Need some Martel facts -

[LukeJames]

Alright, once again after building from scratch and using the tips of making a 170 strength bonesnap barbarian, I have molded myself a right little barbarian. At the moment he has 200 strength, using a 247 Martel and doing a maximum damage of 1378 at level 78.

Anyways, I was running back and forth between Hell Meph and Hell Andy, using Sigon Boots for the 20% Faster Run/Walk and the 50% Magic Find (I use them for Magic Finding and nothing else). Andy dropped a unique ring, bam, Stone of Jordan. I'm going to upgrade this barbarian's weapon, I need to know what I should look for in terms of a single SOJ-Worthy Martel.

1)How useful is +2 Barbarian Skills on a Martel even if it's the difference of a 258 and a 270+?
2)What is the least damage worthy of an SOJ without any other mods.
3) What is the least damage worthy of an SOJ with leech life or leech mana?

[aznpwner]

Alright, once again after building from scratch and using the tips of making a 170 strength bonesnap barbarian, I have molded myself a right little barbarian. At the moment he has 200 strength, using a 247 Martel and doing a maximum damage of 1378 at level 78.

Anyways, I was running back and forth between Hell Meph and Hell Andy, using Sigon Boots for the 20% Faster Run/Walk and the 50% Magic Find (I use them for Magic Finding and nothing else). Andy dropped a unique ring, bam, Stone of Jordan. I'm going to upgrade this barbarian's weapon, I need to know what I should look for in terms of a single SOJ-Worthy Martel.

1)How useful is +2 Barbarian Skills on a Martel even if it's the difference of a 258 and a 270+?
2)What is the least damage worthy of an SOJ without any other mods.
3) What is the least damage worthy of an SOJ with leech life or leech mana?

Congrats on the soj find. *cough* lucky son of a gun *cough*.
If you are on US EAST LADDER, that mart wid the +2 skills IMO is worth 2 sojs, if it has other decent mods such as ed, are leach. I saw one go for two sojs the other day. If I were you tho, I would try to get a higher dmg mart wid higher ED, than go for the +2 cuz the +2 prob costs more. I think least damage worthy of soj is 265 without any other mods. I had a 248 mart wid life leach, ED, AR but it didn't go for a soj, so I'm not really sure about that one.

[Kevin William Cox]

Congrats on the find Luke!

But forget about a +2 Martel, you won't get it for 1 SOJ. But if your gonna trade it you will get better than 247 Martel, and maybe A LOT more if the right buyer comes along. Hold out for a while and take Account names.

[LukeJames]

I saw someone with a 258 +2 Martel a few days back.
I'm not really caring about additional barbarian skills so I'm not going to hound for them.

[LukeJames]

West ladder is brutal, I keep finding people with 260+ Martels and as soon as I inquire to buy it they shout "Soj +". I mean for god's sakes, it's not like anyone is going to dump godlies and sojs onto these people if the martel only has a modification like +11 minimum damage, unless it's +2 Barbarian skills or socketed, anything under 270 should be in SOJ range.\

EDIT: Finally got a trade, pure 261 Damage Martel with exceptional attack rating.
164% Enhanced Damage, 238 Attack Rating, Prevent Monster Heal.
While I was waiting for a seller, found a Goldskin.

[fredsta54]

West ladder is brutal, I keep finding people with 260+ Martels and as soon as I inquire to buy it they shout "Soj +". I mean for god's sakes, it's not like anyone is going to dump godlies and sojs onto these people if the martel only has a modification like +11 minimum damage, unless it's +2 Barbarian skills or socketed, anything under 270 should be in SOJ range.\

EDIT: Finally got a trade, pure 261 Damage Martel with exceptional attack rating.
164% Enhanced Damage, 238 Attack Rating, Prevent Monster Heal.
While I was waiting for a seller, found a Goldskin.

