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Looking for a good pvp build for a barb. From what I remeber barbs were the best for pvp. Are lances any good at pvp? Or shield sword still the best? :scratch:
CupOfTea
19-02-2006, 14:45
weapon/shield is good only in bvb, and lances are not good because of less damage output and less hits comparing to dualwield. But if you like make any barb you want if you prefer playing style over "owning in duels"
Cool- I will go sword/shield. What skills should I put in it?
Is wirlwind still used in pvp? I herd beserk is beter now.
Neurofuzzy
20-02-2006, 04:53
No, ww is the best skill in PvP. I suggest you try a BvC build.
No, ww is the best skill in PvP. I suggest you try a BvC build.
sorry i just rejoinned this game i dont know the terms yet. What is BvC?
Phyrexial
20-02-2006, 07:31
Most barb builds fall into the following categories:
Singer: Not terribly competitive, only really useful against some casters. More of a novelty build.
BvB: Barb vs Barb. Uses WW as the main attack. Using a weapon/shield setup for max block and sacrificing life for more damage and defense this build is made primarily for fighting other WW barbs but does decently against other melee as well. Not so great vs casters and other such builds. From what I hear, expect around 5-5.5k life and 6k+ damage with loads of defense.
BvA: Barb vs All. The all purpose barb that also uses WW primarily but has Zerk on backup. This is essentially the middle ground between the BvC (Barb vs Caster) and BvB builds. It can use a shield against melee/zons but can also dual wield effectively against casters. Depending on whether you lean more towards melee or caster killing you should expect around 6.5k life and 5-6k damage. No real weaknesses but you will most likely lose to a dedicated BvB since they have more def/damage than you do despite you having more hp. You also won't be as effective as a BvC in caster killing since you lose about 2k or more life.
BvC: Barb vs Caster. Designed primarily for caster killing this is basically a BvA with no points into dex for block so it benefits from having alot more life. This build can hold it's own against just about any build except WW barbs with shields. Even those you can use a Widowmaker against if you are good enough to avoid getting tele WW'ed. Getting WW'ed with a bow out = death. Expect around 7k+ life, more if you prebuff. I've heard of people with around 8k+ with prebuff on their BvCs if I am remembering correctly.
The weapon of choice for practically all melee barbs now is a Grief Berserker axe. When dual wielding, Grief Zerker + Beast Zerker is the way to go.
BvA: Barb vs All. The all purpose barb that also uses WW primarily but has Zerk on backup. This is essentially the middle ground between the BvC (Barb vs Caster) and BvB builds. It can use a shield against melee/zons but can also dual wield effectively against casters. Depending on whether you lean more towards melee or caster killing you should expect around 6.5k life and 5-6k damage. No real weaknesses but you will most likely lose to a dedicated BvB since they have more def/damage than you do despite you having more hp. You also won't be as effective as a BvC in caster killing since you lose about 2k or more life.
I cannot see how a BvA reaches 6.5k life unless he is like lvl 98 and prebuffs like crazy and has perfect gear. More like 5-6k with decent gears and no prebuff.
BvC: Barb vs Caster. Designed primarily for caster killing this is basically a BvA with no points into dex for block so it benefits from having alot more life. This build can hold it's own against just about any build except WW barbs with shields. Even those you can use a Widowmaker against if you are good enough to avoid getting tele WW'ed. Getting WW'ed with a bow out = death. Expect around 7k+ life, more if you prebuff. I've heard of people with around 8k+ with prebuff on their BvCs if I am remembering correctly.
Lol? A decent, non-pure vita BvC has about 6500-7000 life without prebuff. But I guess you are talking about pure vita barbs here. Also, BvC's do invest points into dexterity. I would say expect 6500-7000 life with decent gear and lvl, >7000 with perfect gear and lvl >95, and pure vita, or lvl 90 decent gear and crazy prebuff. Of course there are those who go pure vita, prebuff like crazy and end up with about 9k life.
Why would you add any points to str or dex on a bvc? You will need some if you plan to use widowmaker i think, but other than that, you should be fine with base if you are pure bvc. This is assuming perfect gear on west nl. East might not have the boots you need, I dunno.
