This is my orb sorc, what can I do ...

[The_Redemptor]

... to make her perform better than 'average'? Any gear or perhaps strategy tipps are welcome!


After I found a death's fathom (30% edmg), and also a sorc torch (15 all stats, 14% all res) I thought it would be best to build a cold sorc, which I skilled like that:

20 Ice Bolt
20 Frozen Orb
20 Cold Mastery
20 Telekinesis
Rest Energy Shield

Stat point distribution:
91 Strength (for Sandstorm)
Base Dexterity
54% of the remaining points to Vita
46% of the remaining points to Energy (from what I've calculated this is
the best way to make both the Life as well as the Mana Bar drop at the
same speed with ES)

Obviously no block is somewhat risky and requires me to teleport very carefully as even a little mistake is usually deadly. On the other hand the points I didn't use for Dexterity I could use for Energy, which does help my ES to be pretty durable.

Equip:
Helm: Nightwing's Veil (+13% cold dmg)
Amu: +2 Cold Skills, +20 all res, +54 to Lightning res (rare Amu)
Body Armor: Ormus (+15% cold dmg, +3 Energy Shield)
Weap: Death's Fathom (+30% cold dmg, +34% Light Res, +36% Fire Res)
Belt: Arachnid Mesh
Shield: Lidless Wall with PDiamond
Ring1: Stone Of Jordan
Ring2: 15% All Resists, 10% faster cast (magic ring) (for 105% faster cast)
Gloves: Magefist
Boot: Sandstorm
Inventory: Torch +3 sorc skills, 4 x Cold Skill Charms, a couple of
+all resists small charms as well as MANY +Life/+Mana Charms (Serpent's of
Vita)

Now my sorc is lv84, and orb does a nice damage of 1.2k per bolt, also
Cold Mastery will negate 200% cold resistance.

Well, but the performance of this sorc is anything else than excellent, it is, to keep it simple, a pretty average pvp sorc (that is chance to win is 50% vs.
most other 'average' pvp chars, no matter which class they use). Well, in fact there is some builds I find myself to win more often than others, of course.

From my experience till now there are:
'Easy' Tasks: Bonemancers, Blessed Hammerdins, Fist Of The Heaven Paladins,
Smiters, Melee druids, Javazons, Chargers, Blizzard Sorc
- Of course I have also often lost to the builds listed here, but all in all
I won more matches against them than I lost

'Medium' Tasks (That is I won 50%, and also lost 50% of the matches):
Whirlwind Barbs, Fireball Sorcs, Frozen Orb Sorc (what a surprise!)

'Hard' Tasks (This is chars that typically win more games against me than I
win against them):
Poison Necromancer, Trap Assassins, Bow-Amazons, Lightning Sorc,


'Impossible' Tasks (Perhaps you can confirm this as a rule:
'Even the strongest Frozen Orb cannot destroy a maxed Cyclone Armor',
from my calculations this is indeed impossible):
Wind Druid with maxed Cyclone Armor - I can't do any damage to this
build, and as a consequence I always lost (0% won, 100% lost)

Now the Windys are really frustrating, and so I was wondering which char
would be best suited to win vs. a godly Windy, if there is one at all?
Also, perhaps you can give me tips how to improve the gear, I know there are
some facets missing, but I'm positive I can find some (I always found a few facets in the previous ladder seasons, they are really rare).
Btw this char's equip is 99% self-found, except the Ormus Robe which I got for a Mal.

Have a nice day:)

[BluzMan]

Bliz sorcs rape windies. BvC rape windies. Well, true, noone can rape a really good windy, but these classes have a high chance of beting them. Also 20k firesorcs. They do more damage than the armor can absrob, therefore, give the windy a recast nightmare.

[The_Redemptor]

Bliz sorcs rape windies. BvC rape windies. Well, true, noone can rape a really good windy, but these classes have a high chance of beting them. Also 20k firesorcs. They do more damage than the armor can absrob, therefore, give the windy a recast nightmare.

Thx I should try one of these then. One of my first thoughts was a Bonemancer should have a small advantage over Windy too, can you confirm this?

