dualdreamsorc revisited

[Gimmershred]

Hi,
i made 2 dualdreamsorc on ladder2 and i am gonna try it again on ladder 3. I want to play both pvm and pvp a bit with it but i'm not sure about my equipment so maybe you can take a look and give me your thoughts.

first the skills wich are pretty obvious to me.
Fire Mastery 20points
Lightning Mastery 20points
Enchant 20points
Telekineses 20points
Warmth 20points
Frozen armor 1point
Prereqs 1firbolt, 1fireball
103skillpoints , done at level 91. I will get energyshield from a orb or memory.

Now for my gear. There are a couple of essential things i would like to get:
First of all i am going to use passion pb and double dream offcourse.

weapon:Passion pb
Helm:Dream circlet
Shield:Dream scutum

Now i have the rest to get the following:
IAS : 5% for11/8zeal, 30%for9/8zeal, 40%for10/7 zeal
AR : Can't pvp without it
+skills: not only for damage, but also to reach lvl 4 zeal for 5 hits.
Little bit of fcr: trying to get 10-20% for 12 or 11 frame tele.
Mana : Meleesorc always die too fast, and my es gonna be pretty high.
CBF mod
max resists

To get all these 7things is pretty impossible, and off course i read all the guides out there. I came to another conclusion for my gear setup though, cause i am kind of an ias freak.

Armor: 45ias/45res cham armor (of the whale if i can afford it)
Amulet: Metalgrid
Ring1: Soj
Ring2: soj
Gloves: Frostburn or magefists
Belt: Hsarus belt
Boots: Hsarus boots

Why this weird setup you might ask yourself? Because i get the following:
10/7 zeal
good AR from hsarus+metalgrid
enough skills with anni to get 5hit zeal.
20%fcr with mages, but i really like the mana from frostburns
A good manapool for energyshield cause of 2xsoj frosts.
Cbf from the armor
Max resists with a nice torch+anni. some stack with some sc's maybe.

I can also replace the passion with a shaeled wizspike when necesarry for a 10fpa normal attack with this setup

So how does this look? Is it worth replacing coh with this armor or do you think it's a waste of expensive jewels? Also is it worth putting magefists instead of frosts for the 2frame faster tele, or will my manapool be severely lowered? I can't seem to find another solution to getting some ias/res and still have a nice manapool then using this setup.....

[rickster]

Possibly switch the ammy, to get one with +skills, +resists, +20% fcr, and +dex(to make up for the lost AR you got from metal grid). Then you can keep frosties for mana instead of using magefists.

[Gimmershred]

Possibly switch the ammy, to get one with +skills, +resists, +20% fcr, and +dex(to make up for the lost AR you got from metal grid). Then you can keep frosties for mana instead of using magefists.

that's great for pvm and for pvp vs lowdef chars indeed.
But a cheaper solution then might be to just replace hsarus with a arachnid and take some nice boots.

I also just found out that with a shaeled widowmaker and 10% extra ias, i will shoot 10fpa arrows using this armor. The thing i don't like about this all is that i walk and tele damn slow. it might be hard retreating from big monsterpacks.

[Dad Daniel]

Hi,
Armor: 45ias/45res cham armor (of the whale if i can afford it)
Amulet: Metalgrid
Ring1: Soj
Ring2: soj
Gloves: Frostburn or magefists
Belt: Hsarus belt
Boots: Hsarus boots



You will gonna throw such immense quantity of wealth in such grotesque creation as this armor in your plan?!
Do you ever heard about Threachery armor - 1.11 best new rune word for 3 soc armor.

Shael + Thul + Lem
5% Chance To Cast Level 15 Fade When Struck
25% Chance To Cast level 15 Venom On Striking
+2 To Assassin Skills
+45% Increased Attack Speed
+20% Faster Hit Recovery
Cold Resist +30%
50% Extra Gold From Monsters

For the redicilous price of sole lem rune you will get from this nasty armor - 75% all resist (from the fade), 15% damage reduction ( hidden fade bonus), and your so needed 45 %ias.

I am not even mentioning the 20 % FHR bonus and the neat 30% cold resist.

