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sorceressgod
13-02-2006, 16:06
i encountered a fire druid while PKing him with my sorc. it appears that he does teleport quite a bit, but not too much like the windy druid.
and i found out thrice, the hard way, that once he got me on namelock i might as well save and exit the game, and then rejoin the game with a little less dignity.
any sorceresses here knows how to tackle these guys? thanks.
Lol. Dont let them namelock you, obviously. You can shoot off-screen, they cant.
Lol. Dont let them namelock you, obviously. You can shoot off-screen, they cant.
I'm guessing he used Volcano on you?
Hehe, killing no-block no ES sorcs with Volcano is very FUN:thumbsup: Poor girls are just stuck in place and doomed.
Valvolux
14-02-2006, 03:00
You need Block, DR/high ES, good fhr and good fire resist, remember volcanos can be blocked so don't use 'Spirit' or lidless etc lol, and use the 4 second cast delay to your advantage.
High Lord Bunbun
14-02-2006, 07:09
Tele around a lot and probably want to tele away until you don't see the opponent on the minimap after coming in close to attack to break any namelocks. Also if you are close to the opponent and see cast animation, immediately tele a few times at least so you can break free if they do get a volcano under you.
the boss
14-02-2006, 11:10
Stormshield with 30%fire resists/-15req jewel on it.
Hotspur and dwarf.
Just 75% blocking makes the job with ES sorc.
blobswannabe
15-02-2006, 20:47
my druid has - 70 enemy fire res. So my advice is stack some fire res so you don't die instantly.
Valvolux
16-02-2006, 06:58
my druid has - 70 enemy fire res. So my advice is stack some fire res so you don't die instantly.
Is your set up...
Ravenlore -20
6 facet sword -30
4 facet shield -20
?
Is your set up...
Ravenlore -20
6 facet sword -30
4 facet shield -20
?
Yes. It works great in pubs because few people bother to stack that much and so they die fast. He still has about 50% block with the monarch I think as well.
Valvolux
17-02-2006, 03:32
Yes. It works great in pubs because few people bother to stack that much and so they die fast. He still has about 50% block with the monarch I think as well.
Any DR with that set up, or is yours just a glass cannon?
blobswannabe
17-02-2006, 04:46
Any DR with that set up, or is yours just a glass cannon?
i can switch the 3 facet shield with an umed ss and i have max blck and res wiht it.
I prefer phoenix over faceted shield. More -%fr, resits, a bit of absorb (doh), max resists, cool aura (doh+doh)...Anyway damage from fire druid is so easy to absorb, hotspurs/nokozan+dwarf and you are done. Most of time hotspurs is more than enough
I prefer phoenix over faceted shield. More -%fr, resits, a bit of absorb (doh), max resists, cool aura (doh+doh)...Anyway damage from fire druid is so easy to absorb, hotspurs/nokozan+dwarf and you are done. Most of time hotspurs is more than enough
Thats were the -70 res comes in. Many people fail to stack enough fire res, or fail to take into account anya bug. Any elemental build can be absorbed of course, with little effort, but Most public duelers will not bother to wear all that stuff, simply because it will get them killed by others. Thats why you go to pk games with a buddy whenever you use an absorbable char :smiley: .
I prefer phoenix over faceted shield. More -%fr, resits, a bit of absorb (doh), max resists, cool aura (doh+doh)...Anyway damage from fire druid is so easy to absorb, hotspurs/nokozan+dwarf and you are done. Most of time hotspurs is more than enough
Actually just hotspurs will not help against fissure. Max resists in hell (30+ deep) with just hotspurs will not negate fissure damage. Not even close, I have tested it. If you run through one you will loose tons of life to a 4k fissure. Test and try it, you will see. On the other hand throwing in dwarfs and rising sun will negate the fire damage :cry: :sad2:
Actually just hotspurs will not help against fissure. Max resists in hell (30+ deep) with just hotspurs will not negate fissure damage. Not even close, I have tested it. If you run through one you will loose tons of life to a 4k fissure. Test and try it, you will see. On the other hand throwing in dwarfs and rising sun will negate the fire damage :cry: :sad2:
What kind of idiot runs through fissures :/
Aside from the poor zons who are screwed anyway.
Some quick math:
4k fissure * .17(pvp) = 680
680 * .10(90 fire res) =68 fire damage.
Even if you got hit TEN times you'd still only take 680.
What kind of idiot runs through fissures :/
Aside from the poor zons who are screwed anyway.
Some quick math:
4k fissure * .17(pvp) = 680
680 * .10(90 fire res) =68 fire damage.
Even if you got hit TEN times you'd still only take 680.
