pvp smiter/foh

[Chlupululuu]

would a smite/foh combination work? i would focus mainly on smite and what is left into foh and conviction.

Already have the gear, its:
weapon slots 1:+3 foh 25/-25 scepter... hoz
weapon slots 2: eth exile, grief or last wish pbs
archon coh
cham'd shako
28 maras
dungos
2x bk rings
gores
dracs
p torch
anni

ok, i was thinking this build:
102 skills at lvl 90
14 for prereqs
20 smite
20 holy shield
20 fanat
20 foh
8 conviction

gear gives a total of 19 to foh and 12 to all skills
would that work? or would foh be so weak as to be a waste of points? what can i do to fix it? should i go for foh more? it seems too easy to counter by stacked res to max synergies and stuff... so i was thinking smite should be the main skill... tell me what you think

[jake007]

Smite/FOH is a powerful combo. It however does put a lot of demand on gears.

CoH is a pvm armor, use enigma instead.
So is lastwish, use Grief.

1pt in smite is sufficient with grief. Synergy FoH with the points.

Aim for the 75FCR BP with FOH, ditch the belt and glove, use trang glove / arach. Use a 35FCR spirit shield if you must.

[kavehtabriaz]

i have v/t pally oo. but how do guys bo??slot should be filled with pal combat gc there is no space for cta.It is very annying to go to the town and switch cta with foh scepter.so what u guys do?

[RetroStar]

Smite/FOH is a powerful combo. It however does put a lot of demand on gears.

CoH is a pvm armor, use enigma instead.
So is lastwish, use Grief.

1pt in smite is sufficient with grief. Synergy FoH with the points.

Aim for the 75FCR BP with FOH, ditch the belt and glove, use trang glove / arach. Use a 35FCR spirit shield if you must.

There's a difference between V/T and T/V I think he wants a V/T so pts into smite is good.

foh is timered so fcr doesn't speed it up.

also there's a good guide up by pravda. it shows optimization dmg for v/ts.

[Chlupululuu]

a couple more questions... with the points i have alloted, will foh be able to do decent damage to other players? and if not, will only putting one into smite and using a grief (and synergizing foh) still do enough damage to kill people with smite? also, the guide mentions that instead of maxing foh you can get more damage with some in foh and some in holy shock... does anybody know what the ideal balance is if i have 20 points to spend?

[Phyrexial]

a couple more questions... with the points i have alloted, will foh be able to do decent damage to other players? and if not, will only putting one into smite and using a grief (and synergizing foh) still do enough damage to kill people with smite? also, the guide mentions that instead of maxing foh you can get more damage with some in foh and some in holy shock... does anybody know what the ideal balance is if i have 20 points to spend?
Getting FoH up to around 4-6k damage is fine. Once you start getting below 4k max damage people will probably start ignoring it. That's a rough estimate, someone with more experience might better help you there.

1 point in smite with Grief is plenty to kill most players. Heck, with Grief 1 pt into Charge is enough to kill alot of players. Remember, most of your damage comes from Holy Shield when using Smite so if you are going to max that anyway you should be pumping out plenty of damage. The damage for smite comes from Holy Shield, Fanatacism, and Smite in that order from most to least so I would put points into them in that order of importance. The amount of Fanata you need will depend on how much IAS you need to hit max smite speed also.

As for the best FoH/Holy Shock combination, look around for a damage/skill calc. We're not allowed to post a link here though.

[hardnfast]

i have v/t pally oo. but how do guys bo??slot should be filled with pal combat gc there is no space for cta.It is very annying to go to the town and switch cta with foh scepter.so what u guys do?

It's all compromise, if you are using a FoH stick you might want hoz on switch for higher foh, but hoz won't boost BO from your cta so you would want a spirit / lidless on switch wich would then effect your foh unless you swap out both
wich as you say is annoying. (did that make any sense?)

I just FoH with my primary weapon, griefz and Upped HoZ. Yes I loose damage but I dont have to run in and out of town to swap cta / foh stick and with combat GC's and hellfire torch the damage is ok.

[RetroStar]

Getting FoH up to around 4-6k damage is fine. Once you start getting below 4k max damage people will probably start ignoring it. That's a rough estimate, someone with more experience might better help you there.

1 point in smite with Grief is plenty to kill most players. Heck, with Grief 1 pt into Charge is enough to kill alot of players. Remember, most of your damage comes from Holy Shield when using Smite so if you are going to max that anyway you should be pumping out plenty of damage. The damage for smite comes from Holy Shield, Fanatacism, and Smite in that order from most to least so I would put points into them in that order of importance. The amount of Fanata you need will depend on how much IAS you need to hit max smite speed also.

As for the best FoH/Holy Shock combination, look around for a damage/skill calc. We're not allowed to post a link here though.

When you're looking at 6k Foh, you'll expect a T/V instead of a V/T.

