Max Damage Barb ???

[Jamezor]

I was going to make a max damage barb.
Anyone have any input involving 1.11 items??

Setup thought of


Helm -Arreats with a 40 ed jewwl
Armor -Fort
Gloves - Steel Rends
Weapon - Ebotd thunder maul
ring - ravenfrost
ring 2 - ??
ammy - ???
charms - ???

skills with be based towards a concetration barb i think

any input for equipment or skills, or any ideas on this
i basically want to do a ton of physical damage, mainly because i want to make the largest damage item in the game (feasible anyways we could have a 450 ed eth thmaul with added max damage but what are the chances of crafting that)


thanks for your input

[Ce Olba]

I was going to make a max damage barb.
Anyone have any input involving 1.11 items??

Setup thought of


Helm -Arreats with a 40 ed jewwl
Armor -Fort
Gloves - Steel Rends
Weapon - Ebotd thunder maul
ring - ravenfrost
ring 2 - ??
ammy - ???
charms - ???

skills with be based towards a concetration barb i think

any input for equipment or skills, or any ideas on this
i basically want to do a ton of physical damage, mainly because i want to make the largest damage item in the game (feasible anyways we could have a 450 ed eth thmaul with added max damage but what are the chances of crafting that)


thanks for your input

If you want absolute dmg, you will go with:

Arreat's 40% ed jewel
Fortitude
Last Wish Ethereal BA
Phoenix Monarch
SteelRends
Verdungo
Goreriders
Highlord
2x Ravenfrosts

And pure str, and lots and lots of +3 max small charms.

[Jamezor]

Ahhhhhh

didnt even think about using phoneix
that makes alot of sense

i was hoping to use the eth tmaul just becaue its so huge


is there a reason for 2 ravenfrosts???
i assume to give a ton of dex so i dont have to allocate stat points anywhere else

now to go with this
might merc with pride ca??
i dont think it gets beefer

[Ce Olba]

Ahhhhhh

didnt even think about using phoneix
that makes alot of sense

i was hoping to use the eth tmaul just becaue its so huge


is there a reason for 2 ravenfrosts???
i assume to give a ton of dex so i dont have to allocate stat points anywhere else

now to go with this
might merc with pride ca??
i dont think it gets beefer

2 Ravenfrosts because you want dmg, and the DS on Highlord is better dmg than anything, and there are no better rings with Highlord than Ravenfrosts.

Might merc with Pride. Armor and Helm do not matter that much.

[Jamezor]

Thanks for the input

Ill let you know how it turns out once I put him together.

[PhatTrumpet]

I don't think Last Wish is the way to go since you can just hire a Might Merc and stick a 'Pride' pole on him. Wouldn't eBotDZ (dmg, stats, leech), 'Grief' Zerker (dmg, DS), or even eth 'Death' Zerker (dmg, DS, CB) be better? Actually, I'm not even convinced that 1h/'Pheonix' would do more dmg than an eBotD TMaul on a Titan (110% str bonus) without doing some calcs (which I don't have time for atm).

One Ravenfrost is fine, but the other ring should be a magic Ring of Performace (+13 min dmg). If you've got ~1500%ed that's an extra ~200 min dmg (more than the extra 20 dex = 20 str from another Ravenfrost).

A Sharp Grand Charm of Maiming can get +14 max dmg, which gives more dmg per sqaure than +3 max smalls.

Now that I think of it, 'Grief' is probably the way to go since 20%DS is essentially another 20%ed after all other damage modifiers.

Just getting nit-picky. :rolleyes:

[Jamezor]

I don't think Last Wish is the way to go since you can just hire a Might Merc and stick a 'Pride' pole on him. Wouldn't eBotDZ (dmg, stats, leech), 'Grief' Zerker (dmg, DS), or even eth 'Death' Zerker (dmg, DS, CB) be better? Actually, I'm not even convinced that 1h/'Pheonix' would do more dmg than an eBotD TMaul on a Titan (110% str bonus) without doing some calcs (which I don't have time for atm).

One Ravenfrost is fine, but the other ring should be a magic Ring of Performace (+13 min dmg). If you've got ~1500%ed that's an extra ~200 min dmg (more than the extra 20 dex = 20 str from another Ravenfrost).