I was just commenting on the fact of just putting on hotspurs. but now that you have me going on this. There are some in PVP that do run or WW and if you catch them running they will take a lot of damage. But lets not dwindle on that. Lets assume you tele and are a baba. Lets say you tele in and WW and the druid moves away and negates your WW and you WW through with only hotspurs and max resists. 68 fire damage. I beg to differ. In fact I am on east ladder and would be happy to see your baba WW through a fissure and only take 68 damage with just hotspurs. I would love to test this and if I am wrong then I will come back into this forum and apologize to all these readers who I wrongfully gave bad judgement. I know my baba can't so what god given gift are you using that allows WW to only take 68 damage since running or WWing through a fissure means taking multiple hits. If you mean just standing in place, just say it and I agree with that. I agree that nobody really runs around but I was commenting on just the hotspur issue, that is all. As for the hotspur issue I stated above and will state again. If you expect to put only hotspurs on and RUN or hmmmm WW through a fissure you will take more then the damage you stated above 68.
Does Fissure also do Physical damage?
Duelskull2
19-02-2006, 22:06
the barb could just leap the druid out of fissure and get a clean ww anyway. or zerk so he stands still.
What kind of idiot runs through fissures :/
Aside from the poor zons who are screwed anyway.
Some quick math:
4k fissure * .17(pvp) = 680
680 * .10(90 fire res) =68 fire damage.
Even if you got hit TEN times you'd still only take 680.
Believe me, people do run through fissures, since very few know what to expect from a fire druid.
Does Fissure also do Physical damage?
No, just fire damage but if you move in a fissure you take multiple hits from the vents that open up. If you just stand in one place Rauth is right in that it would be minimal damage.
Also I was not commentng on different options such as leap the WW barb may use. I would do the same thing, stun then attack.
I was just commenting on the general use of just hotspurs, that is all. Many PVP players believe that if they just put on hotspurs for the 90% FR they can tank a fissure. If you stand still or tele on one ya, but many players also move by running or WWing. Also inv fissures off screen are sometimes worthwhile since a chr may tele into an inv one and then move not seeing it and get a tiny surprise. I think the vents continue to open for 6 seconds. I may be off on this since I am somewhat new to the PVP Fire druid world but have been testing out differnt things on the resist/abs side.
Only geddon, MB and volcano add physical damage. Fissure is pure fire.
Phyrexial
20-02-2006, 04:13
Look up the topics that had Clan Iraq and Earthday trying to explain the strengths of the Shaman/Geomancer/Firedruid/whatever you call it and you will find that ended rather badly for the fire druids. Koda and mcm went to town on them and from what I understand most of the duels were not even close. I stood still with a necro and simply tanked volcano after volcano as well as tanked his grizzly (for the shaman variant) so unless very drastic discoveries have been made between now and then I don't think we need to worry much about Fire druids. Maybe low life/fhr/no block casters, but not much of anyone else competent.
I was just commenting on the fact of just putting on hotspurs. but now that you have me going on this. There are some in PVP that do run or WW and if you catch them running they will take a lot of damage. But lets not dwindle on that. Lets assume you tele and are a baba. Lets say you tele in and WW and the druid moves away and negates your WW and you WW through with only hotspurs and max resists. 68 fire damage. I beg to differ. In fact I am on east ladder and would be happy to see your baba WW through a fissure and only take 68 damage with just hotspurs. I would love to test this and if I am wrong then I will come back into this forum and apologize to all these readers who I wrongfully gave bad judgement. I know my baba can't so what god given gift are you using that allows WW to only take 68 damage since running or WWing through a fissure means taking multiple hits. If you mean just standing in place, just say it and I agree with that. I agree that nobody really runs around but I was commenting on just the hotspur issue, that is all. As for the hotspur issue I stated above and will state again. If you expect to put only hotspurs on and RUN or hmmmm WW through a fissure you will take more then the damage you stated above 68.
Just hotspurs IS 90 fire res. A 4k fissure DOES do 68 damage after pvp and 90 fire res. If you get hit more than once by the same fissure, obviously you will take more damage.
Even if they wwed, walked, or charged across, and got hit TEN times(not possible unless fissures hits like once per frame) they would still only take 680. Thats less than 1/4 of a decent pallies life, and ~1/10 of decent barbs. Yes, you can avoid them all day and maybe get a kill, but the odds are you will screw up before then due to desynch or leap.
Look up the topics that had Clan Iraq and Earthday trying to explain the strengths of the Shaman/Geomancer/Firedruid/whatever you call it and you will find that ended rather badly for the fire druids. Koda and mcm went to town on them and from what I understand most of the duels were not even close. I stood still with a necro and simply tanked volcano after volcano as well as tanked his grizzly (for the shaman variant) so unless very drastic discoveries have been made between now and then I don't think we need to worry much about Fire druids. Maybe low life/fhr/no block casters, but not much of anyone else competent.
