Disappearing Runes

[JDLail]

I recently had 2 HR's disappear from one of my chars. I know it was
not a hack because the one HR disappeared during a gaming session.

I had 2 Lo's; 2 Ohm's, a Ber, and the Ist. I lost one of the Lo's and
one of the Ohm's. I am guessing that one the Lo's and Ohm's were
identical twins and that BNet detected that and eliminated one of them.

Does this jive with y'alls sense of how things work ?

[MegaVovaN]

Duped HRs are flooooding the Bnet. Don't trade for HRs unless you gonna make runeword right here right now.

[DimitriD]

hey i lost 2 JAH's.. yeah quit ticked off about that.. when i lost the first one i thought it was cause i was stupid and traded it away by accident.. but when i saw the second one disappear i was pretty angry...

so if i make the runeword right then and there it wont disappear?? even if i trade for a duped rune without me knowing

[Evrae Altana]

so if i make the runeword right then and there it wont disappear?? even if i trade for a duped rune without me knowingPutting runes into sockets is safer than having loose runes just sitting around. Note that this still does not mean they're 100% safe.

[mannyfresh]

Though this is not 100% guaranteed to work, it is much safer than having your runes disappear. Just enter a game, open a trade window with any other player, and leave the game within 5 seconds. This is known as "perming", and using this technique i have not had any HR of mine disappear as of yet.

[phillysteak]

Heres what I do to solve this issue... I've never tried perm'ing and never will as I do not want to rely on it. Heres what you do, !. You can figure out which Runewords you want, get the item you need and the basic runes, and save the HR's for last, once traded for them then make the runeword right away or 2. Figure out which item you need (For ex: Arachnid) and make a game pretending you have HR's for it, when someone joins, tell him that you have the HR's and come to a new game or whatever, once he is willing to do the trade for the HR's... now is when you go trade for the most likely 'duped' HR's then immeadiately trade for the item you require (Arachnid)


- thats what i do anyway, and i get both the guys in the same game, so i trade for the HR's then i trade the HR's for the item. That way you dont have to worry about them 'poofing' on you. Because most likely every or most of the HR's are duped unless you find them.

[Konfu]

Don't buy HR, find them or cube them, that's what I do.
99.999% of HR are duped anyway, so I wouldn't even WANT to buy them, whats the fun in playing with duped items/runs...

[kingdryland]

Try to do serious pvp on ladder without trading for hrs. Last august when ladder was very young I made Death by saving/cubing ,gul and vex aren't that hard to make anyway. Together with some half decent melee pvp gear (uped shaftstop etc) I attempted some pvp only to find out that every second barb/pally in those games was carrying forti/ebotd/grief/phoenix etc etc etc. It takes two weeks for the economy to be absolutely ruined.

[XoTick]

yea well got an um for a low titans figured something was up before i could even get my topaz and other um, the other um had gone poof

i hate that ****... makes me wanna dupe the um i do have ffs, since i should by all rights have my runeword done right now.

i hate cheaters/hackers/aimbotters/wallhackers may they all rot in hell.

[HalcyonLister]

Awwww man, I just traded last night for 2 hr's.... *sigh* Now I can't trust anyone. I hope mine don't disappear, it's taken me a whole friggen month just to acquire enough 'wealth' to trade for them.

[MYK]

Awwww man, I just traded last night for 2 hr's.... *sigh* Now I can't trust anyone. I hope mine don't disappear, it's taken me a whole friggen month just to acquire enough 'wealth' to trade for them.

It's funny to have an economy based on copied currency.

I never have traded for HRs, though. I've got a few that my friend gave to me and they're still sitting in my stash just safe as ever. I was sort of interested to see how long they'd last.

[JME]

Funny how people keep raising threads from the dead.

Ironically, this one is still quite up to date.:grin:

[Luichenwai]

how do you cube high runes?

[Gorny]

You can only do it on ladder, you need three of the same rune + a different gem depending on the rune being cubed, atleast that's the way I remember it.

[Andymc]

From Lem upwards, you only need 2.

