Top 6 WW Barb Axes

[zHawKz]

What are the top 6 WW barbarian axes out there? I would like to know so I have an idea on how to make transition from one axe to a better axe.

1. ?
2. ?
3. ?
4. ?
5. ?
6. ?

Starting with the best at number 1.

[the boss]

1. Grief Zerk
2. EbotD Zerk
3. Beast Zerk
4. Doom Zerk
5. Ethearl Rare Zerk with 400%+ED, 40IAS, 2 socket, fools mod
6. Fury Zerk


These have some different status depending on PvM or PvP, BvC or BvB and of course, who you are dueling

[TarnishedHope]

TOp Axes

1. Grief Zerk with 34+ IAS
2. EBoTD Zerk
3. Doom Zerk
4. Beast Zerk
5. Ethearl Rare Zerk with GODLY mods. absolutely godly. (never seen it, but a godly one "might" just beat EBoTD)
6. ?

I don't think there's a sixth good axe for a WWbarb...

Grief Zerker is ranked # 1 simply because it IS # 1. No arguments there. :thumbsup:

EBoTD Zerker is a good variety for those Non-Ladder players who can't get their hands on a Grief Zerker, and is by far the most efficient PvM weapon for barb. (dual leach/stat/indestruc.)

Doom Zerker, in some aspects, beats even a good Grief Zerker. Against some characters (zon/pali/druid/etc.) in PvP, dual Doom Zerker will easily allow you to gain an upper hand them.

Beast Zerker, though a great 2nd hand weapon, is limited to a 2nd hand weapon. Since it's a rather useless 1st hand weapon, it's ranked # 4.

Rare Eth Zerker? Usually, they simply sucks. However, if you happen to find one with GODLY mods on it (very unlikely to happen), it just might be able to best EBoTD Zerker.

I really don't think there are any other choices other than these 5. While weapons like Fury could make a good 2nd hand weapon, they cannot be compared with a Beast Zerker. Therefore, I choose to leave it blank. But then again, it's just my personal opinion. :hide:

[lCE]

Rare zerk with such stats would be at the top.

[the boss]

Fury Zerker is for BvB and vs against ES sorcs

[mastermind]

i dont think u can rank Beast becasuse Beast is almost a compolsory to choose for a 2nd hand weapon, their is no better alternative weapon than Beast in ur second hand.

Grief is the best choice for a first hand weapon
Botd comes next
Doom is very usefull
Fury can work well
possible crafted zerk or rare with nice mods.

[monte cristo]

Eth Death Cleaver also.

[inanefedaykin]

Assuming perfect stats
1) Etheral grief zerk
2) Grief zerk
3) Ebotdz
4) Etheral beast zerk
5) Etheral doom zerk
6) Supa fly eth rare zerk

[Cosentino]

1. Grief Zerker
2. Fury Zerker
3. Eth BOTD Zerker
4. Beast Zerker
5. Doom Zerker
6. Eth Death Cleaver

The choice most of you will probably find odd is my pick of a Fury Zerker as number two. I've had lots of success in BvB dueling using a Fury/Fort and Fury/Eth Malice setup. The OWs from Fury is an awesome attribute in BvB dueling. Combine that with the DS and ED from Fort and you can get a pretty decent hit that also casts OWs. When combined with an eth Malice, the open wounds make up for the lack of damage while allowing you to have 40k+def. The extra AR is also handy against high def builds.

Also, if mana pots are considered BM, as they are on West Ladder for the most part, the low physical damage gives less of a return in mana thus making it so your opponent won't be able to whirl as much as they normally would and possibly even have to conc until they get mana making them a much easier target.

[CupOfTea]

What about

1. Rare boy 450 ed, 2 sockets, ohm runes in, 550 ed, quickness, eth selfrepair, and extra max dmg (700 max damage one-hand, average damage > grief)

2. Rare boy , 300 ed, 2 sockets (ums in), fools mod, eth self-repair, quickenss, secondary prefix, for cool bvb and melee duels

3. Beast (in combination of boys above)

4. Grief !

5. eBotd , eDC, and other crap below

[Omikron8]

eth botd great poleaxe :)

[TarnishedHope]

What about

1. Rare boy 450 ed, 2 sockets, ohm runes in, 550 ed, quickness, eth selfrepair, and extra max dmg (700 max damage one-hand, average damage > grief)

2. Rare boy , 300 ed, 2 sockets (ums in), fools mod, eth self-repair, quickenss, secondary prefix, for cool bvb and melee duels



Psh, like that's ever going to happen. I don't think the 1st one is even possible.