I agree, the build is not going to be a build that owns all, just a fun build. My necro can also tank the hits and stand on volcano's. The build does excel, however, against those builds that do not have max block. Max block/max DR/Max fire resists without abs is trouble for a fire druid or a shaman.
Fire druids and shamans = fun dueling
If you want to own make a bone necro or baba, etc. Characters who have attacks that can be absorbed will never be the best builds for all around PVP if the dueler is trying to make a character for that purpose.:smiley:
Just hotspurs IS 90 fire res. A 4k fissure DOES do 68 damage after pvp and 90 fire res. If you get hit more than once by the same fissure, obviously you will take more damage.
Even if they wwed, walked, or charged across, and got hit TEN times(not possible unless fissures hits like once per frame) they would still only take 680. Thats less than 1/4 of a decent pallies life, and ~1/10 of decent barbs. Yes, you can avoid them all day and maybe get a kill, but the odds are you will screw up before then due to desynch or leap.
I agree with you on this. The multiple hits, although do add up for most ill prepared duelers especially. I understood your math. My point was that by just slapping on hotspurs will not negate the fire damage from fissure, etc. Also, maybe not in your private dueling environment,but in the pub environment, you would be surprised how many people actually run, charge or ww through fissures.
Sorry if I didnt explained it well, I mean with hotspurs you dont negate fissure, but damage inflicted is minimal and the enemy can tank you through fissure so many times, then chances are you are gonna get hit. I love fissure dueling vs ww barbs and charge/smite palas. For this duels I dont use phoenix (nor faceted shield) since I need the blocking and DR% stormshield gives. Thus, a char with decent resits using hotspurs overtakes my -30% fr from ravenlore (faceted), they can charge or WW through my fissure so many times, but they take some damage ofc. Geddon is a diferent issue, it hurts if u tank like crazy (not that hard as a FB sorc, hope you understand).
My tactic is quite simple, I spam multiple fissure under my feet standing (you can always have 2 fissures going on at the same time on the same place), then when they leap, tele, charge on me I move away and cast again at the place where I am. Rinse and repeat.
Anyway I agree fire druid is easy to negate. For this reason Ive made many diferent build around the elemental skills on druids and I find the best one is hybrid fire/wind. 3k fissure, 3k volcano, 4k tornado. Spaming fissure and nados waiting for them to come, or chase with fissure and nado vs runners. It cant be fully negated while you have ranged and low ranged atacks, the best of both trees (less damage and life, but much more versatile by far). It works great.
sorceressgod
20-02-2006, 16:12
well, actually i think most people think of fire druid duelers as...
"LOL A FIRE DRUID ROFLMAO!!!"
and i got namelocked and owned for that o_o
well, actually i think most people think of fire druid duelers as...
"LOL A FIRE DRUID ROFLMAO!!!"
and i got namelocked and owned for that o_o
I just yesterday dueled a fire druid with my BvC, and to surprise me, i needed to have high resistances to survive it (my normal setup gives me about 46 fire resistance). But then again, leaping with dooms out, they call me a noob and whine about leaping and using holy freeze aura and fana aura, lol?
sorceressgod
20-02-2006, 16:23
well i think it's the crazy stun that the volcanoes give u, that eventually kills.
I just yesterday dueled a fire druid with my BvC, and to surprise me, i needed to have high resistances to survive it (my normal setup gives me about 46 fire resistance). But then again, leaping with dooms out, they call me a noob and whine about leaping and using holy freeze aura and fana aura, lol?
What is your BvC name? Dont worry I didnt played with my fire druid yesterday, just wonder if ever met you in publics.
Dave
What is your BvC name? Dont worry I didnt played with my fire druid yesterday, just wonder if ever met you in publics.
Dave
my barb's name is AkC-DoomWarrior. And I don't worry about any losses, I'm not even close to being good or decent. Gearwise OR skillwise.
Sorry if I didnt explained it well, I mean with hotspurs you dont negate fissure, but damage inflicted is minimal and the enemy can tank you through fissure so many times, then chances are you are gonna get hit. I love fissure dueling vs ww barbs and charge/smite palas. For this duels I dont use phoenix (nor faceted shield) since I need the blocking and DR% stormshield gives. Thus, a char with decent resits using hotspurs overtakes my -30% fr from ravenlore (faceted), they can charge or WW through my fissure so many times, but they take some damage ofc. Geddon is a diferent issue, it hurts if u tank like crazy (not that hard as a FB sorc, hope you understand).
My tactic is quite simple, I spam multiple fissure under my feet standing (you can always have 2 fissures going on at the same time on the same place), then when they leap, tele, charge on me I move away and cast again at the place where I am. Rinse and repeat.
Anyway I agree fire druid is easy to negate. For this reason Ive made many diferent build around the elemental skills on druids and I find the best one is hybrid fire/wind. 3k fissure, 3k volcano, 4k tornado. Spaming fissure and nados waiting for them to come, or chase with fissure and nado vs runners. It cant be fully negated while you have ranged and low ranged atacks, the best of both trees (less damage and life, but much more versatile by far). It works great.
