Why there are so much IK barbs ?

[CupOfTea]

They come even into duel games. Thats very strange why people make them?

[Konfu]

IK barbs are good for pvm and mf, but if they go into duels = stupid.

[oneBlast]

put 40/15 jewels into all sockets, fill your inv with 37 max/ar/life scs , and you'll be surprised how many people will you kill :)

[Rangniheldr]

put 40/15 jewels into all sockets, fill your inv with 37 max/ar/life scs , and you'll be surprised how many people will you kill :)

Yeah a really good IK barb could probably beat an Botd 2 Hander, depending on how well both of them play.

Lots of people make them because the set is cheap, good, and the aura around the char appeals to begginers.

[Ididmephistosmom]

ik barbs are actually really good pvp if you know what you're doing

i killed at least 45 out of 50 duelers ive dueled against last time

many werent noobs

[Phyrexial]

ik barbs are actually really good pvp if you know what you're doing

i killed at least 45 out of 50 duelers ive dueled against last time

many werent noobs
I would beg to differ about the first and last statement. Most LLD casters can kill just about any IK barb, there is no excuse other than pure lack of skill for any caster using decent gear of similar level.

Bottom line, IK barbs don't have a chance against a decently played/geared opponent.

To answer the thread starter's question, the IK set is popular for the novelty. Most beginning players intuitively think sets would be very powerful due to things like the aura glow that you get for the completed set. The set is also fairly good in PvM so again beginning players assume it should also be good in PvP. Which it isn't. It's also very cheap to obtain.

[Aeonios]

Barb with shield > ik barb
Smiter > ik barb
Any skillfully built sorc > ik barb

[Zangeif]

You can't beat any caster without tele.

You can't beat any decent melee with IK set.

My level 30 fury druid can beat IK barbs.

[Neurofuzzy]

The reason for the existance of so many Ik barbs are:

- they are relatively cheap to build (maybe except for the armour, but even that is not really very expensive);
- they can be used as MF barbs;
- they work OK in PvM.

For PvP forget.

[Ididmephistosmom]

ok at first when i heard about ik barbs sucking in pvp, i thought "wow they do must suck then" until i went to a dueling game for fun

sorcs COULD NOT touch me, i had full resists, some absorb from rings etc, fully synergized level 30+ fireball only took down about 1/6 life of mine MAX

blizz sorcs were useless, i had CBF mod which did not affect me much at all, each shard didnt do much, and im not talking sorcs that had peasant crowns, im talking sorcs with occy, shako, coh, and all the rest.

smiters, i had trouble with a few (and thats cause lifetap went off in most occasions) but out of about 10 smiters, only about 3 could beat me regularily.

vs other barbs, not a problem, my massive defense owned other barbs, except this one level 90+ barb with botd thundermaul and fort, THAT hurt.

other than that, i was able to beat 85% of all pub duelers regularily, and im not even joking, you guys underestimate the powers of an ik barb, mine had 4k+ life at level 80 with just the set and only a few 19 lifers, it could handle on its own

i wish i could prove this somehow, cause im not joking.
too bad i deleted that character after i quit a few months after the patch release

[Phyrexial]

I can make an IK barb for you to your exact specifications on Open Battle.net. I'll let you host the game and I have full confidence I won't suffer a single loss even given the lag on my end. I'm sure anyone else on the forum would be willing to participate as well.

I'll use an exact replica of my online necro, I'll send you the file for verification if you don't trust me. 1.6k life with 4.5-5k spirit, max block. He's a very poor necro.

You were clearly dueling less than decent opponents though. Seriously, duel any decent WW barb with max block and you'll lose. You shouldn't even be able to hit a mediocre sorc.

[Ce Olba]

You were clearly dueling less than decent opponents though. Seriously, duel any decent WW barb with max block and you'll lose. You shouldn't even be able to hit a mediocre sorc.

Actually, a WW barb doesn't even need a shield. Unless you do not count BvC's in this. As lol, any BvC>The Godliest IK barb. since you got more life, more ar, more dmg (u do on 1 hand what they do on 2 hands), tele (even though not needed, but it's a nice bonus). Heck, if I would be just a tad more confident, I would swear that I could beat all IK barbs with Widowmaker, lol. Seriously, they are not for PvP.