As you said, smite with one pt with grief is strong enough. That's why I recommend T/Vs over V/Ts anytime. Also with grief, you'll gain more dmg if you add to smite than HS.

[Chlupululuu]

ok, so im thinking this is gonna be skills now... tell me how it looks:
14 prereqs
20 holy shield
20 fanat
1 smite
20 foh
19 holy shock
8 conviction

with the gear listed above, that would get me both decent foh and smite damage, correct?

[RetroStar]

ok, so im thinking this is gonna be skills now... tell me how it looks:
14 prereqs
20 holy shield
20 fanat
1 smite
20 foh
19 holy shock
8 conviction

with the gear listed above, that would get me both decent foh and smite damage, correct?

As I said read the guide by Pravda. Also adding pts into smite adds more dmg with grief on.

[Jerion]

But retro, defense > that damage.

[hardnfast]

Defense is only usefull when dueling against AR based oponents.

[the boss]

ditch the foh stick, you either go more smite damage or more foh damage, choose one....

Use grief and Upped or non-upped HoZ setup for FoH AND Smite.

...exile is pointless because lack of plus skill(foh) and lack of block(HoZ owns) and sucky resists. The only good thing is the defence.

Foh stick is for pure foh pally(templar)
so just sell that and make a full setup character with infinity merc...

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

V/T is much more versatile than Vindicators or Templars. Require a bit more in gear though. Any lvl Smite / Fanat with a Grief PB will give you insane speed + damage, and whether you want to go FoH oriented or Smite or perhaps even 50/50, your choice.

[RetroStar]

But retro, defense > that damage.

but increase in def from putting those few pts into HS (for T/V that is) is minimal.

I can do a test on SP to show the difference, my guess is around 3-4k def increase?

But if you're a V/T you'll probably max it anyway.

[Chlupululuu]

im thinking i might go t/v instead of v/t... i already have the gear and dont really want to switch it, so, will the skills i posted earlier (1 smite, synergizing foh) get decent damage with the listed gear? I plan on switching between the foh stick/hoz and grief/exile when i smite or foh, and ill keep a cta and spirit in my inventory.

[blobswannabe]

Getting FoH up to around 4-6k damage is fine. Once you start getting below 4k max damage people will probably start ignoring it. That's a rough estimate, someone with more experience might better help you there.

1 point in smite with Grief is plenty to kill most players. Heck, with Grief 1 pt into Charge is enough to kill alot of players. Remember, most of your damage comes from Holy Shield when using Smite so if you are going to max that anyway you should be pumping out plenty of damage. The damage for smite comes from Holy Shield, Fanatacism, and Smite in that order from most to least so I would put points into them in that order of importance. .

no with grief the damage from holyshield is negligible. so fana/smite/hs in that order for damage. smite also increases stun length, but hs gives you extra defense.

[Phyrexial]

Yeah, forgot about Grief's properties. Before Grief, Holy Shield increased damage the most because it increased the base damage to be multiplied by fanatacism and smite but with Grief you already have a huge base so increasing the multiplier could be far more advantageous.

[Chlupululuu]

so do i even need to max holy shield? or can i just max smite, put 1 into holy shield and let the skills take it up to about 17, and use the exile's defiance aura for defense?

[Duelskull2]

definately max holy shield. it saves you a lot of points in dex, and less dex = more vit = more life.

[Chlupululuu]

i hadnt thought of the life aspect... anyway, i think im going to build it up to the point where it splits (max holy shield, fanat, ect, because im going to either way) and then test it out and decide which way to go from there. Im thinking im going to go more towards t/v than v/t, because i already have a pure smiter and i want a little variety

[RetroStar]

You save what? 10 dex from maxing HS? lol.

Putting rest into HS is pointless for a T/V.

[Chlupululuu]

ok, so if i plan on maxing foh and holy shock, with a grief, will points in smite or holy shield be better for me?

[RetroStar]

ok, so if i plan on maxing foh and holy shock, with a grief, will points in smite or holy shield be better for me?

For like the 10th time adding to smite will add more dmg. :rolleyes:

[Chlupululuu]

For like the 10th time adding to smite will add more dmg. :rolleyes:

i know that, i meant will the damage gained with that be worth the loss of defense from not maxing holy shield? will i die too easily? or will the defiance aura from the exile and the lvl 15 or whatever hs i will get from +to skill stuff be enough?

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

definately max holy shield. it saves you a lot of points in dex, and less dex = more vit = more life.
There's hardly any more dex saved by spending 19 more points in HS.
i know that, i meant will the damage gained with that be worth the loss of defense from not maxing holy shield? will i die too easily? or will the defiance aura from the exile and the lvl 15 or whatever hs i will get from +to skill stuff be enough?
Y - E - S.

[RetroStar]

By the way, to help us understand more. Make sure you know what you're making.

V/T or T/V

they are different. For a T/V, defense isn't a HUGE issue compared to V/T as you'll be charging around a lot avoiding attacks, whilst V/Ts go head to head for most.