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wromania™
24-02-2006, 15:32
doing a search, i found only long comments with already know things. I found only a "official" bowzon pvp quide (and this is best pvp char prolly..) where the author forgot ceglaw gloves - prolly best option for pvp zon).

1.i got a buriza, is that good for pvp? or is better hellrack? i dont think i can afford soon a faith, anyway whos the best bow, a deadly one?

2.about mercs, a offensive aura ill increase bows damage?

3. exist boots with ias? these should be best for zon

4. exist gloves with more than 20% IAS

5.wich helms have much IAS? sigon helm i forgot how much

6. 15 IAS is the higher posible jewel? Shaels ill work in bow?

Wmeredith
24-02-2006, 16:08
1. No clue which is better. I'm pretty sure you'll get owned either way without a Faith.

2. Sure, go for a might merc, but it's probably not worth the 50k to have him in the fight, he'll die almost instantly.

3. No, use War travs

4. Lazy. Look HERE (http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/).

5. See #4.

6. See #5.

Use the search function and check the stickied guides. This topic has been covered once or twice in the last 5 years.:thumbsup:

sorceressgod
24-02-2006, 17:51
cleglaw gloves are VERY VERY BM isn't it?...

wromania™
24-02-2006, 20:08
Wmeredith, oh not again that link lol, im kinda new and prolly lazy and i dont understand yet all things there. Iff ill see a Faith in trade window, before press "accept" i want to know plz what mininum/maxim damage have these bows usually or what i should accept.

i forgot to say i duel only when i see bad manners, usually i dont like to duel. So i use even pots in these real duels with spamers/scamers

with nigma teleing away and multi-shoting around i think ill win easy, but, right, i dont know yet if a tank enemy die or no by a medium (about damage) bowzon.
I dont think items with "defence against missile" ill help them

Omikron8
24-02-2006, 20:47
what's so hard to understand about enhanced damage calculations?

eg. grand mat bow 14-72 base

faith gives +330% ED

new min = 14*4.3 = 60
new max = 72*4.3 = 309

this is the new LISTED damage range on a faith grand mat bow

seriously look up whatever base armor/weapon you want on the official site (www.battle.net/diablo2exp) and do the appropriate enhanced damage/defense/whatever calculations

want to know what gloves give the most IAS? LOOK

enigma on zon = garbage, their cast rates are pathetic even if you stack cast rate items

use fort instead

wromania™
24-02-2006, 23:48
why fort? cuz no shield/resist? then duriel... anyway i dont want to be prisoned by a guy using Marrow. boots lol

All resistances +25-30 (varies)
Damage Reduced By 7
12% Damage Taken Goes To Mana
+1 To Light Radius
12% Damage Taken Goes To Mana
+1 To Light Radius)

btw, light radius really help to see the red enemy on map at a better distance (before he can see you?) sry my english

Omikron8
25-02-2006, 01:01
ahem

fort in body armor :


20% Chance To Cast Level 15 Chilling Armor when Struck
+25% Faster Cast Rate
+300% Enhanced Damage
+200% Enhanced Defense
+15 Defense
+X To Life (Based on Character Level)*
Replenish Life +7
+5% To Maximum Lightning Resist
All Resistances +20-30 (varies)
Damage Reduced By 7
12% Damage Taken Goes To Mana
+1 To Light Radius

see that big fat +300% enhanced DAMAGE?

no light radius does not matter in pvp

if a necro prisons you fill him with arrows by shooting in his general direction

masterazn
25-02-2006, 02:45
ahem
see that big fat +200% enhanced DAMAGE?


Uh....no, but okay.


Here's a typical bowzon for PvP, they suck a lot since 1.09 so even this can get you owned.


faith mb
80/30 giant skull
fortitude
raven frost
stats/res/life ring
verdungoes
crafted gloves with 20ias, 2 passive, res, stats and other goodies
waterwalk
cat's eye


inventory:anni, hellfire, a mix of 3/20/20 or 383pdsc's, which are massively duped. This is how the best amazons pk anyway.

wromania™
25-02-2006, 04:54
but my document from internet show what i say for fort, where u saw what u say omikron?

why war travs are best for zon? cuz add damage?

wromania™
25-02-2006, 13:39
sanders boots arent good? with 100 AR, 10 dex and 40 fast run? and dont forgeT my precedent noob :prop: questions

CoRRuPt-OnE
25-02-2006, 18:03
@Masterazn: Why waterwalks? Gores are far more usefull.

Omikron8
25-02-2006, 20:02
where did i see that?

maybe the official d2 website (NOT THIS ONE) that was posted TWICE already?