164 ed mart crap mods for soj? :/

The ar rele wont help a bit if u use sigs + angelics, and phm wont help either

I woulda gone for a 3X dura 240+ mart if you can get it










Fred

[LukeJames]

My friend was in need of goldskin direly so I traded him the one I found for an ornate. Not the best ornate in the world but quite nice considering it was a low 372 Defence Goldskin.
Red Ornate
789 Defence
17 FHR
+4 Strength (Yay for damage)
+44 Life (Handy)
26% Lightning Resistance
15% Poison Resistance

EDIT: After weighing the Ornate Versus. Goldskin I have come to a conclusion, rattlecage is the better. Even though with Ornate I was peeking around 2850 HP and 3800 Defence and some extra damage as well as the ability to tank a bunch of lighting. It still did not compare to the fact that Rattlecage gives additional attack rating and does 2x as much damage.

I like being red and awesome looking though. The ornate makes a great tool for alot of monster mashing but I like the ability to keep 25% Crushing blow when using sigon boots for Meph/Andy running.

[aznpwner]

164 ed mart crap mods for soj? :/

The ar rele wont help a bit if u use sigs + angelics, and phm wont help either

I woulda gone for a 3X dura 240+ mart if you can get it










Fred


Wait Fred, you're saying trade soj for a 240 mart? That's horrible. Remember my mart, it was 248 5 ll, like 118 Ed, 201 AR 75 Dura, not worth soj. I was thinking he could at least get 260+.

[Akukami]

Congrats on the find, but you wasted a SoJ for that crap Mart. >.<

- Akukami

[LukeJames]

It's not a crap mart.

[Kevin William Cox]

I don't think it's a crap Martel either. 261 damage isn't that bad, so what the mods maybe weren't the best there are, if you're happy with it, Good.

[LukeJames]

I shouldn't need to remind the 'Far Easts'. However I think you perhaps neglected to remember;
USWEST and USEAST have different trade values

I did see an awesome 3x 171 martel with 17 LR. Guess what, there was no way in heck he'd take a single SOJ for it. It was sold in five minutes for two.
300+ Lances are worth 2 SOJ's in West.
270+ Martels are worth 2 SOJ's in West
160+ Battle Hammers are worth 2 SOJ's in West.
120+ Nagas are worth 2 SOJ's in West.

Everything is more expensive over here than it is where Fredsta is, believe me, the West ladder is lacking in items seriously.

[fredsta54]

I don't think it's a crap Martel either. 261 damage isn't that bad, so what the mods maybe weren't the best there are, if you're happy with it, Good.


its not a crap mart. Its an amazing mart, i just think thats its not worth soj. Then again, as you said, i am on east.

@Azn: an 240 mart could be worth soj if it had 3x dura and nice mods like dual leach... thats for pvm. Pvpers prefer 60 dura higher dmg mart. If you can get a really nice dmg 3x dura mart with dual leach, wow.










Fred

[LukeJames]

Heh, imagine a 280 3x Durability, perfect dual leech martel.
Now that I'd like to see and have.

[fledgeling]

I did see an awesome 3x 171 martel with 17 LR. Guess what, there was no way in heck he'd take a single SOJ for it. It was sold in five minutes for two.

it's worse than a bonesnap or steeldriver wtf..

[LukeJames]

Sorry I mean 271.

[aznpwner]

I shouldn't need to remind the 'Far Easts'. However I think you perhaps neglected to remember;
USWEST and USEAST have different trade values

I did see an awesome 3x 171 martel with 17 LR. Guess what, there was no way in heck he'd take a single SOJ for it. It was sold in five minutes for two.
300+ Lances are worth 2 SOJ's in West.
270+ Martels are worth 2 SOJ's in West
160+ Battle Hammers are worth 2 SOJ's in West.
120+ Nagas are worth 2 SOJ's in West.

Everything is more expensive over here than it is where Fredsta is, believe me, the West ladder is lacking in items seriously.


