PDA

View Full Version : A char to complement a fire-sorc

PerPastill
01-02-2006, 20:29
Hello,

Which char, except the boring skeliemancer or hammerdin, should I make to team up with a firesorc? We are planning to solo normal/nm/hell a-z, no baalruns etc. We don't have any starting eq.

Thanks!
terrymanning
01-02-2006, 21:00
Hello,

Which char, except the boring skeliemancer or hammerdin, should I make to team up with a firesorc? We are planning to solo normal/nm/hell a-z, no baalruns etc. We don't have any starting eq.

Thanks!

Trapper or Javazon?
Baranor
01-02-2006, 21:06
Hehehe a fist of the heavens paladin with max conviction.... really ups the damage on the sorc, and he's totally silly himself. Other than that, an avenger with max vengance//conviction and a holy freeze merc. Give the mec insight so that he can regenerate your mana and you have a fun combo.
PhatTrumpet
01-02-2006, 22:10
Trapper or Javazon?
Agreed.10chars
Rekoc
01-02-2006, 22:28
Trapper > java all the way!
MoUsE_WiZ
01-02-2006, 22:32
FA/LF hybrid zon.
YouHaveMail
01-02-2006, 23:02
Hopw fun is avenger? And does IM affect it? Avenger always sounded cute and fun to play.
viamede
01-02-2006, 23:31
Whack stuff one at a time but not too fast.

Yes as your elemental damage is a multiple of your physical damage so you need some physical damage...so range.

The aura is the best part...though you still jump a bit when you see it on the council til you remember it's YOUR aura...muahaha...
STINGER
01-02-2006, 23:33
Hehehe a fist of the heavens paladin with max conviction.... really ups the damage on the sorc, and he's totally silly himself. Other than that, an avenger with max vengance//conviction and a holy freeze merc. Give the mec insight so that he can regenerate your mana and you have a fun combo.

Cant think of a better damage addition to any sorc frankly than these.

Avengers can rock but they are far from immune to IM they need a big damage weapon as all thier Vengance damage is based on the weapon. He wont die in one hit or super quickly like a WW Barb or Zealot but he needs to be carefull. Holy Freeze would indeed be a very good addition, and the Sorc can use Defiance.

Only problem is no life boosting and no tanks, but as long as Freeze is up it will be in slow mode.......

A FoH build IIRC can also use that skill that pushes undead away from you....

Avenger could be a perscription of dead in NM the Fire will kill so fast those FEs will die so quick there will be no time to ract unless the pally plays cautious....if he is a caster himself then he has little to worry about.



Just thought of another......Poison Necro with Lower Res....use Walls and Prisons to control the crowds.....sounds intense!
PerPastill
02-02-2006, 19:03
Hello agan!

Thanks for the many responses :) I'll answer in order..

Give the mec insight so that he can regenerate your mana and you have a fun combo.
Insight? :)
Trapper or Javazon?
Searched a bit for a trapper, couldn't figure out what that is. I'm thinking a necromancer with prison and wall? :)
The javazon looks cool, but I thought she was only good for doing cowruns?
Agreed.10chars
Is this diablo2 talk for "my 10 cents"? :)
FA/LF hybrid zon.
WHAT? hehe...

And you keep mentioning IM, what does it mean?

Avenger could be a perscription of dead in NM the Fire will kill so fast those FEs will die so quick there will be no time to ract unless the pally plays cautious....if he is a caster himself then he has little to worry about.
FE?
So no avenger then?

Hehe, the necro sounds cute but wierd :)

I just feel that the skelliemancer is so passive and hammerdins are so boring and frustrating, trying to hit people with the hammers all the time..

Seems like a paladin is the most popular response then.. Which is cool, I just don't want to be a spectator whos only there to provide the aura and take hits.. :) I want to kill stuff too, damnit!

Remember the focus is walking through hell, as I guess most good builds will suffice for the rest.

Thanks again!
Blue Bird
02-02-2006, 19:36
The aura is the best part...though you still jump a bit when you see it on the council til you remember it's YOUR aura...muahaha...


hahahahaha... and then you see it on the council when it ISN'T your aura, and you think it's yours. Who gets the last laugh then? Muahahahahaha!! >:D
PhatTrumpet
02-02-2006, 20:48
Insight? :)
Runeword, polearms and staves only, Ral Tir Tal Sol. It does nice damage, especially in ethereal elite poles (ethereal is fine if you're only going to stick it on a Merc), but its true selling point is that it grants Meditation aura (that's the aura that increases your mana regeneration by ridiculous amounts).
Searched a bit for a trapper, couldn't figure out what that is. I'm thinking a necromancer with prison and wall? :)
Trapper = Trap Assasin. You basically max Death Sentry and a bunch of Lightning Traps. Death Sentry is like Corpse Explode on crack and Lightning Sentries are like having an automated Lightning Sorc sidekick.