Fury Zerker would not work for BvB. A BvB barb must use shield (SS), and if you use Fury with SS against a Grief + SS BvB... Well, you lose. Fury + Malice? Without MB, you won't win against a good BvB.

If you really like OW, Drac. + Up'd Gore + OW Belt would be suffice. Even with DS, Fury Zerker can't compete with Grief Zerker. Under most circumstances, you can get enough DS/CS from highlord/mastery, even though they don't stack.

What's the point of using Fury + Malice? 100+% OW? :jig:

Since when are Mana pots BM? The truth is, there are VERY FEW things that can be considered as BM. It's really just people crying and whining whenever they lose. The only thing I view as BM is 95 resist/40%+ Sorb against elements, life poting, and NKing.

[inanefedaykin]

I consider all poison bm. It's really truly irresistable.

[CupOfTea]

I don't think the 1st one is even possible.

Why not?

450 ed - 2 prefixes
2 sockets - 1 prefix

quickness - 1 suffix
self repair - 1 suffix
extra max dmg - 1 suffix

so 3 prefixes and 3 suffixes. Btw there are screenshot of similiar zerker somethere in this forum, have near 700 max dmg one-hand (it was near 450 ed)

[De4dEyE]

No particular order

Grief
EBotD
Eth DCleaver
Some insane Rare
Doom
Whatever

[TarnishedHope]

Nvm... figured it out. Read the rare item section on The Arreat Summit and finally realized the Master mod. :thumbsup:

Never noticed that it can stack with Cruel mod. :hanky:

[the boss]

Assuming perfect stats
1) Etheral grief zerk


Don't use it....after losing all the durability

[lCE]

Psh, like that's ever going to happen. I don't think the 1st one is even possible.

Fury Zerker would not work for BvB. A BvB barb must use shield (SS), and if you use Fury with SS against a Grief + SS BvB... Well, you lose. Fury + Malice? Without MB, you won't win against a good BvB.

If you really like OW, Drac. + Up'd Gore + OW Belt would be suffice. Even with DS, Fury Zerker can't compete with Grief Zerker. Under most circumstances, you can get enough DS/CS from highlord/mastery, even though they don't stack.

What's the point of using Fury + Malice? 100+% OW? :jig:

Since when are Mana pots BM? The truth is, there are VERY FEW things that can be considered as BM. It's really just people crying and whining whenever they lose. The only thing I view as BM is 95 resist/40%+ Sorb against elements, life poting, and NKing.


Fury works very well on a build combining maximal life, defense and OW. (BVB of course). I can see it doing very well vs ES sorcs as well.

[phool]

Funny you should be talking about this, a thread in the stats forum has one of these godly axes here (http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=416537&page=6)

[Konfu]

Well, noone can say that grief is not the most overpowered weapon, so most pvp rules consider it banned. Then you have to start thinking about alternatives.

1. grief zerker
2. eth death cleaver (zoded ofc)
3. ebotd zerker
4. death cleaver (normal socketed with a nice ed/max jewel)
5. all the rest

As for godly rares... yes, some of them rock, especialy in bvb with dmg higher then ebotd and a GODLY ar bonus from fools. I'd say that a baby like the one posted in the link above in much better then a grief...
Because some people might be confuzed about the high position I gave to DC, well, using a non-eth DC with a preaty good jewel (30ed/8max/7fhr) I can kill barbs using ebotd zerkers preaty well. Imagine what an eth baby would do to them. Ofcourse a weapon like that needs a specifick kind of bvb build and item setup, but it's possible and very efective for poor players on ladder who are not lucky enough to find a zod, and consider grief banned acording to local rules.

[De4dEyE]

Well, noone can say that grief is not the most overpowered weapon, so most pvp rules consider it banned.

Err. What?

[Konfu]

Well, it is.
like here: epvp rulz: http://ep-pvp.net/rules.htm

[TarnishedHope]

if you actually do the math, a 34+/400 grief zerker still beats rare.

amazing overpowered, isn't it...

[De4dEyE]

Wow. They limit way too much crap.

They ban leap, clay golem, THE FCR BP ON A HAMMERDIN, Open wounds, DR on characters, FRW on characters.

That is a terrible, terrible dueling league.

[Konfu]

Yeah, they have gone too far in some places, trying to make all chars "equal"... they banned to much.

[lCE]

Id prefer to play with those rules, than playing pubs with no rules at all...

[De4dEyE]

Id prefer to play with those rules, than playing pubs with no rules at all...

So severely gimping builds to make it 'more fair' is something you want? If you want rules, go play in clan PKs or mannered priv duels.

Also, comparing a pub to that 'league' is completely worthless; they barely have any grounds to be compared in the first place.

