LLD lvl 9 char suggestions/help

[SpacedOut]

I basically just MF while on D2, but I'm getting rather bored doing it so that got me thinking of making a lvl 9 LLD character to raid norm games to PK just for kicks :) and duel as well. I am not sure what character or gear to look for, I've only ever used Paladins and Sorces and they've all been either hammerdins or Blizz sorc ;\ So I'd like to get some suggestions on what type of char is best at killing at such a low level and gear to look for to maximize effectiveness of the char I plan on making. I don't plan on ever going past level 9 on this char, so things like blinkbat, cthon boots and angelics are out.

Current items I have are,

Greyform leather armor
Bloodfist gloves
death gloves+sash
hsarus boots
hands of broc gloves (dual leech)
rare war hammer: lvl 5 req (req str 53) 22-37 dmg, 16% ED, +4 max dmg, 17AR, 1-8 lightning dmg, 1-2 cold dmg

is that war hamer any good to use or is something like Cleglaw's better? Any advice sure is appreciated!~ :thumbsup:

[SpacedOut]

well I spent about close to an hour making a lvl 9 sacrificer based upon my war hammer. I dueled some lvl 18/19 barbs and killed them, but they weren't obviously using the best gear. I made my char like this...

helm: 10fhr, 7res (haven't gambled anything good so far/not sure on good helm)
ammy: Civerbs - rep life+4 (not sure on ammy yet)
weapon: (lvl 5 req) 22-37dmg warhammer - 16%ED, 17ar, +4max, 1-8 lightning, 1-2 cold dmg, 50%undead dmg
shield: Pelta Lunata - 40/20 +2str +10vit +10energy
armor: greyform - 5%LL +10dex 20FR 20CR
boots: hsarus' boots - 20FRW 25FR
belt: death sash - cant be frozen / +15all res
gloves: death gloves - 30IAS / 8%LL
rings: 2x nagel rings (73/72AR)

53 strength
20 dexterity
42 vitality
15 energy

Sacrifice lvl 9 (extra skill pts from Radament/Izzy quests *only on norm are they done*)
Might lvl 3

dmg: 116-202
AR: 522
Def: 118
Life: 152 (haven't done act 3 quest for 20life yet)
mana: 42

FR: 60
CR: 35
LR: 22
PR: 65

This seem any decent for the stuff I have? Is resistance all that important for dueling such low level chars? I've been thinking about using cleglaw's and the umbral disk shield which would improve my AR. Haven't gotten those specific items yet though.

[LukeJames]

Here's my suggestion;
Full Cleglaws
Hsaurus Boots + Belt
Darkglow
2x Rare rings (75+ Attack rating, Cold/Fire resist)
~ Not sure about ammy ~
Biggins Bonnet

Edit: Don't use sacrafice, it's a terrible attack in PvP. I would suggest making a level 9 basher barbarian with the mastery of your weapon and 1-2 points in bash.

[zrk]

If you wanna make a dueling char that really owns people 15-20 levels higher than you, a lvl 12 pike charger is the way to go in classic. A full cleglaws zealer can do well too, but the carnage isnt as immensse as it is on a charger.
As for lvl 9 sacrificers, cleglaws set really is excellent.

[godofgods]

i find my lvl 9 ama gud enuff,
her merc uses 3 sock superior hunters bow with 3 jewels 20 poison damage each, 2 sock helm with 2 jewels 20 poison damage each and 3 sock armor again with 3 jewels 20 poison damage each.
She uses rare javelin with 8-12 fire damage and 53%ed and mana leech 2%
biggons bonnet socked with flawed ruby, 2*nagel, pelta shield (socked with 9 max jewel), hotspurs and bloodfist, and arctic belt, rare amulet 10 life and cold res 9%,fire res 15%, light res 8%.
she uses jab

[fredsta54]

i find my lvl 9 ama gud enuff,
her merc uses 3 sock superior hunters bow with 3 jewels 20 poison damage each, 2 sock helm with 2 jewels 20 poison damage each and 3 sock armor again with 3 jewels 20 poison damage each.
She uses rare javelin with 8-12 fire damage and 53%ed and mana leech 2%
biggons bonnet socked with flawed ruby, 2*nagel, pelta shield (socked with 9 max jewel), hotspurs and bloodfist, and arctic belt, rare amulet 10 life and cold res 9%,fire res 15%, light res 8%.
she uses jab

go back to xpac.