CoRRuPt-OnE
25-02-2006, 21:34
Just to back up omikron on the armor. Look at the official website for d2

http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/runewords-110.shtml

Scroll down to ladder and then find Fortitude.

Also, when looking at what boots to wear for your zon depends on the ammy your going to wear. Cats Eye + Gores or Highlords + Travs are the main combos that people use and it depends which you like better.

Reasons:

Cats Eye + Gores
Can't beat the frw and ias and dex on this ammy, its just amazing. With gores you will gain that 15% extra ds and combined with a maxed crit which is around 70ish this should give somewhere around 78ish chance to do double damage.

HighLords + Travs
The ds + cs gives around 85ish chance for double damage and the +1 is somewhat usefull. Also, with a high dex build the 15-25 damage gets factored to around +300 damage.

Other boots like waterwalks and for cheap sanders can be used but they just dont compare to the other two.

phool
26-02-2006, 02:53
Without faith, give up any hopes of an ama killing just about anything in pvp twice in a row. Assuming you duel an actual duel game, you can BM as much as you want and you'll still get owned with the kind of gear it sounds like you have access to.

You may be harking back to the days when a simple pvp success formula was buriza+pierce+ga. If you don't know, this is now nerfed and ga doesn't pierce.

Travs are good because they add to the base damage of a bow, apparently. So if you have an edge bow 1-5, it's now doing 16-30 or w/e. After ed and dex bonus that's a lot, even with a less extreme example.

wromania™
26-02-2006, 13:33
i cant belive a zon without faith cant freeze/hurt any opponent, but fine, i dont tried. 1. What other bows are good?

2. I see war traws "add 15-25 damage", u say this is good? that mean if a bow have 2000 dam, war traws ill add only 25 (2025 dam) ?

3. is good to soket the bow with a p emerald/or saphire, or ill be little poison/freeze? ill use also four charms with 50 poison. Charms with poison or who add light damage work only for mellee or for bowzons too?
thx

phool
26-02-2006, 14:39
1. faith is good, and that's it for pvp. You really, really need that fanat. Try a wf, or even a 2sox fools cruel mat bow of quickness +3 (If that can even exist:cloud9: ), either way I don't think it'll be enough. The speed you spam arrows is the main priority, well above damage.
2. See the post directly above yours. To reiterate, no this isn't how it'll work.
3. Everyone that freeze is useful against will be immune. A Pemerald would make no difference whatsoever. 50 psn charms? I think you're in for a rude awakening. Having said that, I think duelling amas in pubbies to see how they play, ask to see their gear, etc would be the best way to start.
As for slow, this is extremely BM - if you die, don't expect to get your body back, ever. But gear like riphook, gut siphon, cleglaws, blackhorns and nos coil all have slow. Though there's no point stacking it past something like 50%.

Evrae Altana
27-02-2006, 03:44
2. The +damage on War Travs adds to the base damage of the item, which will then be multiplied by ED from all sources, so the actual damage increase is much larger.
3. Elemental damage charms also work for bowazons.

wromania™
27-02-2006, 16:10
thx, ill continue with some guestions, cuz is good to have a bunch of advices for all, in same thread

About dodge/avoid/evade, if i have 10 points in evade, but i put 1 point in avoid this ill increase the change to "escape", or this Avoid point ill "overwrite" evade and ill do nothing?

1. So is good to have at least 12 (after that the returns diminish) in each or only in evade?

2. Evade is "a chance to escape any attack while moving" that mean if u stand still he wont help?

masterazn
27-02-2006, 16:41
@Masterazn: Why waterwalks? Gores are far more usefull.

This is where the bowzons that think they are so good eventually find out they are not.

The reason why Gorerider is no good is because the mods barely do anything for a bowzon--the bowzon's damage is too low. There is a few basic guidelines to make an EXTREMELY good amazon:

-High Dodge/Evade/Avoid chances
-Very very fast run/walk speed
-Charms should all be for speed, damage, life, elemental damage
-3.5K life at leave
-Knockback


The reason I use waterwalk is because it has a nice dexterity boost and life boost (BO-able, mind you). A lot of people like treks, and someone use the duped 08 boots.


-masterazn

wromania™
08-03-2006, 13:47
i want to know, wich charms are better to use, psn? and how many 50psn need? sure u ill say 40, i dont need answers like this again...

what belt is good for pvp bowzon? i saw goldwrap only have IAS, ill try to upgrade it in cube with shael (i think)

wromania™
08-03-2006, 13:48
i want to know, wich charms are better to use, psn? and how many 50psn need? sure u ill say 40, i dont need answers like this again...

what belt is good for pvp bowzon? i saw goldwrap only have IAS, ill try to upgrade it in cube with shael (i think)