Thinking of starting a low dueller.

[theredpredator]

WOuld be fun to have one real character that could kill higher lvls. Atm im thinking of a charge paladin ofc. What should i wear?

Weapon 6 sock crystal sword(?) with 6 max dmg jwl.
Helm 3 socketed helm with max dmg jewels?
boots hotspurs
Shield: 3 socketed with max dmg jwls?
belt: enlighten me:)
Armor socketed again with max dmg jwls?
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Inventory with strength charms and resistance sc's etc. some max dmg ar sc's

any other advices?

[Matt]

WOuld be fun to have one real character that could kill higher lvls. Atm im thinking of a charge paladin ofc. What should i wear?

Weapon 6 sock crystal sword(?) with 6 max dmg jwl.
Helm 3 socketed helm with max dmg jewels?
boots hotspurs
Shield: 3 socketed with max dmg jwls?
belt: enlighten me:)
Armor socketed again with max dmg jwls?
\
Inventory with strength charms and resistance sc's etc. some max dmg ar sc's

any other advices?

Depends what level you're going for. I would argue clegs sword is better for a sub-27 1h charger than a 6os sword with max's. If you're looking to go under level 24, your best bet will be:
Clegs sword with max jewel
~65% ed, AR, 4os paladin shield, with 4x max jewels
4x max'd armor
CK boots (or Sanders if you're 20+)
Deaths sash
Bloodfists
3x max's hat
Angelic jewelry
Life and/or damage charms. larges of life at l9, smalls of life at level 10, smalls of sustinence at level 17, fine charms are l16 iirc, and Sharp/fine is level 21.

If you go to level 24, you might consider a bonesnap for your weapon. Slightly higher damage, no blocking, lots cheaper. Your call, the 1h build is prolly better, but a bonesnap will do if you're on a budget.

If you get to level 27, which I'd reccomend if you're planning on hunting anything much into the 50+range, you should be lookin like this:

60 max armor
45 max hat
60 max, 65%ed, 1xx AR paladin shield (crown shield is your best bet I believe)
Angelic amulet/rings
Sanders boots
Deaths sash
Bloodfists
Ethereal 'honor' naga (I suppose a non eth will work too, if you're on SC)
I'd probably go with 10 sharp grand charms and 9 smalls of sustinence. Ideally all would be dual mod fine smalls of sustinence, but I'm going to be realistic. Pretty much switch up the charms between sharp grands and smalls of sustinence as you see fit.

Alternatively, you can go with an eth honor lance or bec de-corbin, or an insight bec de corbin.

-Matt

[Jerkazoid]

insight runeword is neato
bec- not my first choice,,

recomend
rune staff for an all vitality charger with fair dmg
or the
eth partizan for the better dmg

[Matt]

insight runeword is neato
bec- not my first choice,,

recomend
rune staff for an all vitality charger with fair dmg
or the
eth partizan for the better dmg

Yea, good call on the weapon choices... it's been a while since I've been on D2, starting to forget the specific item type differences :shocked:

[theredpredator]

Thnx for the help. Im aiming to make a lvl 18 one. Would love to hear the reaction of a lvl 50sorc getting killed by a lvl 18.

What is a ck boot btw?

[pedu]

Cow kings boots. Theyre pretty nice :thumbsup:
I have a lvl18 zealer, we could get together sometime when your char is finished, if youre on europe that is :laugh:

[theredpredator]

Im europe yes:) Ill post here when ill reach lvl 18 and get the gear.(I have never ever seen a cow king hooves drop, so i hope some people have..)

[masterazn]

Your char will be minced meat at level 18. I really don't see how you are going to do any damage to anyone level 50+. One hit of anything by a level 50+ is almost always a sure kill.

[Baranor]

If the level 50 is decked out for PvP, yes... if he aint, well, *ahem*

Level-wise a good comparison was a level 56 necromancer with my level 16 charger... five hits it took, but down he went.

[tomatoman]

only thing to worry about vs much higher level charas is the chance to hit, make sure your ar is up there.
steeldrivers are also cool.

[Matt]

Your char will be minced meat at level 18. I really don't see how you are going to do any damage to anyone level 50+. One hit of anything by a level 50+ is almost always a sure kill.

Baranor and Tomatoman are right, unless the level 50 is also a PvPer, its a pretty darn good chance the 18 will kill it in short order....

[masterazn]

So this build is to go in other people's MF games or keyruns and hostile them to annoy them? Wow, good build.