Back on topic,

Lvl 9 llds are not that great, lvl 12 is when the fun starts.

But, if you must make a lvl 9, i suggest you go with a cleg sacrificer

3X flawed ruby mask
Clegs sword//shield
Deaths combo
r/w boots
greyform
High ar nagels, or if you can find a better rare counterpart
rare ammy of some sort...

1 might
rest sacrifice










Fred

[LukeJames]

Yeah, I've never made level 9 duelers.
I have made at least 20 level 12'ers.
Once you can use angelic rings + ammy combo, a whole world of options opens.
Not to mention by level 12 you can use Normal Gems instead of Flawed.

[fredsta54]

I strongly suggest you forget about this whole lvl 9 thing, and just make a lvl 12 dueler.

lvl 9 dueler= pretty good vs chars >lvl 20
lvl 12 dueler= can take down most lvl 30's with ease, and some high lvls


Make a lvl 12 full clegs charger...

full clegs
angelic combo
deaths sash
any boots
greyform (i <3 this armour)
3 ruby mask or biggins

1 charge
rest might

The good thing about this build is that it hits hard, has cb to actually hurt vs high lvls, almost garuanteed to hit if they dont block, and if charge misses your lvl 1 smite will actually hurt (due to crushing blow)

Also, with clegs range 1 charge will hit much more rapidly than a pike (although the pike will hit runners better)











Fred

[LukeJames]

I love using angelic armor, although fire resistance is not that important in LLD, the +1 skills amplifies your damage greatly and the mana really helps for continual charging. Alot of chargers forget how painful mana can be if you have no items to boost it, biggons does the same job.

[SpacedOut]

Thanks for the help :) But since lvl 9 is really limited so I've decided to go with a lvl 12 charger. I did a quick search on here and found the LLD Fun guide.

"1 smite, rest might *Charge Synergie*, then dump into charge, even if you are going to use a res aura make SURE to dump lots into might because it helps the damage of charge greatly / Charger = Good Damage Pike, Full cleglaws or a hammer + shield combo"

So the weapon thing is just a preference I assume... and about the armor, is greyform the most preferred because of the Dual res/dex/life leech or could a blinkbat be used instead because of the 40FHR and extra 10FRW? I think i've read somewhere that fhr is useless in PvP.

[LukeJames]

For a level 12 charger, in my opinion, go with angelic mantle.
Think about it, it's the difference of level 1 charge + 13 might and level 2 charge + 14 might. Useful, and the 200+ def / 50 mana is a nice feature.

[fredsta54]

Thanks for the help :) But since lvl 9 is really limited so I've decided to go with a lvl 12 charger. I did a quick search on here and found the LLD Fun guide.

"1 smite, rest might *Charge Synergie*, then dump into charge, even if you are going to use a res aura make SURE to dump lots into might because it helps the damage of charge greatly / Charger = Good Damage Pike, Full cleglaws or a hammer + shield combo"

So the weapon thing is just a preference I assume... and about the armor, is greyform the most preferred because of the Dual res/dex/life leech or could a blinkbat be used instead because of the 40FHR and extra 10FRW? I think i've read somewhere that fhr is useless in PvP.

blinkbats req is lvl 14 iirc.

The r/w wont help on a lld charger








Fred

[LukeJames]

Blinkbats is level 12.

[SpacedOut]

didn't know the angelic armor gave +1 skill bonues, but anyways I'll try it out tonight and have some fun :) ty~

[Zodijackyl]

If you really want to kill chars higher than you, you'll need crushing blow. Otherwise you're greatly limited.

[fredsta54]

If you really want to kill chars higher than you, you'll need crushing blow. Otherwise you're greatly limited.

which full clegs provides ^^

Also, looking back on it, i do see angelic armour paried with the ammy and 2X rings more effective than greyform... and it will help a lot vs higher lvl fire sorcs, whereas cold + light res i see kinda useless on a lvl 12 charger, as foh + orb//blizz will most likely rape you if they have decent cm

Greyform does prove that sweet +10 dex tho, coupled with angelics partial combo allows you to use clegs sword w/ base dex :/








Fred

[UserMathias]

Greyform does prove that sweet +10 dex tho, coupled with angelics partial combo allows you to use clegs sword w/ base dex :/


Angelic's gives a partial set bonus (two items) of +10 dex.

http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/sets/sets1.shtml#angelic

Angelics ftw :thumbsup:

[Beltyn]

he knows that, he mean the combo plus grey form eliminates problem.

base 25 dex, +10 greyform+10 angelics.