For the initial "Cannot be Frozen" mode swap one from the sojs for good att rating/20dex raven frost ring - you will get another sweet boost in the att rating - so needed for this build.

[Gimmershred]

You will gonna throw such immense quantity of wealth in such grotesque creation as this armor in your plan?!
Do you ever heard about Threachery armor - 1.11 best new rune word for 3 soc armor.

Shael + Thul + Lem
5% Chance To Cast Level 15 Fade When Struck
25% Chance To Cast level 15 Venom On Striking
+2 To Assassin Skills
+45% Increased Attack Speed
+20% Faster Hit Recovery
Cold Resist +30%
50% Extra Gold From Monsters

For the redicilous price of sole lem rune you will get from this nasty armor - 75% all resist (from the fade), 15% damage reduction ( hidden fade bonus), and your so needed 45 %ias.

I am not even mentioning the 20 % FHR bonus and the neat 30% cold resist.

For the initial "Cannot be Frozen mode" swap one from the sojs for good att rating/20dex raven frost ring - you will get another sweet boost in the att rating - so needed for this build.

Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, it's nice when fade gets off, but i don't feel like waiting for that 5% or going to prebuff it everytime i die in a duel (wich will happen alot).
Also the fact that i need to replace 1 soj with the raven has 2 very nasty disadvantages. First of i won't reach lvl 4 zeal anymore using it, wich is crucial to get 5 hits off, and second my manapool gets lowered big again.
Fhr isn't that importans since i get a good deal from dreams and zeal is uninteruptable.
And in pure meleeduels i switch to a shaft anyways for some dr.

And yes, the armor i planning to make might be grotesque and will have little tradevalue, that's why i asking everones opinion in this topic.But for now on it still seems the best armor for this build.

[Gimmershred]

Could some more experts shine their light on this pls before i make this totally expensive armor? I would like to hear some more reactions

[rickster]

Maybe this will work

Armor: CoH(massive resists and skills)
Amulet: Cat's eye (dex and 20% IAS)
Ring1: soj
Ring2: ravenfrost (dex, ar, CBF)
Gloves:20% IAS rare gloves with good mods(or lavagout, or you can do bloodfists + gold wrap)
Belt: arach 20% FCS (or if you have mana problems you can get Gloom's Trap, or go the Hsarus set combo).
Boots: pretty flexible, you can get rare resists boots, or get Silkweave for mana, or stat boots or w/e

You need lvl 4 zeal to have 5 attack zeal
+1 come from passion, +3 comes from torch, +1 from anni, +1 from soj, +1 from arach, +2 from CoH
You reach 10/7 zeal with 20% IAS from Cat's eye, and 20% from gloves.

Hit recovery break points for the sorc:
0 5 9 14 20 30 42 60 86
With 2 dreams you have 40-60 FHR

Cast rate break points for the sorc:
0 9 20 37 63
You get 20 from arach

Solid AR from raven, Cat's eye
CBF from Raven
Decent mana pool with soj/arach (maybe silkweaves, maybe IAS gloves have +mana )
Good resists with CoH and depending on boots/gloves and charms

There I made another option for you. Not sure how practical it is, since you'd lose a lot of AR. You might have to get some 3/20/20 charms or something.

[Gimmershred]

Maybe this will work

Armor: CoH(massive resists and skills)
Amulet: Cat's eye (dex and 20% IAS)
Ring1: soj
Ring2: ravenfrost (dex, ar, CBF)
Gloves:20% IAS rare gloves with good mods(or lavagout, or you can do bloodfists + gold wrap)
Belt: arach 20% FCS (or if you have mana problems you can get Gloom's Trap, or go the Hsarus set combo).
Boots: pretty flexible, you can get rare resists boots, or get Silkweave for mana, or stat boots or w/e


You need lvl 4 zeal to have 5 attack zeal
+1 come from passion, +3 comes from torch, +1 from anni, +1 from soj, +1 from arach, +2 from CoH
You reach 10/7 zeal with 20% IAS from Cat's eye, and 20% from gloves.