Bone Prison and Bone Wall have their uses, but you'd be much better off focusing on Skeleton Warriors, Skeleton Mastery, and Corpse Explode (1 point in all curses, Bone Armor, Revive, Clay Golem, Golem Mastery, Summon Resist). Maxed skeletons actually make for much better meat shields than prison/wall because they regenerate hitpoints.
The javazon looks cool, but I thought she was only good for doing cowruns?
They can run The Pits rather well and can even run Baal with decent equip. Being the hands-down best cow killer is just a bonus.
Is this diablo2 talk for "my 10 cents"? :)
Clever, but no. My reply was less than ten characters, and the forum doesn't allow you to post anything less than ten characters to reduce spam, so I typed "10chars" to get my post above ten characters.
WHAT? hehe...
FA = Freezing Arrow, LF = Lightning Fury.

Lightning Fury is really a 20-point wonder whereas most other synergized skills require you to invest quite a bit in synergies to be of any use. To deal with lightning immunes you have several options, but Mousey is suggesting Freezing Arrow, for which you would max Freezing Arrow and its damage synergy (Cold Arrow). With this skill placement and very mediocre gear you'll be doing about 1k Lightning Fury per bolt with about 25 bolts and 1.5k Freezing Arrow which also freezes everything within a given radius. Toss in some Pierce and the other passives and you've got yourself a very competent (but mana-hungry) killer.
And you keep mentioning IM, what does it mean?
IM = Iron Maiden.

It's a curse cast by Oblivion Knights (found in Chaos Sanctuary on every difficulty, Worldstone level 3 and Throne of Destruction on nightmare and hell) that multiplies and returns the melee physical damage you deal while cursed. In normal you can get away with a few swings and possibly escape with your life, but after that it's pretty much a one-hit-KO if you whack something while cursed. This is why physical melee builds are not as popular anymore (you used to be able to load on life leech and damage reduction to counter the curse).
FE?
So no avenger then?
I'm against an Avenger. The last thing a pure fire sorc needs is more damage enhancement (Conviction). She'll be doing plenty of damage with fully synergized Meteor and Fireball. I would much rather go for a build that offers a second/third element and can possibly provide some tanking. a Javazon has a Valkyrie while a Trapper has a Shadow; both can be recast at will as meat shields.
STINGER
02-02-2006, 20:58
Deleted.............PT was faster and posted better!
PerPastill
02-02-2006, 23:02
I'm against an Avenger. The last thing a pure fire sorc needs is more damage enhancement (Conviction). She'll be doing plenty of damage with fully synergized Meteor and Fireball. I would much rather go for a build that offers a second/third element and can possibly provide some tanking. a Javazon has a Valkyrie while a Trapper has a Shadow; both can be recast at will as meat shields.
Nice. Okay so not a paladin then?

Hrm, I've never played either of the classes or builds that you suggest, so this might be fun. Certainly seem more involving than my last hammerdin.

Of the javazon and trapper then, which would make the most damage? Both would use lightening most of the time I guess, so it boils down to which does most?

I'll only be playing this char with the pure fire sorc, and I'll play it like it was meant to be (i.e from start to finish, not baal runs, cow runs, whatever). This also means I probably won't get much good eq..
PerPastill
03-02-2006, 00:28
Thinking a bit more about it, I guess a trapper sorta falls in the summoner/hammerdin category... you set the traps, you wait, you get bored... While the javazon is more running around and aiming, which makes him more fun to play, for me anyway. Is this correctly assessed on my part? :)
Full_Circle
03-02-2006, 01:29
Of the javazon and trapper then, which would make the most damage?

ROOOOOOAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR~

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/8452/screenshot0674sn.jpg
kndnguy
03-02-2006, 17:28
Trapper > java all the way!
WTB!!!! :afro: java > trapper fo sho. silly spadeypoo

edit: trebkake i miss your seksi zon :( she was so nekkid in hell
and If you did not catch my drift, I would select a javazon :fortuneteller: for javazons will rule the earth.
PerPastill
08-02-2006, 21:26
So I've maxed lf and cs, and think they are both great. a bit unsure where to spend my points next. pierce seems pretty good, which i have a point in (so 5 with bonuses). same with valkyrie. i have a point in ls, giving me 9 total. i find it somewhat useless, but 1% per level will give me +29% damage total, so I guess it should be maxed even if i find it useless?

what about ps or the poison stuff? i personally loathe poison-based dmg..
PerPastill
08-02-2006, 21:29
ROOOOOOAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR~

