Need help with FoHer gear/stat/skill point distribution

[SpacedOut]

I've searched these forums and google trying to find a mini-guide, but keep getting blank/white screens on this forum (php error perhaps?) and unclear things off google. Anyways, I've started to make an FoHer, and have gotten him to lvl 32. I plan on leveling him to lvl 85. Most FoHers I see use silks as their armor. So I jumped ahead and put stat pts into str to boost it to 100. I don't like taking the time to find str rings etc.

I'd like to know what gear I am looking for. Some of it is obvious, some not to clear on. Right now I'm using this,

Helm: tarn
ammy: +1 19life 8mana 17priz
shield: 3soc pdiamond towershield
armor: silks
weapon: stormeye scepter
belt: nightsmoke
gloves: magefists
rings: 15fr/10pr fcr ring & 30cr 15lr 30pr half freeze ring
boots: 30frw 40fr/30pr

As I level up I'd switch to a +2 weapon/din shield/+2 ammy. Couple questions though. Do I ever put any pts into mana, since FoH is mana heavy? or do I just continue pumping into vitality like most builds do. And about skill pts, I know to max conviction/foh/holy shock, not sure how many pts should go into holy shield. While leveling up, should I max conviction first or alternate lvl up skill pts as FoH/conviction/FoH/conviction etc.

Also I'd like to know what gear to look for. Obviously, din ammy/shield/weapon, but I am not sure if I should use magefists (is fcr important) or some res gloves and if nightsmoke is a garbage belt for an FoHer...

[Xytras]

hate to break it to you.......but
FOHers should have NO STR what so ever
they should be All vitality
you should not be wearing silks

you should wear this

fhr life resist helmet
hawkmail or fhr str life resist armor(low str req)
your boots are good enough for now
you should use resist gloves
2 sojs or resist rings
2 skill ammy
2 skill weapon (resist, str, life a bonus)
fhr str life resist belt
sharkskin or demonhide are best for belts
and obviouslty a 2skill pally shield

another good setup is
irathas with hawmail
and all the other stuff i just listed

[Rawly]

hate to break it to you.......but
FOHers should have NO STR what so ever
they should be All vitality
you should not be wearing silks

you should wear this

fhr life resist helmet
hawkmail or fhr str life resist armor(low str req)
your boots are good enough for now
you should use resist gloves
2 sojs or resist rings
2 skill ammy
2 skill weapon (resist, str, life a bonus)
fhr str life resist belt
sharkskin or demonhide are best for belts
and obviouslty a 2skill pally shield

another good setup is
irathas with hawmail
and all the other stuff i just listed

Hmm are you assuming he is going to use this character for dueling dont think he said that.

Are you assuming he can afford or find what you have listed?

I think too often ppl assume too much on this forum.

And if this is for dueling your gear is dependant on who you are dueling it is not likely that one set up is going to work on for all characters.

This is not to say i disagree with your ideas but for example if you were going to duel other FoH duelers you might lose badly if you dont out conviction the other person so silks could be vital.

[LukeJames]

Well Rawly, FOH'ers only have one option and that is to duel.

*Don't use Storm Eye, only use it until you hit level 42 at which case you can use a +2 Paladin Scepter.

*FCR doesn't effect FOH

*Remember if you are using a +2 scepter that synergy bonuses (+3 to holy bolt) do not amplify the attack's damage.

*You don't need FR or PR at all, take off those boots they were meant for a hammerdin. All your gear must be Lightning and Cold Resistant, no exceptions besides from Prizmatic. Just throw on Magic Amber Boots (40% LR) or Magic Saphire Boots (40% CR) until you find boots with high Cold/Lightning Resist.

*Take off Nightsmoke unless you are really really poor, that belt is a piece of crap. I suggest finding a belt with 24% Faster Hit Recovery, 30+ Life and either Cold or Lightning Resist.

*If you want quick mana, throw on frostburns. Magefist aren't meant for FOH'ers.

*Get rings with Cold/Lightning resist or High Life (20+) and High Mana (40+).

*+1 from Tarn, +1 from Silks, +2 from scepter +1 from Ammy. That's +5, not too bad. Once you get SOJs you know to dump them on this character, same with a +2 ammy and +2 Prizmatic shield.

[Rawly]

Well Rawly, FOH'ers only have one option and that is to duel.


I dont see why, i have often thought that Conviction which is a main part of this build is very useful for groups in hell, as a high level will remove immunities from most monsters in Hell. Admittedly the FoH part is not very useful but tbh babas are not very useful in CS except for BO which is a support function so why not FoH pala.

[LukeJames]

Yes, they can do CS with conviction helping sorceresses..
But they don't need to waste all their gear for the FR needed for cs..
Just like Babas don't use permanent FR gear on their characters just because they BO in cs..