Enough +skills indeed, i will reach lvl 6zeal (sorchtorch doesnt count) wich also boosts the %ar a tiny bit, But Metalgrid is a big ar supplier wich i will loose. My res stays the same, i'll get 30more on coh but i will loose 30-35 from the metalgrid. Even more important is that i can't use frostburns wich raises my mana with 40% and i can only use 1 soj wich raises it with 25%. My energyshield will severely weaken.

Hit recovery break points for the sorc:
0 5 9 14 20 30 42 60 86
With 2 dreams you have 40-60 FHR

yea, i'll go for the 60 i think , maybe 86 when i am not zealing. Thats the only reason i want zeal anyways. I can tele next to someone hit shift+attack without having to namelock and my attack is uninteruptable.

Maybe this will workCast rate break points for the sorc:
0 9 20 37 63
You get 20 from arach
Maybe i should replace 1 soj with a 10fcr/huge-mana/ar ring to hit the 9 break always? Vs most casters i will use arach + silkweaves then because i don't need the ar of hsarus for them.


Solid AR from raven, Cat's eye
CBF from Raven
Decent mana pool with soj/arach (maybe silkweaves, maybe IAS gloves have +mana )
Good resists with CoH and depending on boots/gloves and charms .

The ar won't be enough for hitting meleechars in pvp. My 90%extra mana is
reduced to 40%.

i counted out i am going to get +-lvl 21 es after all +skills. I also counted out that i get after my gear+bo+charms around : 2450 mana and 1110 life. According to the es calculator i used this was the best mana/life ratio to use with that lvl energyshield. Can anyone confirm this?

[DennisBergkamp]

I also just found out that with a shaeled widowmaker and 10% extra ias, i will shoot 10fpa arrows using this armor. The thing i don't like about this all is that i walk and tele damn slow. it might be hard retreating from big monsterpacks.

You do know that you will severely lower the extra damage from dream and enchant when using a bow? I believe the lightning/fire mastery bonuses won't apply when hitting, in addition to losing your dream shield of course...

[DennisBergkamp]

Hmm, anyway, I'm now noticing this is a very hard build to balance, it seems extremely difficult to get all the necessary IAS/FHR/skills/extra mana%/resistances to make it all worthwhile. Especially since:

weapon:Passion pb
Helm:Dream circlet
Shield:Dream scutum

is the equipment you will definitely be stuck with, since that's what this whole build is about :grin: . No stormshield for max block, hopefully ES will compensate for that.

However, I think your initial setup looks really good, but I would definitely swap out one of the SOJs for a 20dex/240+ AR ravenfrost for the sweet AR, nice mana, handy dex for PB reqs... this would also allow you to take out the cham of that armor (ridiculously expensive armor + jewels by the way), and put in something more interesting. Now, CoH would be a good option for armor, but you do need around 40% extra IAS for max attack speed zeal I think (which is a definite MUST in this kind of build), so there might not be many other options... maybe crafted 20% IAS gloves and highlords/cat's eye along with the CoH? Now this makes your manashield a heck of a lot smaller and lowers your AR some, but you should be able to compensate with a bunch of AR scs.
I was gonna say maybe go for treks/arach's, but you do need a boatload of AR to actually hit those zealots/iron barbs, so Hsaru's may well be your only option here. Rickster's build looks very solid too I'm now noticing, but I think you'll need more AR than that.

Argh, anyway, a very difficult build you're attempting here indeed. It might be easier to go the Bear route here instead (even though you can't teleport as freely), probably not nearly as much fun though. I wish you luck!

[Gimmershred]

Hmm, anyway, I'm now noticing this is a very hard build to balance, it seems extremely difficult to get all the necessary IAS/FHR/skills/extra mana%/resistances to make it all worthwhile. Especially since:

weapon:Passion pb
Helm:Dream circlet
Shield:Dream scutum

is the equipment you will definitely be stuck with, since that's what this whole build is about :grin: . No stormshield for max block, hopefully ES will compensate for that.