[tikki]

isn't it AMN+? i cant cube 3 amns.

[GibItam]

From the arreat summit:
Diablo II 1.10 Transmuting Formulae
3 Thul Runes + 1 Chipped Topaz = Amn Rune
3 Amn Runes + 1 Chipped Amethyst = Sol Rune
3 Sol Runes + 1 Chipped Sapphire = Shael Rune
3 Shael Runes + 1 Chipped Ruby = Dol Rune
3 Dol Runes + 1 Chipped Emerald = Hel Rune
3 Hel Runes + 1 Chipped Diamond = Io Rune
3 Io Runes + 1 Flawed Topaz = Lum Rune
3 Lum Runes + 1 Flawed Amethyst = Ko Rune
3 Ko Runes + 1 Flawed Sapphire = Fal Rune
3 Fal Runes + 1 Flawed Ruby = Lem Rune
3 Lem Runes + 1 Flawed Emerald = Pul Rune
2 Pul Runes + 1 Flawed Diamond = Um Rune
2 Um Runes + 1 Topaz = Mal Rune
2 Mal Runes + 1 Amethyst = Ist Rune
2 Ist Runes + 1 Sapphire = Gul Rune
2 Gul Runes + 1 Ruby = Vex Rune
2 Vex Runes + 1 Emerald = Ohm Rune
2 Ohm Runes + 1 Diamond = Lo Rune
2 Lo Runes + 1 Flawless Topaz = Sur Rune
2 Sur Runes + 1 Flawless Amethyst = Ber Rune
2 Ber Runes + 1 Flawless Sapphire = Jah Rune
2 Jah Runes + 1 Flawless Ruby = Cham Rune
2 Cham Runes + 1 Flawless Emerald = Zod Rune

@ Tikki try again with a chipped Amethyst you should get a Sol rune.

[brokensvt]

The above only works on Ladder. You can cube UP TO Thul on NL.

[harrypotterbaals]

I just lost a ber, it had been sitting in my stash for a while. Yea, I should have made that engima a little sooner...

[GoldenBird]

Though this is not 100% guaranteed to work, it is much safer than having your runes disappear. Just enter a game, open a trade window with any other player, and leave the game within 5 seconds. This is known as "perming", and using this technique i have not had any HR of mine disappear as of yet.

...*sigh*...

I really think a sticky should be made of this:

"Perming" does NOT work. There is NO method to "perm" runes or items.

The safest you are going to get is to socket your HRs or trade them off for items as fast as you can. Or, you can cube up your runes, but that'd be a huge waste since most of the recipes are 2 HR + Pgem to make another higher HR (and in most case they're all valued the same, so you'd be wasting 1 HR).

[SeCKSEgai]

...*sigh*...

I really think a sticky should be made of this:

"Perming" does NOT work. There is NO method to "perm" runes or items.

The safest you are going to get is to socket your HRs or trade them off for items as fast as you can. Or, you can cube up your runes, but that'd be a huge waste since most of the recipes are 2 HR + Pgem to make another higher HR (and in most case they're all valued the same, so you'd be wasting 1 HR).

It really does need a sticky - especially since this site is so anti perm/dupe - it's disappointing I have to look elsewhere for the information so as to better protect myself.

Perming doesn't work - anyone who believes in it has been lucky that they've been "poofing" the runes of other people. Once they're cubed, I wouldn't worry - but the cost to cube is self-defeating. Socketing will prevent from passive ruststorm, but be prepared to say goodbye should an active ruststorm be run.

[Zerosugar]

This is why i don't trade..ever. Selffound only. This also means i will never own a highend runeword but i can live with that. I can't live knowing i might have an item gotten from a possible dupe or made from possible duped items. The perfect world would be a trusted group of people only trading selffound items between eachother. But that's never going to happen in any online community. Best bet would be to trade with rl friends but then again i couldn't imagine asking for something in return in that case.

