A subgroup in the trading forum? [Archive] - Diablo 3 & Diablo 2 Forums

Dacar92

25-01-2006, 04:20

Suggestions noted. Do you guys think it would be used? I am not sure it can or will be done. But this forum has certainly been a success.

We originally wanted to have everyone post in the trade forums because that's what they're there. Then link to that thread in our trade thread here. Do you have any suggestions to make that system better? Does that systemn work at all now? Has anyone made a successful trade with that system? What are the problems with it?

Please help me help you. If I go to the Admins with this suggestion, I must have solid ground on which to work. I have to go with solid reasons why you want this done.

No promises, but give me ammunition and I will see what the Admins think.

Zodijackyl

25-01-2006, 04:31

The threads in the trade forums are usually flooded by xpac kids telling us our items suck, people who don't know what classic is...
Plus, the need to post a link and go to a new forum makes it very inconvenient.
Many players here have nowhere to go to trade, especially HC players. Classic is a smaller community, and by making a trade area more accessible they would be much more inclined to use it.
As an incentive, I'm clearing off 40+ mule accounts on non ladder and trading good amount from about 10 accounts on ladder. There's sure to be plenty of nice items traded very cheap off here. I have over 4 accounts full of 30/20 pris shields, many with FHR or stacked res. I'll make a list of a bunch of items, post one each for L and NL, then let the forum members get some nice cheap stuff.
On a side note, I'm willing to help (informally) moderate the forum to detect dupes, and I'm confident that I know nearly every dupe on USEast, as well as a good number of them on USWest, Europe, and even a few on Asia1. I wouldn't need any official power, I would just inform Dacar and any other moderators of people trading dupes. I would also suggest that there be a warning at the top: Anyone trying to get Grim Spurs, Soul Shanks, Soul Spurs, Bone Masters, Bitter Masters, or other obviously common dupes that are massively brought to xpac will be banned immediately. I have dupes on NL, I don't use them, and I don't really play NL anymore, but I respect the forum rules. I treasure my awesome legits on NL, and I don't use generic common dupes.
This is a truly unique community of gamers who are shrinking in number, who wish to play a game without generic overpowered "god" items. Plus, I see this as another place for NL players to trade legits, unlike most where they're *****ed at for not offering POS common dupes. Legits need some respect, and this would be another place for legit gamers to enjoy.

fledgeling

25-01-2006, 04:39

what's wrong in trading dupes?

banning people for trading them, when classic is dying is not a smart idea

Zodijackyl

25-01-2006, 04:40

Forum liability issues...
Plus with all the common dupes that everybody uses, NL is cheesy now. People think poor barb is SSer, rich barb is Imp Blow and Plague Star... Nobody has respect for godly legits. My legit geared fballer 271-1 legit 1v1 :)

Tetsume

25-01-2006, 04:46

This is what in my opinion would be ideal. Anyone who wishes to have a shop should apply with a forum post. These shops will be comprised of what they currently have for trade, along with a list of things they are currently looking for. Instead of having these shops be spammed with long lines of offers, they should be stickied and locked, all offers for trades done through private messaging. If a shop is not updated within a set amount of time, it will be deleted to avoid countless idle shops.

Zodijackyl

25-01-2006, 05:19

Shops would be a bit too dividing for players, where there would only be a possibility for a certain number, and people would seek after them aggresively. I think a normal trade forum as a subforum of this one would be fine. We can sticky the price check thread, and I'll work on a price guide and a rare guide, if its possible on classic.
That's all my input for now, I need to sleep.

Tetsume

25-01-2006, 10:27

come on ppl, add yur suggestions so we can get our own trading forum

Kiwi Legend

25-01-2006, 11:47

Im very interested in a new trading system
I dont like the shop idea, Im not a guy that does a full iventory of items.

The current system of linking to the regular trade forum is a bit of a pain.

I think the easiest way would be like my post yesterday "buy shard USEAST" There isnt that much trading going on so what is wrong with the odd thread in classic discussing a trade?

It stimulated conversation about hc and the channels to go to for advice, Why not allow "All things classic" just the like the title of this section.

Beltyn

25-01-2006, 12:39

I think it would be ok to start, but it would provide us a good way of dragging in more classic players.

Even if they only come initially to post on trading bit, i'm sure they'll start posting on this board as well so could strengthen it.

Plus as mentioned, it means we can avoid misplaced or idiotic post on our threads from LoD players.

LukeJames

25-01-2006, 14:38

Yes, we will need a moderator specifically for monitoring that forum so the Expac idiots don't flood us to death.

fredsta54

25-01-2006, 19:28

i am strongly for this idea. And i have strong argument. If you post a classic thread in the trade forum, it will get bumped down by all the constant xpac theads, and members looking to trade classic items will most likely not see the thread.