If 300+ lances are worth 2 SOJ in WEST, then WEST prices are definetely cheaper then EAST. I currently have a 300 dmg lance, not worth a SOJ on EAST. Wait, are you on ladder?

[LukeJames]

Yes, ladder.

[Zodijackyl]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/zodijackylite/BrimstoneManglerMartel.jpg

My martel ^_^

[Akukami]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/zodijackylite/BrimstoneManglerMartel.jpg

My martel ^_^

LukeJames, THAT is a Mart.

- Akukami

[LukeJames]

I agree.
However that Martel is worth 2.5 Sojs (Meaning 2 SOJS + Godly rares).

Did I say I had that kind of moolah to spend on a martel?
No, I didn't.
Does that martel own socks?
Yes it does.
Could I afford that martel even by combining every single item in every one of my accounts?
No I couldn't.

Don't flame me Akukami, I enjoy my martel and with my current set-up I needn't the leech nor the durability of that martel.

[Akukami]

Flame? Nah, I'm just sharing my opinion. You're the one getting hyped up about it.

Anyways, Zodi, I forgot to ask if that was Ladder or NL. So which one is it?

- Akukami

[LukeJames]

No, Akukami. While others said stated opinions or constructive criticism, your posts seemed to underline "You're a noob who doesn't know worths". So, kindly stop posting here.

[Akukami]

No, Akukami. While others said stated opinions or constructive criticism, your posts seemed to underline "You're a noob who doesn't know worths". So, kindly stop posting here.

I'm going to kindly decline that request and post my opinions here. Also, keep in mind that whatever you just said up there was what you assumed, incorrectly I may add. So basically, you just called yourself a noob. :thumbsup:

On another note, saving that SOJ would've been wiser than just trading it. I'll admit, the Mart you ended up getting isn't bad, but honestly, you could've gotten much better for it. Btw, what did you do with the other SOJ you MFed? If that 271 Mart you claimed to have seen was going for two SOJs, then I'm pretty sure there's another one out there with similar mods that could've gone for the same. The next time you get a SOJ, just be patient and shop around a bit.

- Akukami

[fredsta54]

I'm going to kindly decline that request and post my opinions here. Also, keep in mind that whatever you just said up there was what you assumed, incorrectly I may add. So basically, you just called yourself a noob. :thumbsup:

On another note, saving that SOJ would've been wiser than just trading it. I'll admit, the Mart you ended up getting isn't bad, but honestly, you could've gotten much better for it. Btw, what did you do with the other SOJ you MFed? If that 271 Mart you claimed to have seen was going for two SOJs, then I'm pretty sure there's another one out there with similar mods that could've gone for the same. The next time you get a SOJ, just be patient and shop around a bit.

- Akukami


keep in mind that the value of soj is not very high on wsccl from what ive seen











Fred

[LukeJames]

Just for a real example;
260 Martel, -20 Requirements (Useless mod on a martel), +9 minimum damage going for 1.5 sojs, I tried smooth talkin' the seller but he demanded a godly helm and sojs perhaps even more.

[Zodijackyl]

My martel is from ladder season 2, now on non ladder. Although it's not a 300 damage martel, what more mods could you ask for? near perfect AR, high min, life leech, high dura. No need for more mana leech, and the thing just owns.

[Akukami]

keep in mind that the value of soj is not very high on wsccl from what ive seen

Fred

True, but I'm giving an example of a Mart that he claims to have seen, that had higher damage, and possibly better mods. Patience would've probably gotten him something a little better, wouldn't you agree?

- Akukami

EDIT: @ Luke - You didn't insult the seller's intelligence, did you?

[LukeJames]

The only people's intelligence which I belittle is the people who say things like;
"Nagels go over 30% idiot, I've seen them" to me.

I saw another person having the exact same problem as me, he asked for a 270 a few people went in and started laughing and exited leaving him all alone. He still doesn't have a martel, west is not a fun place to be. My best bet for a better martel is to find one in Hell Travincal.