The set bonus can't be regained by wearing two rings and the ammy, it stays at a single +10 bonus, unlike cathan's where you can get the bonus per ring.

[LukeJames]

If you are looking for resistance at a low level, an item which many people (Myself included) overlook is the +10 to all Resistances given by Infernal Cranium.

[Zodijackyl]

I'm thinking of making a new NL level 9 clegs basher. This should be fun :D

My current setup would be:
Full clegs
prepatch eye of etlich
prepatch SOJs
Biggins bonnet for more damage

For belt/armor/boots, I'm not sure yet.
I'm trying to get some PP gtoes to use, and maybe a pp bladebuckle if I can. 10IAS from PP twitch wouldn't be much, and a mid one is too hard to come by. Maybe I can pick up a PP rattlecage, which would complete my crushing blow setup.

[purplelocust]

didn't know the angelic armor gave +1 skill bonues, but anyways I'll try it out tonight and have some fun :) ty~
Just a slight correction- it's the amulet that gives the +1 skill bonus when you are wearing three (different type) items from the set. So amulet + ring + armor gives +1 skill from the amulet. Amulet + 2 rings only counts are two types so you don't get the +1 skill in that case.

[Baranor]

Hay, theres LLD here too! GREEEET! Granted, most of my knowledge is based on XPAC, but I had a few interesting private discussions with classic players, and know a few extra tricks. Mind you, I'm workig form a HC perspective here, so if I forget "essential" stuff like life leech its because I never bother. Still, dont discard any of my ideas ;)

A clvl 9 dueller... here we go.

Firstly, don't ever forget Civerb's Cudgel. For Clvl 9 with no real stat reqs apart from some Strength, its an ideal toy for a basher barbie. It adds 17-23 to damage, and then another +9 for the level of the barb.

As for a level 9 amulet, harass normal andy untill she drops a nice rare with +5 str/dex and other usefull mods. She will drop it eventually... just might take an week or two ;). In fact, mining normal Andy will provide you with most of the LLD gear you'll need for level 9.

Level 9 means two +80 AR rings. Presoj are cute, but they wont help you hit better. The AR rings will. If you can't find two +80 AR rings (likely), try and find some nagelrings.

As far as the armor goes, err, well, a good rare might be nice, if not, you'll need something that adds some stats. At that leve they are hard to come by... but Greyform, since its usable at level 7, adds 10 dex. Not that you need it very much though if you're not using clegs sword. However, for a Basher Barbie, if you're willing to dish out the strenght, try getitng hold of the Berserkers Armor. It adds +1 to all barb skills and actually is very nice for that.

Then theres the gloves, belt and boots. Gloves+Belt ideally is deaths, boots should be Hsarus or Gorefoot for the +2 leap (added mobility bonus ^_^) But Hsarus adds some resistance, and that's really nice. But don't forget Bloodfist (my personal favorite), 40 to life, 30 FHR, 10% IAS and 5 to minimal damage make it pretty much the best gloves ever. ever ever. ever ever ever. For LLD that is.

Shieldwise, well, a Bone Shield of Deflecting springs to mind. It has a decent block value and a lot of faster block. But ideally, a pelta lunata beats it for more life, energy, fast block etc. Umbral disk is also certainly worth looking at. Less life, but +10 dex and a high block value make it a good candidate.

And lastly, the helmet, well, this depends on the rest of the gear. If you used a Berserkers Armor you shoudl really go with the helmet too as it adds 8 AR per level, which is nice. Plus, the two together add 50 life, which is quite a nice bonus, and the armor also gains some additional defense.