[arbing]

make a level 30 hammerdin with insight charge at switch.
it does pretty well vs. people level 60 below.
it can even kill some unskilled dueler in 80s good equipment (grief zealer) blah blah.. etc. etc
does pretty well against caster with insight charge also.

[tomatoman]

So this build is to go in other people's MF games or keyruns and hostile them to annoy them? Wow, good build.
to go into peoples public games, hostile them, get them to fight you, and kill them.
people like you are lookin at the game through a tunnel

[aznbboi16]

So this build is to go in other people's MF games or keyruns and hostile them to annoy them? Wow, good build.
There are also other low level duelers around to compete with...

[theredpredator]

SO far.. Wouldnt it be wise to use geglaws swords AND gloves for the ar and dmg bonus the partial set gives? That plus angelic amu and 2 rings mean ill almost hit. Plus geglaws gives knocknack. Could be usefull when charging.

[swirlyrobe]

make lvl30 lld and get a grush

[Matt]

SO far.. Wouldnt it be wise to use geglaws swords AND gloves for the ar and dmg bonus the partial set gives? That plus angelic amu and 2 rings mean ill almost hit. Plus geglaws gives knocknack. Could be usefull when charging.
It's a viable option for sure, but most, including myself find bloodfists preferable.

[Konfu]

Can you get that many 30 max dmg jewels?
I don't remember what lvl req they have, but it shouldn't be that high.
Good idea btw, most chars will be suprised.
hat = 90 max dmg
armor = 120 max dmg
shield = 120 max dmg

wow, that looks badass on a low lvl dueler :D

[Matt]

Can you get that many 30 max dmg jewels?
I don't remember what lvl req they have, but it shouldn't be that high.
Good idea btw, most chars will be suprised.
hat = 90 max dmg
armor = 120 max dmg
shield = 120 max dmg

wow, that looks badass on a low lvl dueler :D

30 max's, vermillion of carnage I believe, are level 50.

[theredpredator]

Just thinking of what to invest the stat points and skill points? So far i decided it would be for the best if i put them only in charge and might. For stat pints... high vita?

[Matt]

Just thinking of what to invest the stat points and skill points? So far i decided it would be for the best if i put them only in charge and might. For stat pints... high vita?

For a pure charger, 1 prereq's, all in might, rest in charge, and yeah, dex for blocking, str for gear, rest vit.

[theredpredator]

Wouldnt charge be better since it does more dmg?

Anyways, first results:

Hardly died, killed a lvl 72 sorc, bunch of lvl 50's. lvls 40. lvl 30's. Lvl 20's are mine and lvl 10's are i hit kills.

Even tough my gear isnt that good:
Geglaw swords and gloves.(set bonuses ar and max dmg) Angelic amu and 2 rings. rare shield with some resists(need to really find a substitute for this. Helm some crappy thing again, need a substitute. Bunch of charms that ad to max dmg and ar. dmg 40-600.

Im thinking of getting a bonesnap for the hge dmg it will rbing with charge. Good idea?

[AzaZaz]

no, bad idea.

And the reason you max might first is because not only does it add dmg it synergizes charge and therefore increases the dmg i believe an extra 10% per level.

[Matt]

Wouldnt charge be better since it does more dmg?

Anyways, first results:

Hardly died, killed a lvl 72 sorc, bunch of lvl 50's. lvls 40. lvl 30's. Lvl 20's are mine and lvl 10's are i hit kills.

Even tough my gear isnt that good:
Geglaw swords and gloves.(set bonuses ar and max dmg) Angelic amu and 2 rings. rare shield with some resists(need to really find a substitute for this. Helm some crappy thing again, need a substitute. Bunch of charms that ad to max dmg and ar. dmg 40-600.

Im thinking of getting a bonesnap for the hge dmg it will rbing with charge. Good idea?

You really need to improve your gear if you want to compete against other LLDers, or competent PvMers. 600 listed damage is 100 PvP max, 200 if you get a critical strike from clegs. 200 max PvP is really not gonna kill too much. Like you said, change the shield and hat.

Whats your armor?

-Matt

[theredpredator]

Well right now i do 1.1k-1.8 k dmg with twitchthroe as armor.

I havent done bad. Been accused for hacker several times because i kill peoples lvl 50 characters. My high score is a lvl 83 necro.

[zergling]

omg best setup imo would be for a lvl 12-15
Double Swing Barb OR HOLY FIRE zealer

i hope u know how to build these...