A Sharp Grand Charm of Maiming can get +14 max dmg, which gives more dmg per sqaure than +3 max smalls.

Now that I think of it, 'Grief' is probably the way to go since 20%DS is essentially another 20%ed after all other damage modifiers.

Just getting nit-picky. :rolleyes:


greif needs to be non eth though, which gives looses 50 percent ed right there correct???

even though since its + damage its not as big of a deal

btw how does ed affect grief, i was never really sure

eth tmaul = 270 base
with 400 from botd thats
1080 on the weapon itself

grief in a non eht zerker is
71 + 400 = 471
with 400 ed from phoenix this would be 1884
assuming thats correct
a zerker would be the better option i guess
the rest of the gear is that same i just wanted to compare the difference between the one handed option vs the 2 handed one

did i do this right?

[PhatTrumpet]

Ah crap, now you got me curious...

+400 'Grief' Zerker: 424-471 dmg
40 +3 max scs: 424-591 dmg
(40%ed helm) + (~500%ed str) + (400%ed shield) + (300%ed armor) + (~630%ed skills) + (~500%ed auras) = 2370%ed
2370%ed: 10472-14597 dmg
~70%DS: 17802-24814 effective dmg (21308 avg)

400% eBotD TMaul: 245-1350 dmg
40 +3 max scs: 245-1470 dmg
(40%ed helm) + (~580%ed str) + (300%ed armor) + (~630%ed skills) + (~500%ed auras) = 2050%ed
2050%ed: 5267-31605 dmg
~50%DS: 7900-47407 effective dmg (27653 avg)

TMaul wins... numerical proof that as you keep stacking ed it gets less and less effective. :tongue:

[Omikron8]

if you are looking for raw displayed damage then the ebotd tmaul will win

if you want best damage overall in a crowd and attack speed then use an eth botd great poleaxe for 2 more range and to hit the last breakpoint for ww

[Jamezor]

if you are looking for raw displayed damage then the ebotd tmaul will win

if you want best damage overall in a crowd and attack speed then use an eth botd great poleaxe for 2 more range and to hit the last breakpoint for ww


wouldnt the eth ghost spear be almost exactly the same
same average
same range
same attack speed
higher max damage??

[the boss]

Eth BOTD Archon Staff, the most stylish weapon in the game...

[Zalcitabine]

Why not use berzerk as skill with a 2-hand weapon? Much more damage output. Style points too!

Using the same gear or so than in PhatTrumpet's example:
Arreats (40ed jewel)
Highlords
Fortitude
Ethereal Botd THunder-maul (i would use eth GPA if style points/speed was involved)
Rends (60ed/20str)
Rare belt with 30str
Marrowalk with 20str
Rare ring with 20str

Weapon:
400 ed ebotTM + 40x 3max scs= 245-1470 dmg


Edmg for skills:
Berserk, level 25: 510ed
Synergies: 400ed
Weapon mastery, level 23: 138ed
Total: 1048ed

Edmg from strenght:
Stat points (@lvl 90) 89x5=445 + 15 from book quest= 460str
Arreats: 20str
Rends: 20str
Belt: 30str
Boots: 20str
Ebotd: 30str
580 total strenght x 1.1 mace bonus= 638ed
Total= 638ed

Edmg from off-weapon sources/auras:
Fortitude: 300ed
Arreats: 40ed
Rends: 60ed
Might merc (@lvl90) level 28 might aura: 310ed
Pride polearm level 20 concentration: 345ed
Total: 1055ed

Minimum damage:
245 x (1 + 6.38 + 21.03)
245 x 28.41= 6961 dmg

Maximum damage:
1470 x (1 + 6.38 + 21.03)
1470 x 28.41= 41763 dmg

6961- 41763 damage...and we are not talking about critical strike, that would something like 84k damage in one strike :cool:

[PhatTrumpet]

Why not use berzerk as skill with a 2-hand weapon?i basically want to do a ton of physical damage
Plus you're not going to be able to dish out much of anything with base vit and zero defense unless you get really friendly with your warcries.

[Zalcitabine]

Plus you're not going to be able to dish out much of anything with base vit and zero defense unless you get really friendly with your warcries.

Getting along with berzerk and a 2-hand weapon is not only doable, it is quite easy when you use taunt/howl. There's even a HC guide on it.