Fun Fact : When I made a game asking for a "260+ Martel" a person came in and said sarcastically "You think you're going to get a 260+ martel for an soj? GL wit dat".

[Akukami]

The only people's intelligence which I belittle is the people who say things like;
"Nagels go over 30% idiot, I've seen them" to me.

I saw another person having the exact same problem as me, he asked for a 270 a few people went in and started laughing and exited leaving him all alone. He still doesn't have a martel, west is not a fun place to be. My best bet for a better martel is to find one in Hell Travincal.

Fun Fact : When I made a game asking for a "260+ Martel" a person came in and said sarcastically "You think you're going to get a 260+ martel for an soj? GL wit dat".

Did you try two SOJs and ask for a higher damage Mart?

- Akukami

[LukeJames]

I didn't have two sojs.
I just started this ladder again on like January 1st.

[fredsta54]

The only people's intelligence which I belittle is the people who say things like;
"Nagels go over 30% idiot, I've seen them" to me.

I saw another person having the exact same problem as me, he asked for a 270 a few people went in and started laughing and exited leaving him all alone. He still doesn't have a martel, west is not a fun place to be. My best bet for a better martel is to find one in Hell Travincal.

Fun Fact : When I made a game asking for a "260+ Martel" a person came in and said sarcastically "You think you're going to get a 260+ martel for an soj? GL wit dat".


damage isnt everything.

If i were you i would have setteled with even a lower damage mart for soj (240+) assuming it has great mods (180 dura, dual leach, etc.)











Fred

[LukeJames]

I saw one cool modded martel - Dual Leech, 180 durability. Problem was that it was 221 damage, no thanks. Just a little note, prevent monster heal is helpful in Travincal. Because of all the healing creatures and the council have replenish life.

[fredsta54]

I saw one cool modded martel - Dual Leech, 180 durability. Problem was that it was 221 damage, no thanks. Just a little note, prevent monster heal is helpful in Travincal. Because of all the healing creatures and the council have replenish life.

dont the healing monsters only heal the zealot guys?

A 221 mart would get the job done, although i admit the damage is kinda skimpy

I mean, marts have the highest 2h avg dmg

If a 208 dmg anc axe can do trav runs a 221 mart can def do it... personally i dont like the maul look :P












Fred

[LukeJames]

I have a blue ancient axe.
It's about the sexiest weapon ever.
Too bad it's only 191 damage and 39 level req.
:(

[purplelocust]

dont the healing monsters only heal the zealot guys?

No, those Cantors can heal other monsters as well, including the Council members, so they can be annoying to have nearby. Those zealots just run away anyway...

[Beltyn]

Don't think the cantor's can heal the council.

However, i Do know the council can heal each other.

Think the strange pink lightning shot they use restores health to each other.

Not 100% though.

[LukeJames]

I'm not sure the specifics, I do know that monsters in Travincal which are hurt will find a way to be healed, if not in combat with you. If you townportal out of Trancival and come back with council members hurt, upon return they will be greatly healed.

If you die, they will heal themselves, Cantors can heal each other and I believe council.

[magnet]

a good pvm martel is often alot harder to find than the high dmg 'whacking-sticks' that people use for pvp only, and end up being more expensive as a result. also the people who get excited about a sick pvm martel are usually the goldfinders/gamblers and have deeper pockets.

mods like 180 dura, dual leech, ias, +skills and knockback [gods gift to trav runners, try it if you're not hip already] are what i look for, and when i see most of em on a mart over 265 i drool. and reach for the sojs...

i only use martels one other place...speeders...and there things are alot simpler...big dmg is all that really matters [basically anyway....theres extra stuff that helps for sure, but when it comes to whacking another player with a big stick....the subtle tweaking of mods seems a bit silly]....big ar, ias for zerking necs, and natural cold dmg are icing and not at all vital.