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/8452/screenshot0674sn.jpg
4k damage!? whoa, I only do 1-1171 at level 70.. what's your secret? :)

I use the titans and have some okay +stuff but nothing great I guess..
PerPastill
09-02-2006, 12:20
Seems theres something wrong with the forums? This doesn't get "bumped".. :(
PerPastill
09-02-2006, 15:36
Since the lf synergies doesn't give much I guess perhaps going the freezing arrow-route is a good choice? or..
VisMaior
09-02-2006, 15:37
His secret is 15+ to skills.
PerPastill
09-02-2006, 16:40
Okay, something is wierd with the forum here. I just got an email:

This thread is located at:
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=422367&goto=newpost

Here is the message that has just been posted:
***************
His secret is 15+ to skills.
***************


But I can't see it anywhere...
VisMaior
09-02-2006, 16:47
I was wrong. Correct would be: 25 levels + to skills.
Look at the skill description. It is a lvl 45 Charged strike. Its safe to assume he has a LF close to that too.
PerPastill
09-02-2006, 17:27
I was wrong. Correct would be: 25 levels + to skills.
Look at the skill description. It is a lvl 45 Charged strike. Its safe to assume he has a LF close to that too.
10k?!?! +25 skills ?!? whoooa

How on earth is that possible..:shocked: Highes I've ever been is +9 to all jave skills :cry:
PhatTrumpet
09-02-2006, 18:16
Griffon (+1)
Ammy (+2)
Titan's/TStrokes (+4)
Gloves (+3)
BK (+1)
Torch (+3)
Anni (+1)
Skillers (+9)
Battle Commands (+1)

= +25

Toss in TGods and you've got lvl 45 CS with lvl 48 LF.

Can't see his shield very well...
Valar-Wrath
09-02-2006, 19:29
Can't see his shield very well...

Looks like a 'Spirit'.
PhatTrumpet
09-02-2006, 20:50
Too bad he's only got 112 str.


































POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONED~
PerPastill
09-02-2006, 21:09
Why pooooooooned?

Anyway, lets not get carried away here.. I have some previous posts which are still unanswered.. :)

Anyone feel like giving me some of that eq listed except Titans? lol..
Halas
09-02-2006, 22:13
I thought one of his shields (on switch with tstrokes) had 4x 5/5 or 5/4 lit facets, but that could have been on his retired 94 zon. Do tell your secret treb, or i'll have to hax your account and take screenies myself.

RaawRARRR

.sup
xeyloderixed
09-02-2006, 22:58
because of my seduction prowess i actually know what both shields are:

main - titans+sanctuary
switch - tstroke+3x faceted of deflecting
Valar-Wrath
09-02-2006, 23:39
Too bad he's only got 112 str.


































POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONED~

Hate when that happens. :largeannoyed:
Full_Circle
10-02-2006, 01:34
It's a Jeweler's Gothic Shield of Deflecting with 3x Facet. :)
Halas
10-02-2006, 02:11
lies. he photoshopped that pic~
xeyloderixed
10-02-2006, 03:05
lies. he photoshopped that pic~

vouch

we know treb's photoshop skills~
Full_Circle
10-02-2006, 06:32
lies. he photoshopped that pic~

absolutely untrue... here's my latest (level 94) pic as proof... not doctored in any way.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5230/screenshot0757ar.jpg
Halas
10-02-2006, 07:27
OMGZOR how did you get that many skillls!?~!
PerPastill
10-02-2006, 13:42
yes yes very nice :)

let get back on topic eh? some 10 posts before this i have some questions :)
LuckyDwarf
10-02-2006, 20:57
OMGZOR how did you get that many skillls!?~!

That's his zon on the new 1.12 beta.. they made even more overpowered runewords. If that was possible.

Lucky
PhatTrumpet
10-02-2006, 22:06
Since the lf synergies doesn't give much I guess perhaps going the freezing arrow-route is a good choice? or..
Not really. Just follow the Lightning Javazon guide.
Full_Circle
11-02-2006, 02:09
There are lots of different ways to build a javazon. Some use poison, some use a bow switch... they all work. I'm a big fan of the 1 all passives & rest cs/lf synergies approach. The one I screenshotted there is an almost pure damage build. 1DAE, 1pre-reqs and pierce, rest cs/lf synergies. No Valk/Decoy. Synergies will be complete at lv 98 (yeah, right).

I really don't think it's worth skipping the 1 in valk/decoy, though. They give you a solid answer for dolls, which the pure damage version sort of lacks.

edit: oh, and the facets in my shield are all junk facets. They were 3/-3, 3/-4, and 4/-4.