As for the sorcs, I want to see a IK barb endure more than 1 hit of a blizzard from a more than decent blizz sorc (nw, df, coh, etc).

[jake007]

IK barb can be quite good against non-max block casters, and many amazons.

That's about it, really.

[Zangeif]

You will never hit a decent caster once

[Zangeif]

You will never hit a decent caster once

[Veilside]

IK barb can be quite good against non-max block casters, and many amazons.

That's about it, really.

from past experiences my wws bowama with 1k GA damage can tear apart any ik barb i've come accross.

[SicHalo]

no ik barbs dont cut it in duels i mean even 4k life is nothing special most non set dueling barbs do more dmg with one weap than an ik barb can do 2 handed.

[Uncle_Mike]

no ik barbs dont cut it in duels i mean even 4k life is nothing special most non set dueling barbs do more dmg with one weap than an ik barb can do 2 handed.


no tele = death unless you fight an unskilled oponent or are just plain lucky...

I have beaten some really decent non-ik barbs (not even mentioning IK ones) with my windy just because I had tele and they did not. Even high dmg and good charms will not save you.

Mike

[disc]

ok at first when i heard about ik barbs sucking in pvp, i thought "wow they do must suck then" until i went to a dueling game for fun

sorcs COULD NOT touch me, i had full resists, some absorb from rings etc, fully synergized level 30+ fireball only took down about 1/6 life of mine MAX

blizz sorcs were useless, i had CBF mod which did not affect me much at all, each shard didnt do much, and im not talking sorcs that had peasant crowns, im talking sorcs with occy, shako, coh, and all the rest.

smiters, i had trouble with a few (and thats cause lifetap went off in most occasions) but out of about 10 smiters, only about 3 could beat me regularily.

vs other barbs, not a problem, my massive defense owned other barbs, except this one level 90+ barb with botd thundermaul and fort, THAT hurt.

other than that, i was able to beat 85% of all pub duelers regularily, and im not even joking, you guys underestimate the powers of an ik barb, mine had 4k+ life at level 80 with just the set and only a few 19 lifers, it could handle on its own

i wish i could prove this somehow, cause im not joking.
too bad i deleted that character after i quit a few months after the patch release

sounds like one of those too good to be true adverts for hair loss or something, your joking right?

[ilkori]

Back in 1.10, there was a fairly well known IK dueler on the b.net forums. He used a teleport Ammy.

[MegaFlame]

Ik barbs are pointless IMO, if you can afford these 40/15 jewels, then you should use runewords as your gear. And without these jewels, my lvl 45 smiter can kill a lvl 76 ik barb.

[Ididmephistosmom]

you guys are ridiculous, i did not fight "noobs"

if you have enough skill to fight ( and whoever thought of the open bnet idea, 1.6k life and 6k spirit IS NOT A POOR necro) even duelers with good gear can lose to you.

sure i lost quite a bit, but ive won more times than ive lost with my ik barb, give or take

[Aeonios]

A barb without block will get torn up by any zon, and without tele (or even with tele) an ik barb will die very quickly to any well built pvp sorc. I'll be happy to show you my infinity sorc kill you with one charged bolt on east. Also any melee chars with a shield will kill you horribly simply by sheer blocking ability. Only newbs use sets because they see the stats and think it's good (which they might if they played classic previously), and like the 'cool' glowing aura. In reality sets are sub-par for pvp.

[Phyrexial]

you guys are ridiculous, i did not fight "noobs"

if you have enough skill to fight ( and whoever thought of the open bnet idea, 1.6k life and 6k spirit IS NOT A POOR necro) even duelers with good gear can lose to you.

sure i lost quite a bit, but ive won more times than ive lost with my ik barb, give or take
I believe I said 4-4.5k damage... A few quick examples of his gear:

+1 necro skills 19% fcr crafted ammy (made myself)
Wizard Spike (hel'ed)
Marrowalks (I need the dex for max block, I haven't rebuilt since they fixed the marrow bug)
5 pnb charms, plain
+3 BO CtA (self made with self found runes)

I would consider this gear to be on the poorer end of things. If I were rich, I'd easily have a better ammy and some of those crazy stat/res boots. A full inventory of charms would be a given. Do you know what this necro does in his spare time? He's my key hunter. :embarassed: The only expensive things on him are the Enigma and the rare +2 necro 20% fcr circlet I found.

