Are pubby duelers the strongest?

[remsy]

I mean, if you think about it, they can thrive in the lawless land of public duels under any circumstance.

But the league guys and clan guys have rules that they have to follow so they pretty much know what to expect. They can then build accodingly without fear of any bm.:scratch:

[Baranor]

mmm interesting point....

you see, the thing is, the public dueller son sc have the same situation as any dueller on hc... whatever gets the kill is ok. However, sc duellers can fight without fear of loosing their chars... so I vote for HC pubbie duellers instead of SC duellers... and by duellers I mean the people that actually fight instead of stand in town.

[Rauth]

mmm interesting point....

you see, the thing is, the public dueller son sc have the same situation as any dueller on hc... whatever gets the kill is ok. However, sc duellers can fight without fear of loosing their chars... so I vote for HC pubbie duellers instead of SC duellers... and by duellers I mean the people that actually fight instead of stand in town.

how about the ones that actually fight to the death in hc? :smiley: I'd vote those as the bravest(as brave as you get on a video game anyway), still not the Technically best. Practice > all.



Something to keep in mind, is that the average clan is just as good at bming as the average pub dueler. Pub duelers isn't really a good classification though, because there are usually a few different types of people in them. Clans, random pvm people(mfers, etc), medium duelers(lack of gear or skill, usually not both), and good duelers all go to pub games.

I still say most clans are retarded to duel in nm, and allow 4Lo over tgods, but just because they are retarded doesn't mean they can't duel well.

[Baranor]

doh. since im of exactly the same type (i.e. fight to the death), I only consider those ;)

My ratio is about one of my duellers against 20 others... im quite happy with that.

[Phyrexial]

This depends on what you are asking.

If you are comparing the character builds/gear then of course the pubby duelers will be more effective than the league duelers in most cases. The reason being that the league restricts gear for the sake of balance, gear that is "overpowered" is banned. Pubbies will use whatever they can, usually that "overpowered" gear that is banned in the leagues. Clans generally don't have specific rules from what I've seen and are entirely different than leagues. 99% of clans on East for example are simply groups of duelers that duel in groups against pubbies or other clans with no particular rules. Most are BM in nature actually, moreso than your random pubby.

However, if you are comparing sheer playing skill that is different. Because leagues restrict the use of certain gear those players learn to play under a handicap against themselves and thus POTENTIALLY requiring them to use more skill or at least to see the game from a different perspective in order to win. Obviously it is possible for a pubby player to be better than a clan/league player also.

Bottom line:
- Gearwise public duelers will generally have more effective gear.
- Skillwise neither side is consistently better than the other.

[DarkMousy]

You have to take into consideration that alot of clan/league duelers also duel in pubs for fun/practice. The general population of a pub game is too diverse to be classified in such a way.

[blobswannabe]

BM clans who can also play well under rules are problaby the best. SInce they usually are perm unlike a lot of league players and they know how to work as a team ans use cheap methods to their advantage. They also get their skills and team work practice from private manner duels.

[mastermind]

BM clans who can also play well under rules are problaby the best. SInce they usually are perm unlike a lot of league players and they know how to work as a team ans use cheap methods to their advantage. They also get their skills and team work practice from private manner duels.

true not only this they can afford to be BM in pub plus they work well together as a team being able to take down a majority of chars with simultanious attacking.

Thats why in pubs u see alot of team-clan pub duelers owning most of the ppl in the pub

[xtc]

Ive got to say that most of the players who duel and have real nice gear, and know some good strats in dueling are the best.. the fun part in dueling is youve never dueld these people before. and dueling is like a box of choclates, ya never kno wut ya gonna get.

[remsy]

Ok, let me revise.

Can that ww barb or windy druid or bone necro that comes into a game full of level 90s and proceeds to steal everyones gold 5 times each before insulting your mothers and leaving better than the best of the best in the league games?

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

Don't know what you mean by "strong" since the food chain of d2 chars are interconnected in all ways, but not many can beat a Juv + Desynch+ Sorb HDins who keeps cubing up those nice fat purple drinks after each round.
Can that ww barb or windy druid or bone necro that comes into a game full of level 90s and proceeds to steal everyones gold 5 times each before insulting your mothers and leaving better than the best of the best in the league games?
Possible, probably in fact if their skill + wealth is vastly great compared to rest of the "level 90's".

Best in league games when up against a normal pub bm dueler, or even yet one of those bm clan member, will basically suck. League dueler "WtF? TGods + Enigma aren't allowed. And you're using too much cold sorb." Typical normal dueler "RoFL? i wEar triple wizzies."

I suppose an effective team of bm duelers will beat many in game. :shocked:

[kingdryland]

For me most of leagues that have strict rules (like euro pvp) are making a big mistake. The game is balanced as it is, there are certain builds that excell but none is dominant. In those kind of leagues,all those rules have as result that the common battle net builds are usually nerfed and a handful of others come in their place. What's the big deal?

[Rauth]

For me most of leagues that have strict rules (like euro pvp) are making a big mistake. The game is balanced as it is, there are certain builds that excell but none is dominant. In those kind of leagues,all those rules have as result that the common battle net builds are usually nerfed and a handful of others come in their place. What's the big deal?

The only real good rule Ive seen in any league(aside from standard courtesy rules like no nking, etc) is limiting absorb/max res. Otherwise you are basically down to barbs,hammerdins,windies, smiters, necs and maybe a few others.

But other than that, yes, the game is fairly balanced on its own. There is no need to make all builds suck just so the artic blast druid can kill someone.

[BluzMan]

Pub duels are not diverse (many classes just fail to exist due to heavy sorb, shapeshifters due to bone prison) and 90% of people there know nothing of duelling. Argue it or not, but 90% of pubby hammerdins tele on top of your windy and die repeatedly. Private duelling with manner and minimal rules on sorb etc allow to concentrate on the process itslef instead of trash talk.

Skill has a fery fun distribution in pubbies. Overpowered builds generally are underskilled in pubs (like those Bliz Sorcs that think they're good because they 1-hit Ko nearly everyone) Underpowered/hard builds, on the contrary, can be more skilled in pubs that in leagues as they are used to fight vs impossible odds.

[biko]

Well, if the people in public games were as skilled and rich as league players then yeah, they'd do better in duels... but most are not, and my league chars have a much easier time killing in pubbies than in league train games.