[Rawly]

Yes, they can do CS with conviction helping sorceresses..
But they don't need to waste all their gear for the FR needed for cs..
Just like Babas don't use permanent FR gear on their characters just because they BO in cs..

Dont think i was talking about items just the assumptions people make about certain characters, I know a certain high level paladin on european realms getting very annoyed that i joined his public cs runs with my FoH'er when all i was doing was following with conviction aura on, i suppose it can be annoying having conviction aura on everything when you are looking out for conviction bosses (very dangerous in cs) but still dont see why you cant level him same as other characters so long as you are useful and or dont slow things down.

Well i would have to disagree with you there my ladder baba has permanent gear for max bo and max resists in hell cs. Although not stacked fr as dont have enough slots for that.

[LukeJames]

You still don't understand.
His gear for DUELING includes FR and PR.
That's like a baba using Life Leech or Mana Leech in a duel, effective for PVM but not in PVP.

And no, you would never use FR or PR on a FOH'er at any time.
They don't battle in CS, all they do is sit on their butts with conviction on.
You're talking about leveling a FOH'er, sure use conviction but you don't retain the exact same gear from PVM to PVP.

[Kiwi Legend]

Reference -- Getting jumped at for being in cs using FOH

I personally could careless who is in my runs as long as I have 1 sorc (who is useful) and decent bo. Fill the game with anything else for all I care. I dont know why people are so obsessed with having 5 godly dins and a perfect run going. cs is the best place to lvl, im happy for any builds to join in. Plus if your the only killer in a game, your going to get most boss drops..BONUS!!!

[LukeJames]

Chaos Sanctuary is hilarious with a popper.
He walks up to a fallen Seis and everyone crowds around, he's like "GO AWAY! MY POPS!"
Then he pops and the items are gobbled.

[Rawly]

You still don't understand.
His gear for DUELING includes FR and PR.
That's like a baba using Life Leech or Mana Leech in a duel, effective for PVM but not in PVP.

And no, you would never use FR or PR on a FOH'er at any time.
They don't battle in CS, all they do is sit on their butts with conviction on.
You're talking about leveling a FOH'er, sure use conviction but you don't retain the exact same gear from PVM to PVP.

Im sorry to harp on about this but im in an arguementative mood. (too little sleep). Where in his post does it say he is a dueler? now it is quite probable but my origonal post was just pointing out that people in this forum always assume things.
1. is he only going to duel? or even duel at all?
2. does he have any better items?, why would any one use poision resist at all if unless that is all they have?
3. think you need some fr for dueling to stop you getting pasted by fire sorcs.

and finally all i am doing is responding to your posts about my posts and as far as i can see you are not following the discussion, please read it though again and maybe you will understand my point.

[LukeJames]

There's only one ***** reason people make a FOH, that is for dueling.
If he was going to be PVM he would be an AVENGER.
Fire Sorces are extremely rare in West (I've dueled about 1 level 30+ Fire Sorc this season)
You can MAKE better items using cube recipes, you can make 20+ LR rings and 20+ Cr rings, if his gear is crap he can use magics.

[Kiwi Legend]

Chaos Sanctuary is hilarious with a popper.
He walks up to a fallen Seis and everyone crowds around, he's like "GO AWAY! MY POPS!"
Then he pops and the items are gobbled.

pops are for the poppers, by the same token he better not touch my seis drop.

[fredsta54]

With no fire resist, fball sorcs will 1 hit kill him. But yeah, i agree he should only get fr + cr from gear, and then when the occasional fball sorc comes just use hotspur + 3pdiamond :)


EDIT: and i have made a pvp foher with all + skills, dual sojs, +2 ammy, +2 shield, silks, etc. Silks is not worth the strength investement, and your better off with fhr//resists armour. Just make sure to get lvl 25 convict






Fred

[fledgeling]

but dont you need silks if you go foh vs foh?

does the conviction bug exist or not?

Ive abandoned my foher because I totally didnt like this type of char

[LukeJames]

East must be interesting.
We only have ice sorceresses in West.
Not a single fire or lightning to be found.

[SpacedOut]

ty for the replies, I now have a better understanding of FoHers ;) However I assume I don't ever put any pts into mana and just rely on things like frostburn, etc.

[WhiteLightning]

However I assume I don't ever put any pts into mana and just rely on things like frostburn, etc.


Well, don't put any points into mana, that's for sure. I would not recommend using frosties. I would recommend using mana pots. Use some nice gloves with resists and stats. Besides, you should be aiming to keep your strength as low as possible.

[SpacedOut]

I deleted my pally and just started over ;\ (it was only lvl 39 anyways). As for gear some of those things I don't have yet so I'd better pull out the old MFer ;)