[Zodijackyl]

a good pvm martel is often alot harder to find than the high dmg 'whacking-sticks' that people use for pvp only, and end up being more expensive as a result. also the people who get excited about a sick pvm martel are usually the goldfinders/gamblers and have deeper pockets.

mods like 180 dura, dual leech, ias, +skills and knockback [gods gift to trav runners, try it if you're not hip already] are what i look for, and when i see most of em on a mart over 265 i drool. and reach for the sojs...

i only use martels one other place...speeders...and there things are alot simpler...big dmg is all that really matters [basically anyway....theres extra stuff that helps for sure, but when it comes to whacking another player with a big stick....the subtle tweaking of mods seems a bit silly]....big ar, ias for zerking necs, and natural cold dmg are icing and not at all vital.

I prefer lance for speeders and martel for BvA. My favorite whomper is my NL barb using my friends sick martel (304 with godly mods) and 300 base str, along with nice speed and another 100ish str from items. Some cocky dcara hdin tried to guard town, and instead died off the first two taps from my WW :)

For trav, I would rather have a more helpful suffix than prevent monster heal, because with 250 base strength on my current mart mfer, I try to kill in one whirlwind (which is impossible with my current POS martel).
Ideally, the three prefixes on a martel should be
-ED
-ED/AR
(these first two are mandatory)
the last one would be either
-AR
-Skills
Sadly, a lot of good weapons have resists on them, like my nice 40ias 247 bec with 20PR on it (8min and rest ED)

The suffixes are more varied, but the popular ones are
-Life Leech (up to 7)
-Mana Leech (up to 7, I think)
-min dmg (up to 14)
-max dmg (up to 20)
-IAS (up to 40)
-fire damage
-poison damage
-cold damage (unpopular for PvM)
-lightning damage (I still don't know why people like this)
-strength
-knockback
-PMH

For a nice martel, if I could only choose three, I would take +min, fire damage, and life leech. My ideal MF martel is:
180 durability (NOT NOT NOT a prefix or suffix)
+2barb
200% enchanced damage
150 attack rating
+14 min
+6-19 fire
7 Life Leech

although maximum damage would add more to the average damage, and would make a nice looking number over 300, I still love any weapon with over 190 min (meaning only martels like this one on classic). If I couldn't get one of those suffixes, I would love +strength subbed in for it.

On a side note, I just wrote two extremely long posts on separate forums at the same time, switching between them. The other one is a cooking forum, and I'm going to need to make some of that Guinness Cheesecake soon.

[LukeJames]

I'd rather have cold/poison damage on a martel then fire.

[Zodijackyl]

I'd rather have cold/poison damage on a martel then fire.

Why cold?
Poison is nice because it lets you see what you hit. Cold shatters corpses so you can't pop them.
Fire damage stuns those not fire immune, and if you flayer lower levels it prevents the damn things that get hit at the edge of a WW from running off and killing your friend.

After thinking about it a bit more, depending on where I'll use the barb more, I might rather have +20 strength.

[purplelocust]

For a nice martel, if I could only choose three, I would take +min, fire damage, and life leech. My ideal MF martel is:
180 durability (NOT NOT NOT a prefix or suffix)
+2barb
200% enchanced damage
150 attack rating
+14 min
+6-19 fire
7 Life Leech

Interesting comments, thanks for your well-though-out martel advice. I was wondering why you prefer +6-19 fire damage to mana leech on an MF martel. Mana leech on the weapon allows more freedom with other gear, which is great for MFing, so I'm much more partial to dual leech big martels. The fire damage can give the stun effect but the actual damage that it contributes is small compared to the physical damage, it seems to me. Or I'd rather have a STR bonus, as that will increase physical damage much more than the fire damage would help, but no stun effect, though.

[LukeJames]

My buddy has a 245 Martel with 5% Life leech.
I keep contemplating about trading my 261 for it but I just don't know.