Given correct gear he'd be looking at around 1k more damage and easily 500 or more life added.

[SicHalo]

im not doubting u but still tele is like a new phase in pvp u need it against any competent char. I mean i remeber one stage i was winning duels with my barb rellying heavily on dsyncing and name lock tele ww or long whirlwinds but even that is not good enough against someone that knows what they are doing. It used to fool the untrained or newbies but against good sorcs there was no chance it was more luck than skill if i pulled off a win.

[stoutewolf]

any char that loses consistently to an IKbarb should have a check on itself. the damage of IK set is crappy, it has no DR and you cant use a shield (which is autodeath vs any melee char or windy), and it simply lacks frw(40frw boots, medium armor) to be competent vs anything that teles/runs(yes necros/palas/assa can run too)

[tykily]

bottom line,
ik barb>monsters
ik barb >< dueling

i haev an ik barb myself very cheap it was my second character coming back from ban (8) and i personally think u guys r on crack
max resists in hell 4k life 15k+ defense ~15k ar and 4k+ dmg
sure its not a dueling specified character moreover a pvm but i cna do quite decently in duelz
in a duel againts my friend light sorc doing 27k it took 18 full lightnings to kill me i didnt get to hit him tho.. mad tele-er

[tykily]

bottom line,
ik barb>monsters
ik barb >< dueling

i haev an ik barb myself very cheap it was my second character coming back from ban (8) and i personally think u guys r on crack
max resists in hell 4k life 15k+ defense ~15k ar and 4k+ dmg
sure its not a dueling specified character moreover a pvm but i cna do quite decently in duelz
in a duel againts my friend light sorc doing 27k it took 18 full lightnings to kill me i didnt get to hit him tho.. mad tele-er

[MegaFlame]

Grief Zerker
Fort armor
Phoenix Shield
Eth Arreat
Dungos
Rends
Gore
> any ik barb alive

[Valvolux]

You can't beat any caster without tele.

This idea annoys me, what do you think ppl did back in 1.09 when dueling sorcs?
I'm not saying IK barbs are good, just that you don't need tele to catch a caster.

Megaflame you comparison is kinda pointless, you can get IK's set for pgems, whereas the items you listed cost high runes, like saying my car is faster than your bike, therefore your bike is slow and worthless.

Everyone knows IK's set weaknesses, but if someone wants to try their hand at pvp, why can't they?

[disc]

Everyone knows IK's set weaknesses, but if someone wants to try their hand at pvp, why can't they?

i dont think anyone here is saying ik barbs cant enter a duel game. The critisism of ik is that its unrealistic to expect a competetive duel vs an ik because there just plain crap at dueling equiped with ik set. Now everyone is entitled to their bit of fun bringing an ik into a duel game but its pointless arguing "my ik pawns in pvp" like one member seems to be saying. Basically they cant pawn anyone half prepared over lvl 40. ive got a lvl 49 pala and barb, any iks on europe want to test my theory leave your account. unfortuantly i dont have a lvl 40 or i would use that instead.

[xpumafangx]

I can see how a ik barb could beat some sorcs, vindacators, and what not. I also see how they explained it. But still ik barbs are not the ideal for dueling.

Valvolex is right. In 1.09 all you had to do to slalemate, or beat a sorc was to abosb her damage. If she ran to town then you won. It is just that simple. Now in 1.11 its alot easyer to duel sorcs because teleport is readly avable. But it is not your only option.

[Zangeif]

in a duel againts my friend light sorc doing 27k it took 18 full lightnings to kill me i didnt get to hit him tho.. mad tele-er

So you lost without hitting your friend once and you're using it as an example of why IK barbs DON'T suck?

This idea annoys me, what do you think ppl did back in 1.09 when dueling sorcs?
I'm not saying IK barbs are good, just that you don't need tele to catch a caster.


They used tele amulets. Also, comparing 1.09 to 1.11 is ridiculous. Casters didn't have BO, and there were no synergies, so casters on a whole were a lot easier to duel against.

The people claiming that IK barbs can win a duel vs. anyone decent are just delusional. I would like to call them "pubs" but in all honesty I don't even think that a IK barb can beat 25% of the pubby duelers I see. The only time I see IK barbs in games they are either claiming that tele is BM, that desynch is a hack, or calling people noobs for "running." They never beat anyone decent and they will lose to a good level 30. Maybe they have convinced themselves that IK barbs are good despite losing all of their duels for the above reasons.