So, how would my basher barbie look in classic, ideally?

stats:

14 Str, rest (9*5, so 29) into Vit

Skills:
Assume a normal PA, so 12 skills points ot distribute (8 form levels, 4 from quests)

9 to bash
3 in mace mastery

Gear:
rare +5 str ammy+@ boni (ar is nice)
two +80 AR rings
Deaths Sash
Bloodfist
Hsarus Boots
Berserkers Headgear
Berserkers Armor
Pelta Lunata
Civerbs Cudgel

That brings us to:
Life:
55 starting, 2 per level up, 8 level ups makes 18
18 life form levelups
116 life form stats
40 life from bloodfist
40 life from pelta (10 vit=40 life)
50 life from berserkers
20 life form life quest:
339 life

Str 51 (16 from stats, 2 from pelta, 5 from ammy)
Dex: base
Vit: 64
Energy: 20 (10 form pelta)
Blocking: 44% or something (too lazy, go look up yourself)
AR: well, dunno the end AR, but you've just added 160 ar from rings + 72 AR from the berserkers set, so its going to be somewhere around 500-600 methinks. Not bad.
Defense: same here, no idea, but 200-300 at the least.

Damage: I have on clue. Really. +9 from bash, then hopefully a perfect civerbsfor +23 and another +9 from your clvl.

I'd go with that for a level 9 basher.

[fredsta54]

Hay, theres LLD here too! GREEEET! Granted, most of my knowledge is based on XPAC, but I had a few interesting private discussions with classic players, and know a few extra tricks. Mind you, I'm workig form a HC perspective here, so if I forget "essential" stuff like life leech its because I never bother. Still, dont discard any of my ideas ;)

A clvl 9 dueller... here we go.

Firstly, don't ever forget Civerb's Cudgel. For Clvl 9 with no real stat reqs apart from some Strength, its an ideal toy for a basher barbie. It adds 17-23 to damage, and then another +9 for the level of the barb.

As for a level 9 amulet, harass normal andy untill she drops a nice rare with +5 str/dex and other usefull mods. She will drop it eventually... just might take an week or two ;). In fact, mining normal Andy will provide you with most of the LLD gear you'll need for level 9.

Level 9 means two +80 AR rings. Presoj are cute, but they wont help you hit better. The AR rings will. If you can't find two +80 AR rings (likely), try and find some nagelrings.

As far as the armor goes, err, well, a good rare might be nice, if not, you'll need something that adds some stats. At that leve they are hard to come by... but Greyform, since its usable at level 7, adds 10 dex. Not that you need it very much though if you're not using clegs sword. However, for a Basher Barbie, if you're willing to dish out the strenght, try getitng hold of the Berserkers Armor. It adds +1 to all barb skills and actually is very nice for that.

Then theres the gloves, belt and boots. Gloves+Belt ideally is deaths, boots should be Hsarus or Gorefoot for the +2 leap (added mobility bonus ^_^) But Hsarus adds some resistance, and that's really nice. But don't forget Bloodfist (my personal favorite), 40 to life, 30 FHR, 10% IAS and 5 to minimal damage make it pretty much the best gloves ever. ever ever. ever ever ever. For LLD that is.

Shieldwise, well, a Bone Shield of Deflecting springs to mind. It has a decent block value and a lot of faster block. But ideally, a pelta lunata beats it for more life, energy, fast block etc. Umbral disk is also certainly worth looking at. Less life, but +10 dex and a high block value make it a good candidate.

And lastly, the helmet, well, this depends on the rest of the gear. If you used a Berserkers Armor you shoudl really go with the helmet too as it adds 8 AR per level, which is nice. Plus, the two together add 50 life, which is quite a nice bonus, and the armor also gains some additional defense.

So, how would my basher barbie look in classic, ideally?

stats:

14 Str, rest (9*5, so 29) into Vit

Skills:
Assume a normal PA, so 12 skills points ot distribute (8 form levels, 4 from quests)

9 to bash
3 in mace mastery

Gear:
rare +5 str ammy+@ boni (ar is nice)
two +80 AR rings
Deaths Sash
Bloodfist
Hsarus Boots
Berserkers Headgear
Berserkers Armor
Pelta Lunata
Civerbs Cudgel

That brings us to:
Life:
55 starting, 2 per level up, 8 level ups makes 18
18 life form levelups
116 life form stats
40 life from bloodfist
40 life from pelta (10 vit=40 life)
50 life from berserkers
20 life form life quest:
339 life

Str 51 (16 from stats, 2 from pelta, 5 from ammy)
Dex: base
Vit: 64
Energy: 20 (10 form pelta)
Blocking: 44% or something (too lazy, go look up yourself)
AR: well, dunno the end AR, but you've just added 160 ar from rings + 72 AR from the berserkers set, so its going to be somewhere around 500-600 methinks. Not bad.
Defense: same here, no idea, but 200-300 at the least.