Not all BvCs will go pure vita. Mine is one example, since I dropped points into str/dex to be able too switch up gears against certain opponents [GUESS WHO GAVE ME THE IDEA?].
mainaman
20-02-2006, 19:28
Not all BvCs will go pure vita. Mine is one example, since I dropped points into str/dex to be able too switch up gears against certain opponents [GUESS WHO GAVE ME THE IDEA?].
same here , but still i have about 6.4k life at lvl 91 and im yet to go to 94. anyaway this is more than enough to deal with almost any char as long as there is no lag ofcourse
My Barb is 49/49 str/dexwise. This allows me to wear widowmaker with Arreat's, and also allows me to easily wear all the armors i need to wear, since i don't use archons. Also, IMO, a barb who goes pure vita, is just dumb. Seriously, widowmaker has almost become a default to me when i duel hammerdins. It's just too effective to ignore. Also, with those 19 str tri-res boots you got, if you depend on them to wear something, you will end up never using gores, thus losing a little bit dmg.
My barb is far from optimal, VERY far. His grief is 34/341, his beast is 246/38, his coa is 28 dr 27 all res, his charms are mostly 17 life scs. He had 6203 life when bo'ing with coa and dual dooms. I find this enough for just about any duels. And my barb cannot even wear coa with dooms, so I miss that +1 all skills.
RetroStar
20-02-2006, 22:16
My baba has base str/dex and can wear widowmaker with arreat.
adding str or dex isn't necessary but it helps wear other gear such as fort and such. I don't find any needs to stick any pts into it. It purely based on personal experience, my baba kills 95% of pubs with his stuff. He has 7.4k life right now without prebuff.
I want to be a hybrid barb BvA... I dont know any of the weopens and armor requirements because I just started. Could I get a average attribute setup.
str:?
dex:?
Vit:?
:wink:
Phyrexial
20-02-2006, 22:47
I cannot see how a BvA reaches 6.5k life unless he is like lvl 98 and prebuffs like crazy and has perfect gear. More like 5-6k with decent gears and no prebuff.
I got the 6.5k number from a friend of mine, Kijin if you're aware if the BvB ladder duelers. He's a base strength enigma using barb with max block that decided to go into BvB but we all consider him a BvA because of his base strength enigma setup. His gear is fairly optimized for max life (CtA+BO stick instead of Dooms on switch for example) so your numbers may not come up as high. He's been #1 on the d2jsp BvB ladder.
Lol? A decent, non-pure vita BvC has about 6500-7000 life without prebuff. But I guess you are talking about pure vita barbs here. Also, BvC's do invest points into dexterity. I would say expect 6500-7000 life with decent gear and lvl, >7000 with perfect gear and lvl >95, and pure vita, or lvl 90 decent gear and crazy prebuff. Of course there are those who go pure vita, prebuff like crazy and end up with about 9k life.
If my friend's BvA can hit 6.5k I see no reason a BvC shouldn't be getting to at least 7k with similar gear.
I got the 6.5k number from a friend of mine, Kijin if you're aware if the BvB ladder duelers. He's a base strength enigma using barb with max block that decided to go into BvB but we all consider him a BvA because of his base strength enigma setup. His gear is fairly optimized for max life (CtA+BO stick instead of Dooms on switch for example) so your numbers may not come up as high. He's been #1 on the d2jsp BvB ladder.
If my friend's BvA can hit 6.5k I see no reason a BvC shouldn't be getting to at least 7k with similar gear.
Well I never said it was totally impossible, I just said that it needs like almost pure vita, or godly gear and high lvl. Ofc my pure vita BvC would have 7k life easily with the gear on my other BvC...
blobswannabe
20-02-2006, 23:46
I'm still undefeated in bvb and i use a bvc. here are some of my most effective strategies.
1.Jump the barb when he has bo weapons on.(this is how i get 99% of my kills.Hostile them and kill them when they are trying to bo)
2.Bait the barb and keep wwing through each other until you are both low on life then use a full rejuv. (make sure he doesn't have enough life to get to town before you kill him)
3.If it's a close duel use 1 life pot at a time and hopefully your opponent won't notice.
4. Use an enchantress or bo barb to prebuff yourself. I can't even count the number of times i've been complimented for my "godly" barb's ability to kill other barbs in 1 ww.
5. If the other barb uses, stone,fort, or any armor other than enigma. You can duel them tele+widowmaker style.
6. lastly you can try using spirit of barbs+bear.
Str:?
Dex:?
Vit:?