Fred

Nirlem

25-01-2006, 19:38

another problem with the current trade system, is that if someone actually found your thread and wants to trade. then of course he is a lod player that didnt understand what the classic in thread name meant....

i would love a seperate trade forum for classic, or if worst comes to worst just a sticky thread in the forum where we can make the trades.

current system is to much of a hazzle. and gets flooded with non trade posts.

Dacar92

25-01-2006, 20:41

I think it would be ok to start, but it would provide us a good way of dragging in more classic players.

This is the key right here. The more members we can drag in, the more ads get clicked, and that is what is noticed.

I don't think the shop idea is viable. I think we should start small. Perhaps a specific trade thread here is the way to begin, seperate from the LOD trade forums.

I can talk to the Admins and see if a forum is out of the question. If there is a Classic Trade forum on this page: http://forums.diabloii.net/index.php like the (sort of) new single player trade forum, it will lead to more visibility and hopefully more members.

Zoola McCoola

25-01-2006, 21:34

This is the key right here. The more members we can drag in, the more ads get clicked, and that is what is noticed.

I don't think the shop idea is viable. I think we should start small. Perhaps a specific trade thread here is the way to begin, seperate from the LOD trade forums.

I can talk to the Admins and see if a forum is out of the question. If there is a Classic Trade forum on this page: http://forums.diabloii.net/index.php like the (sort of) new single player trade forum, it will lead to more visibility and hopefully more members.

Like you said, more visibility is key. If anyone posts classic things in the USEAST trade forum, its just gonna get swamped by the enormous amount of xpac threads, and will probably drop of the first page in a matter of hours(I dont assume to know how fast the forum moves).

Zodijackyl

25-01-2006, 23:50

This is the key right here. The more members we can drag in, the more ads get clicked, and that is what is noticed.

With the complete lack of any decent classic trading forum for USEast on the whole entire internet, this should bring in some good people. It should also help some newer classic players.
I would like to volunteer my services and expertise to moderate this forum in any way needed, formal or informal (I could just contact moderators via AIM or MSN to help make reports fast)

Tetsume

28-01-2006, 03:21

sorry to keep pestering, but any updates on this? id really like to see it happen

Dacar92

28-01-2006, 06:06

sorry to keep pestering, but any updates on this? id really like to see it happen

Go ahead and keep pestering. The longer this thread stays around on page one, the more it means to you guys. I can't make any promises so don't get your hopes up. The best we may be able to do is allow trade posts in this forum rather than having to link from the others. I'll keep you posted when I hear anything. :listen:

Dacar92

29-01-2006, 06:30

Zoola McCoola

29-01-2006, 07:21

Can you guys tell me why RPGTraders Classic won't work? If you want shops, there you go. It is already set up for shops. If it is a trade forum you want, please tell me why RPGTraders Classic won't work and why a forum would be better.

Please let me know all the reasons why a forum would be better, or not. Then I can go to work for you.

Thanks

I just checked out the RPGTraders site, and I browsed the classic items for trade. Guess what I found? Two shops, one for a torch and hoto, and the for charms! Maybe thats why the RPGTraders won't work.

Also, having a forum ON THIS SITE would be much much much more convenient, as not having to go to another site. The absolute ideal, in my mind, would be to have the classic item trade forum INSIDE the Classic Forum, but that could tear apart the whole fabric of the DII.net universe, as a trade forum wouldn't be in the trade forum section of the site.

The purpose of putting in the Classic Forum would be to keep the Special-Ed LOD kids out of the thread as much as possible, but look how many posts we get about LOD as it is. Makes you wonder doesn't it?

WhiteLightning

29-01-2006, 08:04

Can you guys tell me why RPGTraders Classic won't work? If you want shops, there you go. It is already set up for shops. If it is a trade forum you want, please tell me why RPGTraders Classic won't work and why a forum would be better.

Please let me know all the reasons why a forum would be better, or not. Then I can go to work for you.

Thanks

Yeah, I also checked out that site. I searched for all items ladder or non-ladder on Classic USeast. I found two that maybe were actually classic, and tons that definately were not classic. Of the two possible classic things i found one had chancies and magefist, but was looking for pgems, so could be classic, who knows. The other guy had sets, and not good sets either, I'm talking civerbs and stuff.

It definately doesn't look like many classic players frequent that place. Any actual classic item trades would likely be lost among the many LOD items, the same that would happen in the current trade forums on this site.

The thing that would probably work best would be to have a subforum here in the classic forum, in an attempt to keep as many LOD brain surgeons out as possible. But then again, this may screw the space-time conitinuum and lead to wormholes and the like as Zoola said.