[Zangeif]

in a duel againts my friend light sorc doing 27k it took 18 full lightnings to kill me i didnt get to hit him tho.. mad tele-er

So you lost without hitting your friend once and you're using it as an example of why IK barbs DON'T suck?

This idea annoys me, what do you think ppl did back in 1.09 when dueling sorcs?
I'm not saying IK barbs are good, just that you don't need tele to catch a caster.


They used tele amulets. Also, comparing 1.09 to 1.11 is ridiculous. Casters didn't have BO, and there were no synergies, so casters on a whole were a lot easier to duel against.

The people claiming that IK barbs can win a duel vs. anyone decent are just delusional. I would like to call them "pubs" but in all honesty I don't even think that a IK barb can beat 25% of the pubby duelers I see. The only time I see IK barbs in games they are either claiming that tele is BM, that desynch is a hack, or calling people noobs for "running." They never beat anyone decent and they will lose to a good level 30. Maybe they have convinced themselves that IK barbs are good despite losing all of their duels for the above reasons.

[Zangeif]

in a duel againts my friend light sorc doing 27k it took 18 full lightnings to kill me i didnt get to hit him tho.. mad tele-er

So you lost without hitting your friend once and you're using it as an example of why IK barbs DON'T suck?

This idea annoys me, what do you think ppl did back in 1.09 when dueling sorcs?
I'm not saying IK barbs are good, just that you don't need tele to catch a caster.


They used tele amulets. Also, comparing 1.09 to 1.11 is ridiculous. Casters didn't have BO, and there were no synergies, so casters on a whole were a lot easier to duel against.

The people claiming that IK barbs can win a duel vs. anyone decent are just delusional. I would like to call them "pubs" but in all honesty I don't even think that a IK barb can beat 25% of the pubby duelers I see. The only time I see IK barbs in games they are either claiming that tele is BM, that desynch is a hack, or calling people noobs for "running." They never beat anyone decent and they will lose to a good level 30. Maybe they have convinced themselves that IK barbs are good despite losing all of their duels for the above reasons.

[Zangeif]

in a duel againts my friend light sorc doing 27k it took 18 full lightnings to kill me i didnt get to hit him tho.. mad tele-er

So you lost without hitting your friend once and you're using it as an example of why IK barbs DON'T suck?

This idea annoys me, what do you think ppl did back in 1.09 when dueling sorcs?
I'm not saying IK barbs are good, just that you don't need tele to catch a caster.


They used tele amulets. Also, comparing 1.09 to 1.11 is ridiculous. Casters didn't have BO, and there were no synergies, so casters on a whole were a lot easier to duel against.

The people claiming that IK barbs can win a duel vs. anyone decent are just delusional. I would like to call them "pubs" but in all honesty I don't even think that a IK barb can beat 25% of the pubby duelers I see. The only time I see IK barbs in games they are either claiming that tele is BM, that desynch is a hack, or calling people noobs for "running." They never beat anyone decent and they will lose to a good level 30. Maybe they have convinced themselves that IK barbs are good despite losing all of their duels for the above reasons.

[Zangeif]

in a duel againts my friend light sorc doing 27k it took 18 full lightnings to kill me i didnt get to hit him tho.. mad tele-er

So you lost without hitting your friend once and you're using it as an example of why IK barbs DON'T suck?

This idea annoys me, what do you think ppl did back in 1.09 when dueling sorcs?
I'm not saying IK barbs are good, just that you don't need tele to catch a caster.


They used tele amulets. Also, comparing 1.09 to 1.11 is ridiculous. Casters didn't have BO, and there were no synergies, so casters on a whole were a lot easier to duel against.

The people claiming that IK barbs can win a duel vs. anyone decent are just delusional. I would like to call them "pubs" but in all honesty I don't even think that a IK barb can beat 25% of the pubby duelers I see. The only time I see IK barbs in games they are either claiming that tele is BM, that desynch is a hack, or calling people noobs for "running." They never beat anyone decent and they will lose to a good level 30. Maybe they have convinced themselves that IK barbs are good despite losing all of their duels for the above reasons.