2x Kalim's will with max jewels, or normal/flawless topazes, or 6 max, or gemmed crystal sword
Twitchtoe is must have for its ias
2x angelic ring, and the ammy for a hefty 75 life
sanders riprap(or whatever the boots are called)
either...
sigon gloves+boots
bloodfist+a good rare or unique belt(dont remember and low level ones)
death gloves+belt, i recommend this one.
2x ruby helms or a good rare barb helm
if ur a zealer your too low for a steelclash, so just find a stormguild.
should have insane a/r and damage, but mostof all, if u follow my bolded guide u require no strength, dex, or energy what so ever. PUMP ALL POINTS IN VITA.

[theredpredator]

Dual swing barbs are toast for me. As they dont have the chance to block, or even to ww, i just wait for them to run to me, 1 charge, dead barb. Yours i will crush as a bug. Tough it would be pretty sexy against any non charging, non running away like amazons chars.

Sorces with a staff and bowazons are easy toast as well. Killed a sorc lvl 85, a bowazon lvl 75. As to barbs, higher in lvl, they ww and have high defense so a low charger wont do much against them.

[Matt]

omg best setup imo would be for a lvl 12-15
Double Swing Barb OR HOLY FIRE zealer

i hope u know how to build these...

2x Kalim's will with max jewels, or normal/flawless topazes, or 6 max, or gemmed crystal sword
Twitchtoe is must have for its ias
2x angelic ring, and the ammy for a hefty 75 life
sanders riprap(or whatever the boots are called)
either...
sigon gloves+boots
bloodfist+a good rare or unique belt(dont remember and low level ones)
death gloves+belt, i recommend this one.
2x ruby helms or a good rare barb helm
if ur a zealer your too low for a steelclash, so just find a stormguild.
should have insane a/r and damage, but mostof all, if u follow my bolded guide u require no strength, dex, or energy what so ever. PUMP ALL POINTS IN VITA.

Theres so much wrong with this build, I'm not sure where to start... maybe the top.
-You can't have 2x Khalim's will's on one character, it's a quest item, I'm 99.9% positive you cant socket them either.
- You said "12-15", then "twitchtoe". Twitch is level 16.
At least you got the amulet/rings right:wink3:
-You must be thinking of CK boots, sanders are level 20.
-You just covered boots, and (sort of....) got it right when you said (meant) CK boots. Not sigons.
-Nope... not bloodfists on a DS barb or zealot, and not a unique or rare belt. Deaths combo.
-Nope, 3 socket mask/crown filled with jewels of wrath.
-Wrong on the shield too. Go with a paladin specific shield with 4x open sockets, something close to 65% ed, and AR, and put jewels of wrath into it.

As for stats, str for gear, dex for max block, rest vit.

-Matt

[sorceressgod]

hmm a lvl 50 charger isn't really gonna kill much people u do know...

[Matt]

hmm a lvl 50 charger isn't really gonna kill much people u do know...

How wrong you are, oh how very very wrong you are....

[disc]

hmm a lvl 50 charger isn't really gonna kill much people u do know...

my lvl 49 pala with a couple of points in charge kills most characters bellow lvl 70 one on one. builds i have problems with if i charge them are

average/competent bone necros
good bow amas
max block windys
ww barbs
ww sins
good fire sorcs


thats not bad for a secondary attack.

[theredpredator]

How wrong you are, oh how very very wrong you are....

Indeed. .

[DANIEL3RD]

Theres so much wrong with this build, I'm not sure where to start... maybe the top.
-You can't have 2x Khalim's will's on one character, it's a quest item, I'm 99.9% positive you cant socket them either.
- You said "12-15", then "twitchtoe". Twitch is level 16.
At least you got the amulet/rings right:wink3:
-You must be thinking of CK boots, sanders are level 20.
-You just covered boots, and (sort of....) got it right when you said (meant) CK boots. Not sigons.
-Nope... not bloodfists on a DS barb or zealot, and not a unique or rare belt. Deaths combo.
-Nope, 3 socket mask/crown filled with jewels of wrath.
-Wrong on the shield too. Go with a paladin specific shield with 4x open sockets, something close to 65% ed, and AR, and put jewels of wrath into it.

As for stats, str for gear, dex for max block, rest vit.

-Matt
Regarding paladin shields. Is it worth socketing 4 perfect skulls in a 4 socket shield for the 80 damage on striking? I am thinking of trying out a lvl 20 zeal paladin.

[Baranor]

80 return turns into 80/6 after pvp penalty which is 13.33333333.


So no, don't bother.

[DANIEL3RD]

80 return turns into 80/6 after pvp penalty which is 13.33333333.

So no, don't bother.

Oh well back to the drawing board. Thx for the reply

[Stevebo]

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