[SeCKSEgai]

This is why i don't trade..ever. Selffound only. This also means i will never own a highend runeword but i can live with that. I can't live knowing i might have an item gotten from a possible dupe or made from possible duped items. The perfect world would be a trusted group of people only trading selffound items between eachother. But that's never going to happen in any online community. Best bet would be to trade with rl friends but then again i couldn't imagine asking for something in return in that case.

Not trading ever - you might as well stick to single player. In the on-line world, or the real one, people won't always be honest, and in either world there are plenty of people willing to deceive for their own benefit.

But on the flip side, you only hold yourself back. I prefer to keep self-found items often - but if I relied purely upon self-found items, I would have quit the game long ago. While I've found a great deal of what I use, I haven't found everything. Some things I find are of little use to me, but it can be mutually beneficial for both me and another party to perform an exchange.

I've still lost more to realm downs and temp bans while muling than I have to poofing - however, that's also because my main source of hrs is understanding and capable of replacing runes that go poof, and we both have enough trust in each other to know that we're not exploiting each other.

But even more so - the runes that have poofed on me have come from the same person. I never once believed he was at fault - with runes the only real in-game currency its no surprise that its duplicated so frequently. But just as he can't help but not know the legitimacy of the currency, there's just the simple expectation that somewhere in its life it was duplicated. But when a large portion of the money is fake, does that mean you should stop using it altogether - I don't think so.

[Zerosugar]

Not trading ever - you might as well stick to single player. In the on-line world, or the real one, people won't always be honest, and in either world there are plenty of people willing to deceive for their own benefit.

But on the flip side, you only hold yourself back. I prefer to keep self-found items often - but if I relied purely upon self-found items, I would have quit the game long ago. While I've found a great deal of what I use, I haven't found everything. Some things I find are of little use to me, but it can be mutually beneficial for both me and another party to perform an exchange.

I've still lost more to realm downs and temp bans while muling than I have to poofing - however, that's also because my main source of hrs is understanding and capable of replacing runes that go poof, and we both have enough trust in each other to know that we're not exploiting each other.

But even more so - the runes that have poofed on me have come from the same person. I never once believed he was at fault - with runes the only real in-game currency its no surprise that its duplicated so frequently. But just as he can't help but not know the legitimacy of the currency, there's just the simple expectation that somewhere in its life it was duplicated. But when a large portion of the money is fake, does that mean you should stop using it altogether - I don't think so.

But in the real world you get refunds :). And i never buy used goods. So getting scammed in rl is next to impossible specially using credit cards. Unless you buy stereos and TV's off the back of trucks. My 35 years on this planet and still going strong with no rl scams in the backview mirror. So your rl comment does not apply. As for playing solo. Since you can edit items and characters offline your point is moot. I detest cheating of any kind which should be evident when i say I'm not interested in trading. Sure i can stop myself from using them but if i want to play on open battle net im kind of screwed if i don't want to play with other people using editors. You seem to think that trading online is the only reason to play multiplayer. That's a pretty limited way of thinking. Multiplayer = playing with others. I can help people out or get help myself. Trading does not have to be part of that. It may to you. Again a moot point.

I must admit i don't understand your analogies with fake money either. I have never hold a fake bill in my hand ever. There are quite a few ways to check the money you have in your hand is legit in rl. The chances of getting a bill that is fake is pretty damn small even though the dollar is the most counterfitted currency in the world the chances you getting a hold of one is so small it's not even worth mentioning. Not so with D2s HR's. If you want to take the stance you just don't care because it has become a part of the game..something inevitable thats fine. Stick to that than absurd analogies that doesn't fit anywhere.

As for holding myself back. Like i said that's how i prefer it. The difference between you and me is i know my stuff is legit and i care about that. You don't know if yours is and you don't care either. That's fine but don't think for a second your way is better than mine. That's in the eye of the individual player..IE an opinion. And we all know about opinions..they are like %&/¤ everybody's got one.

[Gorny]

Also since perming - regardless of if it works or not - is supporting dupes and cheating, telling how to perm can earn you an account ban.

Please see the sticky in The Newcomer Forum on perming.

Fair warning.