However, I think your initial setup looks really good, but I would definitely swap out one of the SOJs for a 20dex/240+ AR ravenfrost for the sweet AR, nice mana, handy dex for PB reqs... this would also allow you to take out the cham of that armor (ridiculously expensive armor + jewels by the way), and put in something more interesting. Now, CoH would be a good option for armor, but you do need around 40% extra IAS for max attack speed zeal I think (which is a definite MUST in this kind of build), so there might not be many other options... maybe crafted 20% IAS gloves and highlords/cat's eye along with the CoH? Now this makes your manashield a heck of a lot smaller and lowers your AR some, but you should be able to compensate with a bunch of AR scs.
I was gonna say maybe go for treks/arach's, but you do need a boatload of AR to actually hit those zealots/iron barbs, so Hsaru's may well be your only option here. Rickster's build looks very solid too I'm now noticing, but I think you'll need more AR than that.

Argh, anyway, a very difficult build you're attempting here indeed. It might be easier to go the Bear route here instead (even though you can't teleport as freely), probably not nearly as much fun though. I wish you luck!

I got the armor ready. It's a 45ias/44res chammed gothic plate of the whale with 90 life. Also the rest of my gear is pretty much complete except for 2 skillers and my prebuff equip. I can't really switch rings because i need the soj also to reach lvl 4 zeal so i get 5 hits. I think with a lvl 45 prebuff enchant my ar should be good enough with metalgrid/hsarus. I really also want to use frostburns for the 40% extra mana it gives. I am going to build this char next week and will let you know how it works out.

1 other question, should i go with max block on whitstans (eld) and swap my dream shield for that when i am duelling meleechars, or shield i just go all vita and try tele in /zeal/ tele out even vs ww barbs and stuff? It's more of a pk char anyways in pubby's

[DennisBergkamp]

I used to have an zeal enchantress using 2xdream in the previous ladder season, just never attempted PvP with it. In PvM she dealt so much damage, wasn't even funny.
Right now, I'm also contemplating a pvp enchantress... however, there seem to be so many options:

1) Bear Enchantress, beast caddy (not sure how the attack speed is with using this weapon), angelic jewelry (or 1x raven, 1 angelic), 2x dream, aldur's boots, dungos, frostburn, CoH...

2) Bear Enchantress, 6os pb with 3xshael 3xeth (4xshael 2xeth/2xshael 4xeth??? I'm not too sure how -% def works in pvp), ravens, mara's/metalgrid, 2x dream, aldur's boots, dungos, frostburn, CoH...

3) Zeal Enchantress, passion, CoH, crafted gloves w IAS, highlords, 2x ravens, hsaru belt/boots, 2x dream. (with battlecommand from cta = lvl 5 zeal).

4) Either one of above but switch out dream shield with whitstans / SS and get max block... the question is if this deals enough lightning damage to actually kill. My lightning mastery will be around 30-31, I calculated this would give a max lightning damage of 16k, versus around 45k using 2x dream. Maybe boost this by a lot of lightning GCs ? I'll be using cta and also a +3 ES +2 fire mastery memory on switch, need to find one with +3 ES and +3 enchant (and +3 fire mastery would be even better :cool: ).


Now, which one of these to pick ? :undecided: I don't know, but I'm still trying to gather the resources to trade for all of this stuff anyway (haven't even made a single dream yet, also need CoH, cta, better sorc torch...). After that I will test some of these ideas, see how they work out, some of these builds will probably be very duel specific.

So in response to your question: I really don't know... I guess with a crazy Energy shield and warmth you should be able to do hit and run tactics (because your manapool, effectively your health, will regenerate very fast), maybe you won't need block. On top of that, melee chars often have bad resists anyway, you might kill them in 1-2 zeal hits. Now, I'm not sure if you're concerned with bad manners in duels (I am, I hate being an *** in duels), but too much hit and run might piss off your opponents a lot, especially because a dual dream setup with a high lightning mastery will give a pretty nasty holy shock aura which pulse I think would really hurt against low lightning res characters.