Physical damage...you are a bit picky on the words, aren't you? Yes berzerk is magical damage but it is a physical attack..and the thread is named max damage barb btw. If you really want pure physical damage then leap attack has much more power than concentration.

Fully synergized lvl 20 leap attack= 870ed
Fully synergized lvl 20 concentration= 550ed

[Jamezor]

Basically i just wanted to make a character based on the eth tmaul. I figure i should go find a 15ed eth one if im going to make it myself.

All these ideas are great thats for the info.

Keep suggestions coming as well, im loving it.

[PhatTrumpet]

I'd call it "actually reading the original post" rather than "being picky." He didn't ask for any advice about skills, only items (any idiot can figure out that Leap Attack and Zerk give more %ed than Conc).

I'm not sure that I'm being any pickier than you are seeing as you gave a setup for max listed damage ("Lying" Character Screen anyone?). The listed damage increase from the 20str on Marrows doesn't really compare to the damage output increase from the 15%DS on Gore Riders... or even the added damage and 10str from WarTravs for that matter. At a certain point it just becomes acedemic; we could go on and on about how to squeeze every last point of damage out of a build. I'd rather not.

[Zalcitabine]

I'd call it "actually reading the original post" rather than "being picky." He didn't ask for any advice about skills, only items (any idiot can figure out that Leap Attack and Zerk give more %ed than Conc).

I'm not sure that I'm being any pickier than you are seeing as you gave a setup for max listed damage ("Lying" Character Screen anyone?). The listed damage increase from the 20str on Marrows doesn't really compare to the damage output increase from the 15%DS on Gore Riders... or even the added damage and 10str from WarTravs for that matter. At a certain point it just becomes acedemic; we could go on and on about how to squeeze every last point of damage out of a build. I'd rather not.

You being frustrated? Come on, take it easy man :wink:

First of all, he did ask for advice on items and skills.. LOOK. Talk about "reading the original post".

I just tried to demonstrate what maximum damage a barb can do with that kind of set-up..I didn't list it as a dream build - i didn't even say that i would build a character like this; in fact i would rather use a faster weapon like a great poleaxe and things like verdungos/string, torch, anni and gores..and go for like maximum 200 str total.

Who's being academic? You were actually the first one trying to calculate with formulas the possible damage output of this kind of barb..You also said that what i proposed wasn't viable because of base vita. Look at your example...580ed from strenght..that's quite near base vita for me. Hello?

I didn't post to show that you were on a wrong path, i posted to show what kind of listed damage (yes sir, everyone loves numbers..they talk for themselves) we could have using berserk instead. Did i say a single time that you could have done better or the like? Nope.

I really don't know why you took it personal.

[PhatTrumpet]

you are a bit picky on the words, aren't you?
Rather trivial, but still a direct attack. Like most people (yourself included obviously) when someone addresses me or something I posted, I tend to reply, especially if I disagree. If that constitues "taking it personally," so be it.

My bad on the skills thing, I just assumed that the original poster already knew that Zerk and LA did significantly more damage than Conc and just didn't feel like them.

I didn't accuse anyone of being acedemic, and I'm not sure why that's necessarily a bad thing. It was a general statement: once a couple people have posted the general jist of something like this there's not much point in going any further unless you're goal is to absolutely perfect it. Trying to perfect a build has its merits, I just didn't feel like doing it here.

As acedemic as my intial numbers post may seem, it was just a general comparison of two weapons and had very little to some idealistic maximum damage build. I didn't even bother using exact numbers for %ed since that had little effect on the result: to show that eBoTD TMaul does more damage than any 1h/shield option.

Looks like we're both practicing selective reading here. I never said base vit alone equals unviable (hell, I had a Hardcore base-vit WW Barb back in 1.09). It's the combination of base vit, zero defense, and a non-leechable attack that makes me nervous. I also added the disclaimer "unless you get really friendly with your warcries." Taunt and Howl are warcries... thank you, I'm fully aware that the build works when you use your warcries well. It's just that some people either don't know how to use them well or just plain don't like using them.

[Omikron8]

wouldnt the eth ghost spear be almost exactly the same
same average
same range
same attack speed
higher max damage??

obscene dex requirement
wider damage range --> lower minimum damage