[Rawly]

Interesting comments, thanks for your well-though-out martel advice. I was wondering why you prefer +6-19 fire damage to mana leech on an MF martel. Mana leech on the weapon allows more freedom with other gear, which is great for MFing, so I'm much more partial to dual leech big martels. The fire damage can give the stun effect but the actual damage that it contributes is small compared to the physical damage, it seems to me. Or I'd rather have a STR bonus, as that will increase physical damage much more than the fire damage would help, but no stun effect, though.
I expect Zodi will socket it with perfect skull for mana leach

[Zodijackyl]

Of course, a nice MF martel deserves a pskull socket :)
Unless it's an amazing 290+ with insane mods, in which case I'll probably keep it clean or ame it.

[Sivy]

"and would make a nice looking number over 300" - who is max dmg on martel??? i ask for curiosity...

[Beltyn]

base damage 61 -99.

so 200% ED would make 183 - 297.

then could have +20 max damage.

Not sure whether could also have the mod of 'adds x - y' damage as well, but even without that means you could get a 317 martel.

Granted if you, you should be beaten for being such a lucky b*****d :thumbsup:

[Zodijackyl]

base damage 61 -99.

so 200% ED would make 183 - 297.

then could have +20 max damage.

Not sure whether could also have the mod of 'adds x - y' damage as well, but even without that means you could get a 317 martel.

Granted if you, you should be beaten for being such a lucky b*****d :thumbsup:

You could have a combo of min and max, such as "adds 14-20 damage".
I'm really love high min martels, and 190+min is amazing. I have two nice +9min MF rings, and a 9min MF amu. Combine this with a 200ed 14min (197min) martel, and you get an effective damage of 224-297. Wearing this on a barb with 250 base strength, another 50 strength from items, a +2 amulet and tarn, you get some insane damage. Currently the best min in a martel I've gotten is 192 (197ed 11min), and it has 294 max.
Nothing beats the min damage on a nice martel :)

[warriorrk]

Just out of curiousity, what are the best places to find good martels?

[Rawly]

Just out of curiousity, what are the best places to find good martels?

If you can run diablo in nm for bugged quest drop (ie when your character doesnt have the quest done and the game is made by someone that does have it done so it is closed to you) with 0% mf and get 5-6 rare drops and takes like 1-2 mins with lv 70 orb sorc (lv 68 is easy to get to off nm cs mf runs) I usually kill the seal bosses with about 150 mf then remove to kill diablo you get more rares with 0% mf strange but true.

Found the following martels that i can remember
This ladder
Hell cs diablo 27x, 24x
Nm diablo got a awesome +2 skill -30 req martel but only 22x damage :(
Last ladder
Nm cs diablo 25x (not sure if you can get 200% ed from nm diablo but you definitely can get items upto about 180% ed)
Pre 1.10
Hell meph, chest behind meph 25x

[LukeJames]

Darn, Diablo be the one monster I can't run.

[Kiwi Legend]

I shouldn't need to remind the 'Far Easts'. However I think you perhaps neglected to remember;
USWEST and USEAST have different trade values

I did see an awesome 3x 171 martel with 17 LR. Guess what, there was no way in heck he'd take a single SOJ for it. It was sold in five minutes for two.
300+ Lances are worth 2 SOJ's in West.
270+ Martels are worth 2 SOJ's in West
160+ Battle Hammers are worth 2 SOJ's in West.
120+ Nagas are worth 2 SOJ's in West.

Everything is more expensive over here than it is where Fredsta is, believe me, the West ladder is lacking in items seriously.

Ive come in late on this thread but, this doesnt make any sense to me. If items are worth more on west, then wouldnt soj's also be worth more thus negating the increased value? If WEST lacks in items then how do people buy items with more stones then east? Soj's should be just as rare as the affor mentioned godlies to find = less stones available. That is why they are a currency. (kind of a vicious circle)