Damage: I have on clue. Really. +9 from bash, then hopefully a perfect civerbsfor +23 and another +9 from your clvl.

I'd go with that for a level 9 basher.

That looks like a solid build, but i think in lld you can sacrifice the fhr from bloodfist and use deaths sash to hit the next breakpoint (does it?) Mabye even use full clegs set... that will grant you ar, some resist, CRUSHING BLOW, its faster, and does more damage than civerbs at that lvl including the ds.

I would also use a rare 30/20 bone w/ 10 fhr + dtm in favor of pelta












Fred

[earthrug]

uggg...."SlowDown" items in duels? Come on guys! Leave the Cleg gloves and General's Tans out of the duels. It gets boring real fast.

[fredsta54]

uggg...."SlowDown" items in duels? Come on guys! Leave the Cleg gloves and General's Tans out of the duels. It gets boring real fast.

I agree with you that slows target is very lame, however, if your using clegs shield + sword you may as well complete the set for yummy crushing blow + ar O.o :)








Fred

[earthrug]

Ya, the whole set (clegs)has alot of fun bonuses. I should not be so harsh on clegs. The amount of slow it has, really doesnt effect a lld that much. I guess I am just "bugged" out at the amount of peeps' who seem to be showing up for duels with good old General Tans. Dueled one guy using Generals, Clegs gloves and holy freeze. GeeWizzz.......I guess its fun for him.

[fledgeling]

I think gnasher might be the perfect LLD weapon
I need to figure out which character would benefit most of it, but while leveilng my smiter I found that you can stun the enemies with smite, switch to normal attack, hit them with gnasher so wounds are opened, stun with shield, repeat.

I dont know, if only the crushing blow is done by smite; the open wounds seem not to trigger if I attack with shield.
Im level 12 now, I will try swordback later :-)

on the other hand a charger with the fire aura might be best for level 12-15?


if I had a Bane Ash (+5firebolt) I would try a sorc
still the problem is that there are 0 LLD games on europe non-ladder

Ive only met few level 12 and 15 chargers
and some guy who had a palladin which had only life replenish items (2 rings, amu, 3skull helm...) - unfortuantely I havent duelled him

[zrk]

I think gnasher might be the perfect LLD weapon
I need to figure out which character would benefit most of it, but while leveilng my smiter I found that you can stun the enemies with smite, switch to normal attack, hit them with gnasher so wounds are opened, stun with shield, repeat.

I dont know, if only the crushing blow is done by smite; the open wounds seem not to trigger if I attack with shield.
Im level 12 now, I will try swordback later :-)

on the other hand a charger with the fire aura might be best for level 12-15?


if I had a Bane Ash (+5firebolt) I would try a sorc
still the problem is that there are 0 LLD games on europe non-ladder

Ive only met few level 12 and 15 chargers
and some guy who had a palladin which had only life replenish items (2 rings, amu, 3skull helm...) - unfortuantely I havent duelled him

The +5 firebolt staff us useless no matter what, trust me. Your sorc will do tiny damage with or without it. If you want to make an lld sorc, ice blast or fire ball are way better choises.

And the damage added from holy fire to charge is very small compared to the damage bonus you get from might, so stick with 1 point charge and rest to might. Holy fire is OK on an LLD zealer though.

I havent had any experience with smiters though so i wont comment on that.

[sculpen]

I dont know, if only the crushing blow is done by smite; the open wounds seem not to trigger if I attack with shield.
Im level 12 now, I will try swordback later :-)
Crushing Blow and Open Wounds can be triggered with smite. Gnasher makes a pretty nice smiter weapon if you are willing to deal with the slow attack speed. Blood Crescent has O/W and gives alot faster smite. I open with Gnasher then switch to Crescent when opponent's life gets around half. This is on a level 12 smiter. Not too fun to use, but it gets the job done.