Is Nihlathak sc worth cubing?

[Cole Virus]

On one of my D key runs, Nihlathak dropped me a small charm( not too good stats). Just wondering if it is worth cubing? What kind of result should I be trying to get with cubing this sc or do I just sell it to a vendor?

[Evrae Altana]

Nihlathak SCs can get some crazy mods, so if you have the PGems to do so, it wouldn't hurt to reroll it.

[Quietust]

The "Pestilent" prefix is worth aiming for - 175 poison damage over 6 seconds.

[Leohappy]

Cubbing scs is not worth it, chance that you'll get something valuable is much lower when compared to gcs.

[sorceressgod]

YES, definitely.

[inanefedaykin]

Save your pgems for gcs.

[Streetproject]

Does it really matter were you get your charms from? I thought it only mattered what level you are. Like, higher levels= higher mods. Lower levels = lower mods.

[Undercat]

Higher ilvls mean higher mods. Items with higher ilvls can only be dropped by monsters with higher mlvls.

Monsters like Nilly, Baal and Pindle have very high mlvls, and hence generate items with the highest lvls.

The way I understand it characte lvl makes no difference.

[bluedragoon]

it only makes a difference when u go cube the charm. If u arent high enough lvl u cant cube the highest suffix or affix, but the charm that droppes is still the same high lvl

[Quietus]

it only makes a difference when u go cube the charm. If u arent high enough lvl u cant cube the highest suffix or affix, but the charm that droppes is still the same high lvl

Sorry, but this is wrong.

When an item drops, it's given what's referred to as an ilvl - this is the level of the item. In the case of it dropping from a monster, the ilvl of the item is the same as the level of the monster that dropped it. Nihlithak is ... I can't remember what level, I believe he's above 94, though. At higher levels (diablo's level is 94, Nihl is higher, Baal is 99 - only the uber 3 in tristram are higher than this, those three are level 110), small charms can get some absolutely insane damage mods, such as :

Flaming +10-19 Minimum and +20-29 Maximum Fire Damage (ilvl 89)

Hibernal +8-10 Minimum and +15-20 Maximum Cold Damage - 1 Second Duration (ilvl 91)

Shocking +1 Minimum and +44-71 Maximum Lightning Damage (ilvl 90)

Pestilent +175 Poison Damage Over 6 Seconds ( ilvl 88 -this can be dropped by unique monsters in level 85 areas.)

So by cubing a nihl small charm, you have a (small) chance of getting 19-29 fire damage, 10-20 cold damage, 1-71 lightning damage, or 175 poison over 6 seconds, on a small charm.

Assuming these spawn with the highest level suffix to match, you could get :

Hibernal small charm of Winter : 15-29 cold damage, 2 second cold duration

Flaming small charm of Incernation : 26-42 fire damage

Shocking small charm of Storms : 2-99 lightning damage

I can't remember exactly how the math works for poison, but ... well, it gets obscene. :p

[Leohappy]

Assuming these spawn with the highest level suffix to match, you could get :

Hibernal small charm of Winter : 15-29 cold damage, 2 second cold duration

Flaming small charm of Incernation : 26-42 fire damage

Shocking small charm of Storms : 2-99 lightning damage

I can't remember exactly how the math works for poison, but ... well, it gets obscene. :pSCS with these stats would have no value whatsoverer in trading. The only exception are psn scs with 2xx or more psn dmg (I think 451psn dmg is max on sc tho, v.rare stuff and not worth cubbing just for that).

So if you cube charms for profit, don't cube scs or lcs.

[Quietus]

SCS with these stats would have no value whatsoverer in trading. The only exception are psn scs with 2xx or more psn dmg (I think 451psn dmg is max on sc tho, v.rare stuff and not worth cubbing just for that).

So if you cube charms for profit, don't cube scs or lcs.

To most, no. In general people would find charms like this laughable at best. However, there are those among us who would love to get our hands on a 99 light damage sc.

Ultimately, if you're looking for wealth.. You're probably best to stick with baal gc's for skillers. Personally, I cube whatever I find to be neat, and that includes ilvl99 sc's. I have a 175 poison/5fhr sc that I'm quite happy with :D

[Orphan]

quietus, although what you said about ilvl is correct, don't confuse ilvl with alvl. For Grand Charms, it's safe to assume that the item will need an ilvl = alvl in order for it to get those mods, but for small charms the same doesn't work, because small charms have a qlvl of 28 (instead of 1, which is what a GC is)

For example, the Flaming prefix on the small charm has an alvl of 89. Now, let's assume we find a small charm with an ilvl of 89 as well, we then need to determine what it's alvl will be:

ilvl = 89
qlvl = 28
desired alvl = 89

If (ilvl>99) then {ilvl=99} //False
if (qlvl>ilvl) then {ilvl=qlvl} //False, 89 !< 28
if (magic_lvl>0) then {alvl=ilvl+magic_lvl}//Disregard, it's a small charm
else
{
if (ilvl<(99-qlvl/2)) //False, 89 !<85
then {alvl=ilvl-qlvl/2}
else {alvl=2*ilvl-99} //alvl = 2*89-99 = 79
}
If (alvl>99) then {alvl=99}

So, for this ilvl 89 small charm, the affixes that are available to us are alvl 79 or below, not enough for the flaming prefix. In this case, you would need a small charm with an ilvl of at least 94, in order to be able to get the Flaming prefix.

Nihlathak has an mlvl of 95, so any small charm dropped from him will be able to get the Flaming prefix (along with any affix with an alvl of 91 or less)

[Quietus]

quietus, although what you said about ilvl is correct, don't confuse ilvl with alvl. For Grand Charms, it's safe to assume that the item will need an ilvl = alvl in order for it to get those mods, but for small charms the same doesn't work, because small charms have a qlvl of 28 (instead of 1, which is what a GC is)

For example, the Flaming prefix on the small charm has an alvl of 89. Now, let's assume we find a small charm with an ilvl of 89 as well, we then need to determine what it's alvl will be:

ilvl = 89
qlvl = 28
desired alvl = 89

If (ilvl>99) then {ilvl=99} //False
if (qlvl>ilvl) then {ilvl=qlvl} //False, 89 !< 28
if (magic_lvl>0) then {alvl=ilvl+magic_lvl}//Disregard, it's a small charm
else
{
if (ilvl<(99-qlvl/2)) //False, 89 !<85
then {alvl=ilvl-qlvl/2}
else {alvl=2*ilvl-99} //alvl = 2*89-99 = 79
}
If (alvl>99) then {alvl=99}

So, for this ilvl 89 small charm, the affixes that are available to us are alvl 79 or below, not enough for the flaming prefix. In this case, you would need a small charm with an ilvl of at least 94, in order to be able to get the Flaming prefix.

Nihlathak has an mlvl of 95, so any small charm dropped from him will be able to get the Flaming prefix (along with any affix with an alvl of 91 or less)


Right, alvl... one part of the D2 math I have yet to fully understand. Thanks for correcting me on this one.

[mdzele]

I have 4-5 of these Baal/Nith/Diablo Sc's (all lvl 73-83 as proof!) with crappy mods and I was trying to sell them as pack for like Pul on Eu ScL - but no one seems to be interested...

At the same time, I dont feel like just giving them to Charsi as they can give some really crazy mods... I did gamble once a 18 life/ 1-67 lite dam and on another occasion 2dex / 5% all res Sc :grin: (pure luck I know)...

Can some math wizz here give me an idea of what would be the odds of gambling some 'Uber' psn damage Sc (like 313 or 451 psn dam) in % ?


Thx in advance!