[mastermind]

Wow. They limit way too much crap.

They ban leap, clay golem, THE FCR BP ON A HAMMERDIN, Open wounds, DR on characters, FRW on characters.

That is a terrible, terrible dueling league.

lol they banned all that?

pssh that almost renders most chars useless,

From those rule i think they did go to far but thats my oppinion

@ ICE with all those rules and regulations it almost takes the fun out of dueling

i mean in pub u have to deal with noobs who use all kinda items, bugged items, 2 v 1s nks, these same clan dudes that team in pubs and start nking ppl.

All of these things make dueling interesting others may agree.

Looking at the rules most of my gear does not even meet the specification and could cause my *** to get a serious banning LOL

[De4dEyE]

They didn't completely ban FRW/OW/DR, they just limited it. Something like 10% OW per char, a certain amount of DR per char [and it changes against certain opponents] and FRW per char. God. -.-

[mastermind]

still though most of the ppl would have to rebuild their chars and get 100% legit items to qualify.

I dont think anyone can claim they have 100% legit items becasue if ur like me i do alot of trading so...

[morotsjos]

Yeah, they have gone too far in some places, trying to make all chars "equal"... they banned to much.
then again who cares about ep? 95% of ep consists of inbred wannabes anyway. like the self-proclaimed "druid god" who flames and talks alot of crap but refuse any duel outside ep-rules with the excuse "10k tele ww no ty". pathetic.

that said i'm sure it's enjoyable if you prefer slow-*** non-tele duels or lack common sense and need everything mouth-feeded. yawn.

[Omikron8]

so how many people insulting their rules actually dueled a lot in 1.09 and before ?

[morotsjos]

so how many people insulting their rules actually dueled a lot in 1.09 and before ?
why would 1.09 be superior to 1.10? why would no-tele duels be superior to tele? it's all a matter of preference, thing is that many ep-wannabes sit on their high horses making ridiculous claims even though they are worthless when they cant hide behind rules that nerf their opponents. simple as that.

[lCE]

Youre all entitled to your own opinions, Im just saying that Ive enjoyed dueling in 1.09, thats when ive had the most fun with it. 1.10 and up quickly grew old with me. Also if you dont like their rules, then dont duel in their league, its that simple, no one forces you to do it.

[mastermind]

Youre all entitled to your own opinions, Im just saying that Ive enjoyed dueling in 1.09, thats when ive had the most fun with it. 1.10 and up quickly grew old with me. Also if you dont like their rules, then dont duel in their league, its that simple, no one forces you to do it.

LOL looking at their rules i would never intend to, i would have to rebuild most of my chars which work well and nerf them just to qualify.

As you said is personal preferance, i can accept some basic gm rules like no max absorb no nk etc but, i think some of those rules went a bit to far for me.

[jake007]

30FCR BP on a hammerdin... Sounds fun...

Strange that they don't limit damage on sorceresses

[zergling]

1.why do people put Grief in bezerkers? when they can use phaseblades(u can get less ias gear and more useful stuff.)

2. Why do people use grief-beast combos? if extra speed-damage-AR is HEAVILY overweighed by the INSANE ammount of damage from dual grief.

[jake007]

1.why do people put Grief in bezerkers? when they can use phaseblades(u can get less ias gear and more useful stuff.)

2. Why do people use grief-beast combos? if extra speed-damage-AR is HEAVILY overweighed by the INSANE ammount of damage from dual grief.

1. Grief Berserker has superior damage, and the fact that range 3 makes it an ideal whirlwind weapon.

2. Grief need supplements from off weapon %enhanced damage to be effective. Beast is a great source as it provides fanaticism. The IAS is irrelevant as whirlwind speed depends only on weapon IAS.

Beast is also a source of open wound, regarded quite highly by barbarians (I'm not sure why though)

[mainaman]

1. Grief Berserker has superior damage, and the fact that range 3 makes it an ideal whirlwind weapon.

2. Grief need supplements from off weapon %enhanced damage to be effective. Beast is a great source as it provides fanaticism. The IAS is irrelevant as whirlwind speed depends only on weapon IAS.

Beast is also a source of open wound, regarded quite highly by barbarians (I'm not sure why though)

open wounds is unblockable and does dmg even when you don't hit the oponent, if i'm not wrong it has 8 sec duration

[morotsjos]

1.why do people put Grief in bezerkers? when they can use phaseblades(u can get less ias gear and more useful stuff.)

2. Why do people use grief-beast combos? if extra speed-damage-AR is HEAVILY overweighed by the INSANE ammount of damage from dual grief.
1. off-weapon ias is useless with ww.
2. wrong. grief+beast=more damage than grief+grief. period.