[Zangeif]

in a duel againts my friend light sorc doing 27k it took 18 full lightnings to kill me i didnt get to hit him tho.. mad tele-er

So you lost without hitting your friend once and you're using it as an example of why IK barbs DON'T suck

This idea annoys me, what do you think ppl did back in 1.09 when dueling sorcs?
I'm not saying IK barbs are good, just that you don't need tele to catch a caster.


They used tele amulets. Also, comparing 1.09 to 1.11 is ridiculous. Casters didn't have BO, and there were no synergies, so casters on a whole were a lot easier to duel against.

The people claiming that IK barbs can win a duel vs. anyone decent are just delusional. I would like to call them "pubs" but in all honesty I don't even think that a IK barb can beat 25% of the pubby duelers I see. The only time I see IK barbs in games they are either claiming that tele is BM, that desynch is a hack, or calling people noobs for "running." They never beat anyone decent and they will lose to a good level 30. Maybe they have convinced themselves that IK barbs are good despite losing all of their duels for the above reasons.

[terpfan]

THere are so many ik barbs coz it's cheap.You can have the whole setup for basically 1 hr on east ladder. The vast majority of ppl on bnet are not rich.

[Zangeif]

in a duel againts my friend light sorc doing 27k it took 18 full lightnings to kill me i didnt get to hit him tho.. mad tele-er

So you lost without hitting your friend once and you're using it as an example of why IK barbs DON'T suck?

This idea annoys me, what do you think ppl did back in 1.09 when dueling sorcs?
I'm not saying IK barbs are good, just that you don't need tele to catch a caster.


They used tele amulets. Also, comparing 1.09 to 1.11 is ridiculous. Casters didn't have BO, and there were no synergies, so casters on a whole were a lot easier to duel against.

The people claiming that IK barbs can win a duel vs. anyone decent are just delusional. I would like to call them "pubs" but in all honesty I don't even think that a IK barb can beat 25% of the pubby duelers I see. The only time I see IK barbs in games they are either claiming that tele is BM, that desynch is a hack, or calling people noobs for "running." They never beat anyone decent and they will lose to a good level 30. Maybe they have convinced themselves that IK barbs are good despite losing all of their duels for the above reasons.

[Zangeif]

This idea annoys me, what do you think ppl did back in 1.09 when dueling sorcs?
I'm not saying IK barbs are good, just that you don't need tele to catch a caster.


They used tele amulets. Also, comparing 1.09 to 1.11 is ridiculous. Casters didn't have BO, and there were no synergies, so casters on a whole were a lot easier to duel against.

The people claiming that IK barbs can win a duel vs. anyone decent are delusional. I would like to call them "pubs" but in all honesty I don't even think that a IK barb can beat 25% of the pubby duelers I see. The only time I see IK barbs in games they are either claiming that tele is BM, that desynch is a hack, or calling people noobs for "running." They never beat anyone decent and they will lose to a good level 30. Maybe they have convinced themselves that IK barbs are good despite losing all of their duels for the above reasons.

[jake007]

double post: damn lag!

[jake007]

IK barbs are NOT as bad as Zangeif made them out to be. Admittedly it won't have its share in the PvP arena, but it has all the style packed into one package.

I used an IK barb for fun in the last few days, and I got to admit it's some of the most hilarious times in PvP. Even though there are far more loses than victories, it's challenging to beat someone with an underdog. I put on a wolfhowl on the IK barb to 2x the fun ^^ (and goes quite well with 'underdog' :D)

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/7286/bleh14tl.jpg
http://img446.imageshack.us/img446/3249/bleh29jk.jpg
http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/7209/bleh33so.jpg

All defeats, mainly because they're geared up duelers and both have max-block with SS. Occasionally you do get few spirit sorceress, trapper and druid ^^

Doesn't matter much, style > everything. A wolf with a golden glow is just sexeh!

I used up all the sockets with 'shael' runes. In wolf form, I'm able to reach 86FHR with 1 FHR LC.

BO, switch to wolf-form and put the IK helm back on.

[DarkMousy]

my mule kicker with SS/fleshripper can tank 99% of ik barbs with kicks =\\

[Zangeif]

Wow that's a lot of posts, sorry. It kept telling me "technical error" but I guess it went through each of those times.

[Zangeif]

If any ik barb would like to lose to a level 30, pm me.