I dont want to mess up my attributes- so far I saved them and put 60str, 50dex, and some on vita... I plan to duel casters and melee.
i found this setup for a BvA off some post:
Stats: S 30, D 125 (for max block), V 420, E 10
Skills: 20 WW, 20 Axe, 20 BO, 20 Shout, 10 Leap, 10 Iron Skin, 1 into each of the 1 point wonders and prerequisites. Finished at level 99.
hmm should I make a new charater with this build?
Phyrexial
21-02-2006, 05:31
i found this setup for a BvA off some post:
Stats: S 30, D 125 (for max block), V 420, E 10
Skills: 20 WW, 20 Axe, 20 BO, 20 Shout, 10 Leap, 10 Iron Skin, 1 into each of the 1 point wonders and prerequisites. Finished at level 99.
hmm should I make a new charater with this build?
First off, you shouldn't plan for lvl 99. Very few people have the patience to do that and chances are you don't either. I see most people aim for lvl 94 which is more attainable and I believe that is when OW damage maxes out.
Second, here are some links that may prove helpful. The two formost barb experts on the forum aside from blobswannabe/mehatesmaphack/chris, moroj, and Luis had these posts giving some advice before they were both banned for various reasons.
mcm (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=354764)
blobs (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=346428)
Also, I heard that morotsjos had a guide up at d2jsp apparently for BvCs if you are interested.
First off, you shouldn't plan for lvl 99. Very few people have the patience to do that and chances are you don't either. I see most people aim for lvl 94 which is more attainable and I believe that is when OW damage maxes out.
Second, here are some links that may prove helpful. The two formost barb experts on the forum aside from blobswannabe/mehatesmaphack/chris, moroj, and Luis had these posts giving some advice before they were both banned for various reasons.
mcm (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=354764)
blobs (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=346428)
Also, I heard that morotsjos had a guide up at d2jsp apparently for BvCs if you are interested.
Thanks :thumbsup:
I was thinking of this setup..
20-BO
20-mastery
20-WW
20-Natural Resistances
I wouldnt realy need shout... only if I was going vs a barb or a pali or druid right? :laugh:
Phyrexial
21-02-2006, 21:06
I was thinking of this setup..
20-BO
20-mastery
20-WW
20-Natural Resistances
I wouldnt realy need shout... only if I was going vs a barb or a pali or druid right? :laugh:
20 into natural resistance is a bit of a waste as diminishing returns gets pretty harsh.
I'm still undefeated in bvb and i use a bvc. here are some of my most effective strategies.
1.Jump the barb when he has bo weapons on.(this is how i get 99% of my kills.Hostile them and kill them when they are trying to bo)
2.Bait the barb and keep wwing through each other until you are both low on life then use a full rejuv. (make sure he doesn't have enough life to get to town before you kill him)
3.If it's a close duel use 1 life pot at a time and hopefully your opponent won't notice.
4. Use an enchantress or bo barb to prebuff yourself. I can't even count the number of times i've been complimented for my "godly" barb's ability to kill other barbs in 1 ww.
5. If the other barb uses, stone,fort, or any armor other than enigma. You can duel them tele+widowmaker style.
6. lastly you can try using spirit of barbs+bear.
I am laughing blobs, nice post. :smiley: :wink2: :evil: :evil:
Btw, apparently they removed Morotsjos's guide from D2JSP. Too bad, it had setups for BvB, BvC and BvA, and it was a damn well made guide.
mainaman
21-02-2006, 23:18
Btw, apparently they removed Morotsjos's guide from D2JSP. Too bad, it had setups for BvB, BvC and BvA, and it was a damn well made guide.
probably he will make us happy by posting it here on that forum...
CupOfTea
22-02-2006, 12:02
Here is another d2jsp morotsjos bvc guide :thumbsup:
http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?act=ST&f=67&t=1432333
guide owned!
get it boon? kknp
Here is another d2jsp morotsjos bvc guide :thumbsup:
http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?act=ST&f=67&t=1432333
I am guessing you cant make a barb with that setup if you dont have str/dex items... Since I am new to Hardcore its hard for me to get the good items... maybe I should start a MF sorc?
Phyrexial
23-02-2006, 05:27
I am guessing you cant make a barb with that setup if you dont have str/dex items... Since I am new to Hardcore its hard for me to get the good items... maybe I should start a MF sorc?
Making a good barb on HC seems like it would be very difficult considering the items required to make one. MLD (mid level dueling) barbs seem fairly prevalent on HC though as their gear can be considerably cheaper. I would hate to lose an Enigma, Grief, etc due to lag or something.
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