Hmm, there's another lame idea: make a dual dream - dragon - hand of justice sorc with high FCR, max fire + lightning mastery along with an infinity toting merc, and teleport around in pubby duel games watching everyone die... oh and while you're at it, also max thunder storm :grin:

[Gimmershred]

Hi Dennis, my guess is you are Dutch too, so you can always whisper me on bnet on account *xeno110 if you have questions or whatever :wink3:

My sorc is around lvl 75 now. She will be finished around lvl 93 and gets her endgame equip @ lvl 81


1) Bear Enchantress, beast caddy (not sure how the attack speed is with using this weapon), angelic jewelry (or 1x raven, 1 angelic), 2x dream, aldur's boots, dungos, frostburn, CoH...
This is not good. All your damage is elemental so you need a fast weapon, Beast is slow in bearform. The only good thing is the added attack rating but that't not worth it


2) Bear Enchantress, 6os pb with 3xshael 3xeth (4xshael 2xeth/2xshael 4xeth??? I'm not too sure how -% def works in pvp), ravens, mara's/metalgrid, 2x dream, aldur's boots, dungos, frostburn, CoH...
This looks better. Eth's in pvp work half, so 1 eth will lower def 12.5%, 2 25%. I don't know if there is a cap on this. I also don't know whats the last break for a bearsorc. Some people say 95%ias on a phaseblade, others say you need 6 shael. I know 1 of these numbers came from the dragoon calc wich had more mistakes in it, so that could be the incorrect one. Remember that changing into a bear boosts your life very good. Also the higher you can get the lycanthropy level up the more life you get. Try to put on as much +skillequip before you turn bear. It's also nice to prebuuff enchant and bo at that time too.
I was thinking myself of this option with going full vita and using the damage to mana guide in combination with low lvl es that is stickied in the sorceress guides thread.


3) Zeal Enchantress, passion, CoH, crafted gloves w IAS, highlords, 2x ravens, hsaru belt/boots, 2x dream. (with battlecommand from cta = lvl 5 zeal).
This is fun, you can tele around and can switch to a widowmaker bow with +-10k damage vs casters. You will die quick though and your speed will be at 10/7 maximum. I made 2 dreamsorc at ladder 2 with this equip and i can't recommend energyshield cause your manapool will be low. Better put those 20 points for telekineses in something else then. (maybe hydra with 1 synergy is nice). With your setup you will have a shortage of 5%ias and you will do 9/8 zeal instead of 10/7 zeal.


4) Either one of above but switch out dream shield with whitstans / SS and get max block... the question is if this deals enough lightning damage to actually kill. My lightning mastery will be around 30-31, I calculated this would give a max lightning damage of 16k, versus around 45k using 2x dream. Maybe boost this by a lot of lightning GCs ? I'll be using cta and also a +3 ES +2 fire mastery memory on switch, need to find one with +3 ES and +3 enchant (and +3 fire mastery would be even better :cool: ).

i went also with maxblock with whitstans. Because i also use widowmaker wich requires 146 dex it's not hard and not much sacrafice to get max block with an whitstans (eld). None of your options seem very suitable for a decent energyshield. That's why i made this weird setup i am using.

Now, which one of these to pick ? :undecided: I don't know, but I'm still trying to gather the resources to trade for all of this stuff anyway (haven't even made a single dream yet, also need CoH, cta, better sorc torch...). After that I will test some of these ideas, see how they work out, some of these builds will probably be very duel specific.

Well you gotta make up your own mind. A bear plays very different then a sorc, also you must get quite some frw to catch anyone in duels.Your pulse will only do damage to some of the lesser players out there, don't really count on it as a killing machine. On the other hand a bear has more life and hits much and much faster. But zeal on the other hand is uninteruptable wich is also nice. I think you could say bear would be better in meleeduels and zeal/bow better vs casters.



Hmm, there's another lame idea: make a dual dream - dragon - hand of justice sorc with high FCR, max fire + lightning mastery along with an infinity toting merc, and teleport around in pubby duel games watching everyone die... oh and while you're at it, also max thunder storm :grin:

It's possible but you would be highly dependant on your merc and mercs die fast in pvp as everyone knows. Doesn't seem like much fun to play with though. Be aware that dragon+hoj doesnt really add a lot of damage and that fire mastery as already less effective then lightning mastery but also that you will be using lightskillers and so your fire mastery will remain at a low lvl.

