masterazn's auradin! I need serious help.

[masterazn]

Well, I've just stacked enough currency to get myself some dreams and what not. I've decided to make an auradin now, since I've seen them in action and kill everyone in the PvP rooms.

I'm debating two builds. The pure Dreamdin or the Dream/Dragon build. I'm a bit afraid of wisp projectors absorbing all the holy shock dmg, so I'm leaning towards a lightning/fire build. I've read Raffster's guide and the other dream guides but none of them seem to agree with anyone else. Everyone is defending their own build, obviously.

I have decided to opt for charge instead of zeal or smite.

Some initial questions:

-Does weapon IAS and WSM affect charge?
-Why do the guides advise to pump 1 into charge and 20 into might or vigor? Might and Vigor synergize charge for 20% damage per point while a point into charge itself gives a 25% damage increase with an AR boost as well. Seems like the logical thing would be to max charge.
-How far can I stack auras?
-Are auradins good in PvP in your opinion? This is public pk.
-Is physical damage important?


Projected Gear Setup:

-Dream Bone Visage
-Dream Elite Paladin Shield
-Dragon Armour
-Hand of Justice (Phase Blade? Beserker Axe? What weapon would be good?)


That's all I have really. I have no idea what to use for my other gear. Obviously, I will have CTA + Spirit for BO and whatnot.

Projected Stats Setup:
STR: Enough for gear
DEX: Enough for 75% Block with HS
VIT: All
ENE: None

Projected Skill Setup:
-20 Resist Fire
-20 Resist Lightning
-20 Conviction
-20 Charge
-Rest into Holy Shield

So what do you guys think? I know this build has been discussed a lot but I just couldn't find answers to these. Also, could someone please explain to me why I should pick some boots over others? The guides just say "use this" but not why.

Thanks!


-masterazn

[forresthausz]

get up'd gores and bloodfist or steelrend's. a godly rare or crafter pally ammy would be good too. x1raven frost+1 bk. or X2 raven if u need the dex. for charms u should get like X500 3/20/20's that would cover it. maybe a few skill charms but it doesnt seem as necessary as for say hammerdin. of anni, and torch if u can get it.

[forresthausz]

oh and also, you just want to get conviction to lvl 25 if that. so see how much +skills you have then calculate exactly how much u need to put in to conviction, sothen u can put more in to might+vigor. u might need to watch your resistance and dr. seems a little low with that gear. that would be a reason to go for the dragon+hoj. cuz then u could get a coa, with X2 ber or something. then with dungos (forgot to add that) you would have enough dr, then maybe get some large quantities of 20 life/5 res sc's

[rolling stoned]

don't auras given by items, ie dreams, only stack if the aura is the same. if this is true then an hoj would be useless with the 2 dragons, cuz they don't have the same lvl aura. i noticed no one ever mentioned this dilema :xmas7:

[Pucho]

It doesn't matter the lvl of the aura

[masterazn]

Wait....I'm lost. Auras of different levels dont' stack?


If i have two dreams, i get lvl 30. What's the deal with dragon and HOJ?


Also, I dont think i need DR or anything...I just plan to charge around like an idiot....i dont know, you tell me.

[Ce Olba]

Wait....I'm lost. Auras of different levels dont' stack?


If i have two dreams, i get lvl 30. What's the deal with dragon and HOJ?


Also, I dont think i need DR or anything...I just plan to charge around like an idiot....i dont know, you tell me.

THEY DO STACK. The auras i mean.

As for tactics, that's a stupid one. Sooner ar later u will get a smiter chargenamelock u and bust your *** open with his grief.

I'm not much of an expert on Auradins, except that barbs>auradins too easily, because doom>charge, and u can always stack huge amounts of resi (160 light ba, 85 all res kiras, hotspurs, tgod, nokozan, torch, anni, nat res+fade prebuff= at least 199 to all res, to light=359, to fire=294). I know a few people will now come babble about how it's lame to stack huge amounts of resi, but hey, of course u want to survive, that's primal, that's normal. Except it's just a game..

[masterazn]

Okay, can someone explain how stacking auras works EXACTLY? Thanks.


Ce Olba, you bring up a good point. This is why I'm also considering using a Fortitude and a Grief Beserker when I meet people with stacked resistances. That way, I think I can dish out some good physical damage with my resistances. Don't go telling me they can stack DR + Resists at the same time, I doubt that.

What do you guys think?

[Pucho]

Okay, can someone explain how stacking auras works EXACTLY? Thanks.[...]

item with "lvl X Y aura when equiped" + item with "lvl Z Y aura when equiped"= lvl (X+Z) Y aura when you equip both items.
I don't know why some people say thet it has to be the same lvl aura...

[masterazn]

item with "lvl X Y aura when equiped" + item with "lvl Z Y aura when equiped"= lvl (X+Z) Y aura when you equip both items.
I don't know why some people say thet it has to be the same lvl aura...

