragon talon or are you saying teleport with enigma and then use dragonflight?

One kinda makes sense, one doesn't but these are the only 2 options I can discern from your post.

[Speederländer]

What do you mean Dflight is helpful with enigma?

No one has properly elaborated on this.

Are you trying to say that you teleport with enigma and use dragon talon or are you saying teleport with enigma and then use dragonflight?

One kinda makes sense, one doesn't but these are the only 2 options I can discern from your post.

Enigma makes dragonflight a useful dueling skill. Without enigma, DF is a poor skill for PvP. People use DF without enigma all the time, but by its very nature (easily interrupted, misfires constantly, poor range) it is rarely all that its advocates make it out to be. With enigma, you can circle in to your opponent and then DF on top of them, with your shadow out you gain minion stack advantage. DF range is relatively short. Enigma overcomes this problem.

[Kosmos]

first of all vs sorc its better to use claws and the skill claw block cause it can block magic skills. 2nd of all use 9* shadow skillers to boost venom and fade and claw block.

This is a better setup.

Shako (sock with psn facet)
2 * chaos runic talons claws ( adds tons of magic dmg)
highlords (ds and 1 skill is nice)
2* ravens
Bramble
verdugo/ tgods
trang gloves (25% psn dmg!)
shadow dancers (2 shadow skills fhr and dex!)

skills:
max venom, claw block, fade, dragon talon and dragon flight.

Use this and you wont be let down :thumbsup:

[remsy]

I duel melee, I don't duel sorcs though.
I just needed a character that could discourage any of the sorcs that usually come into melee games to disrupt our fun.

Once I get that bramble...

[wizAdept]

This is a better setup.

Shako (sock with psn facet)
2 * chaos runic talons claws ( adds tons of magic dmg)
highlords (ds and 1 skill is nice)
2* ravens
Bramble
verdugo/ tgods
trang gloves (25% psn dmg!)
shadow dancers (2 shadow skills fhr and dex!)

skills:
max venom, claw block, fade, dragon talon and dragon flight.

Use this and you wont be let down :thumbsup:
lol.

/flame

[Kosmos]

lol.

/flame
ok and wht is wrong with that mr. wiseass

[wizAdept]

ok and wht is wrong with that mr. wiseass
Where do I start?

The largest flaw is that you wont catch any decent sorc without enigma. Sorry but DF is too slow and predictable, a good opponent can also always cause nonenigma assassins to have their flight fail on cast. Not to mention you have 30frw, how do you expect to catch anything? That aside..

You have 20 fcr, you expect to stunlock anything fast?
Offhand claw doesnt transfer to kicks. Having 2x Chaos is a waste.
Pure kicksin (c/c) offhand claw Jade with resist jewel is a good choice. (although you'll need a bit more ias for a fade setup)
Unless you plan on using a ww hybrid chaos is a waste on a kicksin, 25% ow/medeocre magic damage? come on. Malice = 100% (bos setup with replenish) Fury = 66% (fade setup)
Highlords = suck kick amulet. DS does not transfer to kicks. You want ias from amulet? Use cats eye. 25 dex = 75 hp before BO. +30frw is gg.

Your skill distribution is quite horrible. How much of a bonus are you getting for those extra points in fade and weaponblock considering the diminishing returns and the large amount of +shadow skills you should have.
Max flight is a waste. I tried it before, 1 point works just as good (actually better because your shadow doesnt suicide itself vs melee all the time with flight) and 19 points could be spent elsewhere.

I find myself repeating the same things again and again on these forums. X.x

[Rabbitz]

Where do I start?

The largest flaw is that you wont catch any decent sorc without enigma. Sorry but DF is too slow and predictable, a good opponent can also always cause nonenigma assassins to have their flight fail on cast. Not to mention you have 30frw, how do you expect to catch anything? That aside..

You have 20 fcr, you expect to stunlock anything fast?
Offhand claw doesnt transfer to kicks. Having 2x Chaos is a waste.
Pure kicksin (c/c) offhand claw Jade with resist jewel is a good choice. (although you'll need a bit more ias for a fade setup)
Unless you plan on using a ww hybrid chaos is a waste on a kicksin, 25% ow/medeocre magic damage? come on. Malice = 100% (bos setup with replenish) Fury = 66% (fade setup)
Highlords = suck kick amulet. DS does not transfer to kicks. You want ias from amulet? Use cats eye. 25 dex = 75 hp before BO. +30frw is gg.

Your skill distribution is quite horrible. How much of a bonus are you getting for those extra points in fade and weaponblock considering the diminishing returns and the large amount of +shadow skills you should have.
Max flight is a waste. I tried it before, 1 point works just as good (actually better because your shadow doesnt suicide itself vs melee all the time with flight) and 19 points could be spent elsewhere.

I find myself repeating the same things again and again on these forums. X.x

you forgot to tell him that the facet in the shako is kind of a waste...5% of maybe 900 damm isnt that good, and u could have put a 40ed/9str or something with ed/ias in it