HeHe, Ya I have to try and make a hybrid since I have never gone that way. Could you sometime just post a skill dist idea that works for you and also if you base your build around ravenlore.
Thanks Ferro
well i think it's the crazy stun that the volcanoes give u, that eventually kills.
For sorcy's without max block a volcano will just rip you apart. Stunlock, dead, enough said. A max block/high ES sorcy, although, is a tougher duel.
One thing that is interesting about dueling a fire druid is that all of a sudden, due to volcano, you find out how important max block really is in the PVP arena for all around dueling:smiley:
I just yesterday dueled a fire druid with my BvC, and to surprise me, i needed to have high resistances to survive it (my normal setup gives me about 46 fire resistance). But then again, leaping with dooms out, they call me a noob and whine about leaping and using holy freeze aura and fana aura, lol?
Nothing newbe about duel dooms and leap. That is what makes a barb such a great all around PVP build. Max resists and hotspurs will help your barb out against a fire druid. Slap on some abs (especially a rising sun) and you can WW all you want. Well pretty much or use a dwarf for overkill. If it is a shaman build, without max block, their bear can quickly peck away at your life since you are duel wielding if you are not careful with your WW's.
All in All Rauth and others are correct. Fire druids can easily be absorbed but what fun they are when dueling the ill prepared:laughing:
blobswannabe
20-02-2006, 23:39
Nothing newbe about duel dooms and leap. That is what makes a barb such a great all around PVP build. Max resists and hotspurs will help your barb out against a fire druid. Slap on some abs (especially a rising sun) and you can WW all you want. Well pretty much or use a dwarf for overkill. If it is a shaman build, without max block, their bear can quickly peck away at your life since you are duel wielding if you are not careful with your WW's.
All in All Rauth and others are correct. Fire druids can easily be absorbed but what fun they are when dueling the ill prepared:laughing:
I think you are forgetting the fact that with just hot spurs u are unlikely to get 90% fr against a fire druid. Since your res will problaby be a lot lower than 90% after anya bug and - enemy fire res from the druid's items.
Phyrexial
21-02-2006, 01:32
If the druid leaves their bear out isn't that just asking for the barb to leech a load of life off of it?
If the druid leaves their bear out isn't that just asking for the barb to leech a load of life off of it?
In theory and I am sure in fact I am sure you are right but on ladder it does not seem that duel wielding barbs are leaching much if any. Maybe it is because they have no LL due to using COA's and griefs instead of BOTD's and arreats, etc. I am not sure because I always thought that a barb would just LL away on a bear but as I duel with my shaman (I am a newbe with this build - only 2 months) it seems that the bear swipes do more then any barb is leaching. I would have to say that it is probably due to the barb not having any LL. At least that is all I can assume on this and the LL issue.
I think you are forgetting the fact that with just hot spurs u are unlikely to get 90% fr against a fire druid. Since your res will problaby be a lot lower than 90% after anya bug and - enemy fire res from the druid's items.
Yep, you are right. Although my baba stacks at least 50% deep when dueling a fire druid just because most use a ravenlore. If they are like you going -70+ then I just live with the extra damage your fire druid is doing, etc.
hotspurs+nokozan, 95% fr and like 100 deep, everybody has those items on stash :)
hotspurs+nokozan, 95% fr and like 100 deep, everybody has those items on stash :)
I just dropped away ONE of my Nokozan's, since it was taking space and it was no use. Now I will just have to get Hotspurs and then GG.
I just dropped away ONE of my Nokozan's, since it was taking space and it was no use. Now I will just have to get Hotspurs and then GG.
Heh, how many nokazons can you use exactly? :wink3:
Maybe you are thinking of dwarfs.
Heh, how many nokazons can you use exactly? :wink3:
Maybe you are thinking of dwarfs.
I didn't mean it that way. I meant is as "I have many Nokozan's so I will just drop the one that's on my BvC". And no I don't carry dwarfs.
blobswannabe
22-02-2006, 19:40
hotspurs+nokozan, 95% fr and like 100 deep, everybody has those items on stash :)
i don't. ironically my only char that has fire stack is my bowzon.
built2burn
22-02-2006, 20:40
i had a fire druid but it was impossible to kill es/blocking sorcs(prolly thanks to bmanas) and had a real tough time against any good chars but most pubs died pretty quick and *****ed alot about cano/fissure be nub(but i guess theyll say that kind of stuff to anyone they lose to)
e/sc/nl
its name was bk-mayhem but i made a windy with its stuff and its so much better but the fire druid was alot of fun but too easily sorbed
4+k life
4.5fissure
3+k cano
13k geddon
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