Tested and confirmed right? Hrm....that's interesting. What if I had Conviction on my pal and then my merc had that runeword with conviction, would that stack?


Also, any ideas on the charge with grief thing? Should I use a PB or what? Does charge get faster with more ias?

With Dual Dreams, Dragon + HOJ, I get:

Level 30 Holy Shock
Level 30 Holy Fire

Sounds good to me. Take of HOJ and I just have a level 14 Holy Fire but then I have grief for insane damage.

-masterazn

[Pucho]

Tested and confirmed right? Hrm....that's interesting. What if I had Conviction on my pal and then my merc had that runeword with conviction, would that stack?


Also, any ideas on the charge with grief thing? Should I use a PB or what? Does charge get faster with more ias?

With Dual Dreams, Dragon + HOJ, I get:

Level 30 Holy Shock
Level 30 Holy Fire

Sounds good to me. Take of HOJ and I just have a level 14 Holy Fire but then I have grief for insane damage.

-masterazn
The auras stack only if they are granted by items on equip (exept prayer) so no, conviction won't stack, even if the paladin uses the conviction stick.
I think you should use HoJ + conviction, but that's just me.

[Ce Olba]

The auras stack only if they are granted by items on equip (exept prayer) so no, conviction won't stack, even if the paladin uses the conviction stick.
I think you should use HoJ + conviction, but that's just me.

He is talking against stackers. For Example, my barbarian can easily have about 300 to both resistances and still use grief or doom. So far there has been no auradin, dreamadin, torchadin to beat him. Well, no wonder with his 6k life and huge resistances when needed. As if u charge, i can always just use doom to slow u down, or grief to tele-ww on u and kill u a little faster.

[I)ark_Amazon]

ive heard that the auras dont technically "stack" so instead of a lvl 30 holy shock -you get two pulses of lvl 15 holy shocks stacked on top of each other which gives out more dmage

[Pucho]

ive heard that the auras dont technically "stack" so instead of a lvl 30 holy shock -you get two pulses of lvl 15 holy shocks stacked on top of each other which gives out more dmage
AFAIK, this is not true. It is true that 2 lvl 15 holy shock will give you much less damage than a lvl 30 one.

[masterazn]

Okay, but how many barbs do you see in Pub with 300+ resists and doom? None as far as I've played.


So what do you guys recommend for all my gear...the entire set up that is.

[lCE]

Still they usually have pathetic AR so hitting a barb is problematic. Aura pulses are only a threat to noobs. And if an auradin is caught in a well placed ww, its usually gg considering their lack of DR.
Really its more of a caster killer and not a good one at that.
As for gear, there is a guide , look it up it will answer most of your questions.

[masterazn]

Still they usually have pathetic AR so hitting a barb is problematic. Aura pulses are only a threat to noobs. And if an auradin is caught in a well placed ww, its usually gg considering their lack of DR.
Really its more of a caster killer and not a good one at that.
As for gear, there is a guide , look it up it will answer most of your questions.

So you're saying this build sucks? How come everyone is saying it's one of the best PvP builds...I'm confused. Obviously, you can stack resists and take close to no damage and whatnot, but how many people really have fire and lightning resistances stacked? And above that, some decent DR?

Who here has actually made an auradin like I have or similar? Any PvP experience you could share please?

[masterazn]

Toying with this idea too:

What if I changed HoJ for a doom? That would mean tri-elemental attacks from just pulses.

[[exile]]

AFAIK, nothing will change the swing speed of Charge, be it base weapon speed, IAS or otherwise. This is based on what I've read though, and not from experience, I have little to none with Chargers.

Doom would be good as a stash weapon but by no means as a primary. Not only with your Fire damage plummet, but you don't really have many skill points to play around with as it is and I doubt it would be too feasible to dump reasonable amounts of points into all three Resist auras. In any case, Doom and Dragon individually have low-level auras which deal low damage.

[lCE]

So you're saying this build sucks? How come everyone is saying it's one of the best PvP builds...I'm confused. Obviously, you can stack resists and take close to no damage and whatnot, but how many people really have fire and lightning resistances stacked? And above that, some decent DR?

Who here has actually made an auradin like I have or similar? Any PvP experience you could share please?

Sure its a good build for cleaning pubs but any experienced dueler will tear u apart. Its a fact. It used to be decent when people didnt know how to deal with it, but ive never seen an auradin who had been even remotely a threat to my barb.

[masterazn]

Okay, I just had a small discussion. I have a few more questions. Okay, I'll forget the doom then and focus on dragon + dream.

When I say PvP, I'm talking about USWest Non-Ladder trashy omg-u-n00b kind of PK. I just want something that will teach all those "uber-godly-pkers" a lesson.

Questions:

Are you guys sure synergies work on auras from items?

What weapon should I use to charge with then?

Could someone list the ideal equipment to PvP in public games with lots of trolls and stuff.

Thanks!

-masterazn