[DennisBergkamp]

Ahhh, yes I'm Dutch as well :cool: ... Hehe, what gave it away, the name?
However, I assume you play on Europe, I play on USEast because I live in the US. If you play on East as well, I'll gladly help you test this thing :grin:


This is not good. All your damage is elemental so you need a fast weapon, Beast is slow in bearform. The only good thing is the added attack rating but that't not worth it


Hmmm, you'd be surprised... Beast in a Caddy is fast even in wereform. Although I'm not sure if it's different with a sorc in wereform, but my zon hits extremely quick with it. I guess I'll just have to test this out, compare it with a shaeled pb instead.. maybe I'm wrong about this I've never seen a bear use a 6xshaeled pb :grin:


This looks better. Eth's in pvp work half, so 1 eth will lower def 12.5%, 2 25%. I don't know if there is a cap on this. I also don't know whats the last break for a bearsorc. Some people say 95%ias on a phaseblade, others say you need 6 shael. I know 1 of these numbers came from the dragoon calc wich had more mistakes in it, so that could be the incorrect one. Remember that changing into a bear boosts your life very good. Also the higher you can get the lycanthropy level up the more life you get. Try to put on as much +skillequip before you turn bear. It's also nice to prebuuff enchant and bo at that time too.
I was thinking myself of this option with going full vita and using the damage to mana guide in combination with low lvl es that is stickied in the sorceress guides thread.


Alright, so I should probably just get a whole bunch of shaels/eths/hels and try different permutations of shael/eth pbs. 3x eth would work well I think, since it would cut defense by 37.5%, and still give me 60% IAS, which sounds decent. About prebuffing, hmm I don't know I'm usually a bit too impatient to switch around my entire inventory/gear with charms, especially in pubby duels. One or two switches is fine though.

Ha, yeah now I see why you decided on the "weird" setup with the chammed / 3x 15% allres 15% IAS armor. I have nowhere near that kind of wealth to build such a monstrosity though, so I'm going to have to stick with CoH I think.

What I'm wondering about the most is whether 1xdream helmet will be enough to kill those barbs efficiently in PvP. Enchant will add a bunch of damage too, which makes it a lot more consistent, have you tried this in PvP using whitstan's ?

[HerrOber]

u wont kill any decent barb with a meelesorc.

[Gimmershred]

u wont kill any decent barb with a meelesorc.

Wow , really constructive criticism, thank you.

Well, my char is about finished, she's lvl 91 now and i used the setup i said i would use. For pvm she is freakin' awesome. The only monsters that actually can kill me quick are some manaburn strong meleemonsters like lister and his buddies. She is a pretty good booster even through hell. Baal goes down in a few seconds. I really learned to appreciate the chance to cast confusion from the dreams, it saved my *** pretty many times.

PvP is nice, although i find myself switching to angelics pretty often with all those crap exile smiters around. I must say the damage is quite easily absorbed, but people with just plain 75% res have a chance of getting ko'd by me in a single hit. My damage is 3-59k zeal. Vs trapassas and some non-es soso's i use my widowmaker. I also took some faith zons down with my widowmaker. With "hit and run" tactics i even manage to occasionally kill some dualwielding barbs. Also i get lucky on those grotesque def smiters so now and then, although it's pretty hard vs. blocking chars. She really plays a bit like a weak cs zon except for the tele and the fact that my attack can miss and can blocked.
The real beauty lies in duels vs other casters and trying to tele behind them and then shift zeal em.
Enough said, it's 1 of the most challenging chars i played in a long time and i am glad i rebuild her this ladder since this 1 works better in my opinion then the bodomsorc build i tried in ladder2.

[Summerfun]

I have allmost exactly the same build on non ladder.

Lvl 95 sorceress called: DreamSorceress.
She is using jewlers archonplate of the whale 60/60+97 life (used it before on my javazone)

i tryed to duel a bit with her, but i couldent get it to work...
Hopes it turns out a bit better for you :thumbsup:
looking forward to hear how she did.
Might just remake my own again.

Best regards
Summerfun

[HorseGuts]

what about making a caster sorc with dreams???

how about a pure light sorc, but use dream shield/helm? Your aura pulses
will do LOADS of damage b/c of all the plus skills u will get being a caster...