Zoola McCoola

30-01-2006, 21:14

Dacar, any progress being made on the Moderator front?

Dacar92

31-01-2006, 02:45

Dacar, any progress being made on the Moderator front?

I am waiting for convincing arguments why the shops on RGGTraders won't work. I really need the help of the folks who post here why you want a seperate forum for Classic trades. Here is what I have so far:

1. because the current system is cumbersome
2. the current trade forums are full of LOD posts and trades (as they should be) but Classic trade threads are quickly buried and lost. And no bumping is allowed.
3. Classic trade threads that are replied to, sometimes have LOD items offered, or they don't understand that it is a Classic trade thread and they pull out of their offer.
4. ???
5. ???

I need help guys. If you want to make Classic trades, I need to know why the current system doesn't work, and why RPGTraders won't work.

Thanks

WhiteLightning

31-01-2006, 05:08

I am waiting for convincing arguments why the shops on RGGTraders won't work.

There seems to be quite a few LOD players that dont understand what "classic" means, both here and on RPGTraders. I checked out the "classic" items for trade on USEast softcore, and almost all the posts were regarding LOD items. There were only two threads that may have been dealing with classic items.

The first one had some stuff that no one on classic would ever trade for, ok, maybe that isn't true, but no one on this forum would trade for them. This entire list:

Arcanna's Skull Cap
Vidala's Long battle Bow
Cathans Amulet, and 2x Ring
Civerb's Grand Scepter, and Amulet
Death's Sword

The only other potentially classic thread was offering topaz. And was looking for sorc gear and/or a rush. I don't think anyone in classic would actually trade for topaz, or rush someone for a topaz. This person is probably in classic and looking to trade gems to craft with, I can't think of any other reason someone would think that topaz are worth anything.

So all the reasons why classic trade threads won't work here also apply to RPGTraders; there is no way to keep those confused little LOD kids out.

Dacar92

31-01-2006, 18:09

...EDITED...

Are yyou saying that stuff you find on RPGTraders for Classic, also contains stuff from LOD?

fredsta54

31-01-2006, 19:04

Dacar, Long story short, get on your hands and knees and beg for a subforum :D

There is NO good classic trading forum online, and it would do wonders to diabloii.net's reputation, and probably financial support(from classic PAL's) if a subforum was created

Fred

WhiteLightning

31-01-2006, 19:08

Are yyou saying that stuff you find on RPGTraders for Classic, also contains stuff from LOD?

This is exactly what I am saying.

In fact, most of the stuff on the "classic" section is exclusively LOD items (exceptional/elite uniques, charms, etc.)

Beltyn

01-02-2006, 00:27

A flip argument, think of people like me.

I don't have godly stuff, but i have quite a lot of mid range stuff i might want to swap as i continue experiemnting with characters.

With all the general comments from people who HAVE tried the existing, I can't say I'd even consider spending the time looking at the existing ofrums.

Something specifically for us, either seperate too or in addition to this forum would likely get me interested in using the forums.

Tetsume

01-02-2006, 22:36

what i'm not understanding here is why it is so hard to just copy and paste the code again and make another trading forum for us classic users...it doesnt seem like that tough a job

Dacar92

01-02-2006, 23:05

what i'm not understanding here is why it is so hard to just copy and paste the code again and make another trading forum for us classic users...it doesnt seem like that tough a job

Watch it. It is not about copying and pasting. Continue posting like that and the Admins will say no.

I still have yet to hear why RPGTraders won't work. I understand that someone is asking to trade a Topaz. Why? I am not sure. But the shops are already there. It is part of our network already.

Why won't it work? Why is a forum here better?

WhiteLightning

02-02-2006, 00:27

I still have yet to hear why RPGTraders won't work. I understand that someone is asking to trade a Topaz. Why? I am not sure. But the shops are already there. It is part of our network already.

Why won't it work? Why is a forum here better?

Well with this line of thinking why are there any trade forums here at all? Why not have everything at RPGTraders?

Because its much more convenient to have trading and the forums at the same place.

Watch it. It is not about copying and pasting. Continue posting like that and the Admins will say no.

I am sure that Tetsume was not being disrespectful by what he said, but rather is just wondering why isn't it as easily implemented as it seems it should be?

I would like to know, however, why does it an act of God to create a Classic Trade forum?

Take the Hardcore Forum for instance. Anyone that plays USEast LOD Hardcore Ladder (or non-ladder for that matter) can already post in the USEast trade forum - so why do they have a separate forum? I don't see a difference between the Hardcore Forum and the proposed Classic Forum.

Dacar, could you atleast tell us why this isn't something that can be implemented overnight? It seems to me, and I'm sure everyone else, that this isn't a big deal and should be able to be done in a heartbeat.