[monte cristo]

I would certainly switch magefists for frosties. A LOT more mana for ES. As for FCR, damage is not that all important, besides, Orb can't spawn on Ormus, so it's just basically medium fcr, a bit of cold damage, no res, no skills.. I'd take Vipermagi with shael/um. And use a fcr amulet/circlet, so you still have 105%fcr. Viper30+DF20=50+Arach20=70+Lidless20=90.. that's only 15 short...

Also, why not pump strength just a little bit more for spirit if you don't want to max block? It would give a lot of mana, another +skill, 105%fcr without any other help besides viper, arach and df and awesome fhr...

[sorceressgod]

hmm, but i thought a ES sorc is supposed to have base life and all mana?

i'm still confused over making a orb/es though, idk whether should i put max block :/.

[WhiteAlien]

hmm, but i thought a ES sorc is supposed to have base life and all mana?

i'm still confused over making a orb/es though, idk whether should i put max block :/.

For Orb/ES sorc is harder to attain 95% ES, so she must put few point into vita or basicly if U have 9 cold skillers with 40 life u can skip this part.

P.S. High ES/light sorc with good FHR also can rape Windies 9 out of 10 times.

[sorceressgod]

erm... elaborate more on the ES/light sorc part on raping windies lol, i'm very intrique!!! especially when the lite dmg for ES/lite sorc is really low.

if i'm ever making a ES/lite sorc, gears shouldn't be a problem but i think it's more or less the damage part that's problematic.

20 telekinesis
20 lightning
20 nova
20 charged bolts(yes these are fun lol, for TGing BMers :P!!)
20 light mastery(or should i put 20 into CL instead, since lite mastery can be increased by +skill items??)


gear:
-griffons with um rune(i'm just using it for the EZ 25% FCR, -resists and +resists is a bonus too)
- dusk shroud CoH(well, vipermagi is not needed since i have more than 117FCR)
- HOTO
- spirit monarch
- arachnids
- SoJ x2
- magefists
- treks.
- maras amulet
- SWITCH: CTA, lidless, and my low 6 ES memory staff lol(SOO hard to find a staff with 6 to ES by default :/)

total fcr is 135%, at the max bp for lightning and at 105% bp for teleporting.

and no max block lol. btw, i don't see any 200FCR fbers using max block lol? so maybe i'll have to be a ezpk for zons hmm..

everything falls into mana(since i got no excuse for having a low ES)

and with having 7 lightning skillers, 1 torch and 1 anni it would be +24 skill levels - lol, 1 mana cost teleport, and about 31k lightning damage(around that dmg with the +dmg from griffons)

but... a 80% ES ??! ok so if i'm at level 90, i should have a 83% ES. enough?

regarding frostburn/magefists question, at it means having 115FCR if i'm using a exact 30FCR spirit monarch - which shouldn't be a problem to get a 32% FCR to reach 117% FCR, but i'm still unsure if i should do that and lose about 20 FCR.

damage wise, it seems the same as my current sorc only that i have to max out my inventory permanantly. i don't see how i can counter a wind druid even with ES.

and regarding the life/mana. i intend to put all into mana, right after having the eligibility of wearing spirit monarch.

but say if i have 370 energy, base life, and all those gear that i have, how much life/mana u reckon i'll have? oh and, the +60 life from quests, and around 100 life from scs(they only got +life no mods - hard to find good life/mana scs). my lite skillers aren't lifers too, i'm dead broke.

thanks lol.

[RetroStar]

One Chain Lightning kills windy's minions/oak. Windy then stand to recast. Good chance to go in for a quick kill or knock off their cyclone armour.

[sorceressgod]

ah, i see. but why would windies stand still to recast their minions in the middle of a battle when they know ur teleporting around them spamming lightnings lol.

but isn't it similar if i use normal lightning to aim the druids using the automap(clicking on the little X on the map that represents the druid)?

[WhiteAlien]

Man, U R posting in too many threads this question. Ok, I'll answer U here. :)

Using +5Bo CtA maras ammy and plain no life skillers U can have arround 800 life and 3500 (use frosties, get spirit 32%) mana.

For armor I use CoH. Some people say me to use instead Enigma and HotO as resistances are not realy important. I guess they R right as U will be able to get even more spear points to put in to energy, but nobody will see your armor (who cares - I care).

Dmg is low, but U will not die from 1 hit.