9 light gcs/hellfire/anni
vipermagi +1 skill
eschutas +3 skills
SPider +1 skill
2 sojs +2 skills
magefists
treks
+3 lightskills amulet.
cta +1 skills

12 all skills, 12 lightning skills...

you'll have lvl 44 lightning mastery 566% to lightning damage...

this will make aura pulses EXTREMELY strong. you will kill zons, trappers, and bone necs very easy but just teleing by them.

you will have 120fcr if u take out 1 soj for a fcr ring.

lightning will do 38-40791 damamge...i think i'm gonna try this myself haha :)

along with my singer barb...

i'm just throwin this out there for u guys. wutcha think about this also instead of goin the melee route? maybe somethin for u to glance at Gimmershred.

[WhiteAlien]

I tryed it on my ES/light sorc. Works realy nice - against newbies only.

I wear CoH and Frosties, so my FCR was realy low, but if U can make it work @120%fcr maybee this sorc could be viable.

The most fun was against windies, as their minions dies instantly from pulse as well as his cyclone armor gets down in 3 hits.

[DennisBergkamp]

Awesome! Glad to hear you're making progress in PvP, Gimmer :thumbsup:

My melee sorc is currently level 88, in PvM she destroys just about anything without breaking a sweat, just like yours.

PvP is a different matter... even with ES/high telekinesis she is extremely weak, I haven't given her very many charms yet though, maybe if I can get my hands on some +20 lifers +17 mana scs that'll make her a bit tougher. I'm not really sure on what to use for equipment either... right now I use IK gloves + IK Belt + IK Boots (sometimes I switch to dungoes instead of IK belt) for the 25% IAS on the gloves to reach the 10/7 zeal since I don't have the wealth to make a crazy armor such as yours :grin: Also using 2x ravens + highlord's, which makes my AR rather lowish. I did kill a couple of pubby barbs in 1-2 hits though, which was really funny. I haven't gathered enough stuff to trade for a second beast (my fuzzyzon is still using the first one, I still duel with her a lot), but once I will I think I'll try the bear route instead. Angelic ring + ammy + raven + frostburn + dungoes/res boots or hsaru belt/boot looks like a much better setup. I did try using a 6xshaeled phase blade (maybe change it to a 4x shaeled 2x 15% IAS +AR jewels) in bear form, and the result is amazing: really really fast attack speed. Now of course, bear loses a lot of mobility, and it's fun chasing casters/zons around with teleport. I'm kind of sceptic about the cast rate though, is 0% (or 20% if you're using magefist) high enough to catch people?

Anyway, I've kind of changed this melee sorc to a longer term goal, because it requires so much insane gear to execute well.

Gimmer, I'm also wondering on your current setup, are you using 2x dream now, or still elded Whitstan's for max block? Max block will make a big difference when dueling melee chars, but tremendously lower lightning damage... Anyway, no other way to find out but try, I might give Bear sorc a shot with SS + max block and single dream helm.

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Chops_Suey is lvl 92 now and only a few millions to go before i hit lvl 93.
I haven't maxed warmth and fire mastery yet because i came to the conclusion that a fastcast of energyshield after manaburn in pvm is very very necessary on this build. So obviously i put 1 point in energyshield.

I went with my original setup and it is paying off, though i ditched the frostburns and switched them for magefists for the faster cast wich i didn't have any of it. 20% fcr is enough and i do the teleing with my lidless / cta switch. Sometimes i use wizspike.

I can tank quite some hits and in many occasions i sweeped out the entrine throne in a 8 playergame before i put up a safe tp for the other players. I have to say the merc i use is extremely helpfull in this. Playing in 1 playergames is a breeze , i can run any area fast and my fire damage combined with the infinity merc kills lightning immunes easily. Diablo, baal, mephi etc. go down unbelievably fast.

My stats with all my gear on are the following:
Str: 77
Dex: 161
Vita: 122
Energy: 336

Life and mana after bo are: +-1600 life, +-2100mana
My zeal attack rating with lvl 28 enchant is +- 11.000
My damage is 3-59k

If i put on angelics my ar becomes around 20.000 but my mana drops to 1600
and my damage drops to 3-54k. Also i don't got maxed resistances anymore then.

For pvp this char is pure roflmao. I am getting better and better in hit and run tactics and i really starting to compete with other chars now.

This is 1 of those chars that keeps you playing it for a long long time.