Zodijackyl

02-02-2006, 03:08

I've tried RPGtraders, but the need to use multiple websites is cumbersome. I've tried RPGtraders, but it is extremely slow, and of course, plenty of people post LoD items on classic. RPGtraders lacks an active admin to watch classic trades, and this classic forum has an active moderator who genuinely cares about the forum. Until it was mentioned here and WL posted there, there were no real classic trades, yet this forum is filled with requests for a trade forum. RPGtraders is also quite slow, and for a smaller community such as classic, having ten people out of our forum community not use a site would be a huge loss.
A classic trade forum as a subforum of this forum would be a great gift to classic players, and it would make diabloii.net more popular. Why promote these forums over RPGtraders? The forum is more accessable and already more popular...
And there's an easy donation system on these forums, but not on RPGtraders.

Zoola McCoola

02-02-2006, 03:52

Well with this line of thinking why are there any trade forums here at all? Why not have everything at RPGTraders?

:thumbsup: x12092834037540789230934854390

Honestly now, why promote RPGtraders so much? Ok, you are affiliated in some way, shape or form, but it is SO much more convenient to have our OWN trade forum here on dii.net.

I know that this site is old as dirt, and it may not be worth the trouble to change much now, but it is still quite active, and an addition like this proposal could make it more so, which was the main point to begin with, wasn't it?

I also want to know what is taking so long, I mean, have you even talked to the site owner Dacar? Have you even looked at the RPGTraders site? It is utter trash as Zodi basically said.

Ok, maybe I crossed a line or two, but the fact remains that we don't have a classic trade forum. I think, and I may be completely idealistic and retarded on this, that the fact alone that just about everyone in here, and possibly more that we bring in, want a classic trade forum should be reason enough to implement one. Just my half a cent.

Dacar92

02-02-2006, 05:00

I am talking to them now. I can't say yet what we are talking about, so, please don't get angry or say things that may cause trouble. Keep the arguments coming. I am not ignoring you. Thanks for the kind words, Zodi.

I think that, for now, I will change the rules for Classic trades here. I will post a new trade thread tonight or tomorrow. Keep this place active! :thumbsup:

superdave

02-02-2006, 06:01

Why won't it work? Why is a forum here better?

a forum offers a greater sense of community...follow the trading forums for a few days and you know everyone....it doesn't take too long to recognize the good traders with a forum...when we had the large influx of new members after the last patch, it was only a matter of days before i could pick out 1/2 dozen good new traders.

rpgtraders seems to be a one on one trading community....i think the most replies that i have ever seen for a trade was 8....that's on the itamz that are up for auction of course....shop items are always one on one.

any problem trades are more quickly brought to a mods attention in a forum....i would think that people using a forum would look at more threads(i usually read them all) and would be more likely to catch and report than would a typical trader using rpgtraders....people using rpgtraders(especially classic traders) are more likely to use the search function to find one or two specific items.

a forum would be more dynamic, easier to adjust to any rule changes or clarification....it's simple...throw up a sticky. prices, especially after a ladder reset are very volitile....it is so much easier to determine where the market is heading by simply scrolling through a few forum pages.

i think all you have to do to determine which method most people would prefer to use is just to look at the numbers....how many people are using the europe/west/east/hardcore forums here now? compare that to the number of people using rpgtraders....don't get me wrong...i like that system, some people prefer it but given the choice, i will use the forum.

SirDooFuss

18-02-2006, 00:42

Greetings!

I am SirDooFuss and I am the moderator over at the RPGTraders/Diablo site.

Dacar92 recently informed me of the problems related to classic trades and shops and I've cleaned them up. Unfortunately, there's not much left. :undecided:

I understand your preference to set up a separate trading forum here and I'm on your side. I think the idea of both a separate forum and the use of RPGTraders is great. The thing is, RPGTraders is already set up. Anybody can set up an account and offer items for any realm, even Open. I'm the first to admit that the vast majority of the traffic there is for USEAST LOD Ladder, but that hasn't always been the case, and doesn't have to stay that way. Additionally, you can link to your RPGTraders profile from your forums icon (see my link on the left). Your profile will list all RPGTraders trades, in addition your RPGTraders shop, or any other info you want to list.

A big advantage at RPGTraders is the feedback/rating system. Anybody can immediately check the trading history of anybody offering or bidding on an item. Of course, this is no advantage if nobody is looking at your trades or shops.

I take a very active role in moding the RPGTraders site, and respond quickly to any and all problems. Anybody with a problem, issue or comment can hit the "alert admin" button on any trade, post a comment in my shop, or email me using the address listed in my profile.

Again, I understand your desire for a sub-forum, but RPGTRaders is here for you now if you'd like to give us a try.