Concerning windy druid raping its very simple. Just keep pression on him and kill his minions all the time. If he tele away chase him, annoy him, dont let him recast his minions and spirit. With enough passion soon U will see him tele arround naked just with Cyclon armor on, no minions no huricane no spirit - then he is yours :). Remember also that he is very mana consuming instead of U where mana is unlimited. So he cant do all in the same time - drink mana, recast minions, armor, huricane etc. Also if he teles on your head 87%FHR and 3,5K mana will let U escape alive.

[WhiteAlien]

One Chain Lightning kills windy's minions/oak. Windy then stand to recast. Good chance to go in for a quick kill or knock off their cyclone armour.

U dont need to use chain light. His minions are always stacked near to him, coz he teles all the time, so 1 hit with light his direction and he will stand alone in the midle of his huricane :) with half cyclone armor down.

[sorceressgod]

hmm, i've taken down some not-so-pro wind druids before with a fire sorc lol, but it only involves dirty tricks like camping in houses set alight with meteors and fireballs lol :P

[monte cristo]

Why CoH on a sorc? Is this +1skill really so important? I'd take 30fcr from vipermagi + frosties any time of the day/night.

[sorceressgod]

hmm, there's a point you made monte cristo...

let see..

if i swap armour to vipermagi and magefists to frosties, i'll have like 140 FCR at least.

but if i use dusk CoH and frosties too, i'll have exactly 117% FCR if i have a 32 FCR spirit monarch.

but right now, at this point....

i do not know if i actually want to have a ES/lightning sorc, because

at level 90 my lightning damage will be about 28k. and at lvl 95, my lightning damage will be 31k. i intend to just level my sorc till lvl 90, 95 is too much :/.

well, if i sacrificed 5 points from telekinesis then maybe i can reach 31k.

well you see, getting the max damage high does increase the average damage quite a bit i guess. but i don't know how am i gonna do with 28k damage lol.

and if i'm a purely non-ES lightning sorc, my damage will be 38k. is that 5k average damage worth it?

please help... also i don't intend to have max block :).

[monte cristo]

ES means you survive a lot more. You'll just have slightly lower damage, you will definately not see a difference between 28 and 31k. And taking points from TK is pointless if you're making an ES sorc.

I prefer more protection, I'd always choose the ES route. So, IMO, the 5k damage is not worth it when you already do 14k average before pvp penalty.

[sorceressgod]

hmm.. u made a point... i'll get a griffons and try out ES/lite :)

[BluzMan]

What is the point of having lidless on switch when you have spirit as your main shield?

[RetroStar]

U dont need to use chain light. His minions are always stacked near to him, coz he teles all the time, so 1 hit with light his direction and he will stand alone in the midle of his huricane :) with half cyclone armor down.

CL allows easier aim as wolves may wonder off. You'll need perfect aim to nail all the minions + druid at once. CL if you hit any of the minion, results in ensured hit.

[sorceressgod]

yeah. today i tested out CL on wind druids with minions. ALL minions down :P. they always run to a corner to recast their minions and spew tornadoes over the place.

once the oak sage is down... merry christmas :)

[WhiteAlien]

CL allows easier aim as wolves may wonder off. You'll need perfect aim to nail all the minions + druid at once. CL if you hit any of the minion, results in ensured hit.

I'm handy on that. About tele wind druids there is a glitch. They always tele on your head, what means U always now their next move. Their FCR is much lower than yours so U need just tele away in right moment and just after cast light in place where U just stand. It works 90%. The rest 10% are more skilled and they tele in zig zag spawning tornados in every direction hoping U tele in one or just waiting for luck. Very often they res are very good too, so dont expect fast death or dont try to tank them. Even when their Cyclon armor is down they are very resistable.

[TarnishedHope]

Psh, in response to a post from before, a godly BvC barb can wipe the floor with windys =o

But again, that's BvC.

I wouldn't call teleing on your head a "glitch", but something that most wind druids love to do.

Generally, a well-played windy are rather tough for Bliz sorcs... Since each wind druid's play style is more or less different, it's really hard for anyone to give you a set strat. against them.

However, if you are an ES Orber, you would stand a much better chance than just regular sorcs.

ES Light sorcs are just cheap =x They can break windy's cyclone armor with 1 lightning, and can generally tank them fairly easily.

[DarkMousy]

Any bmana es sorc using SS can tank windies to hell.