vengence

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:xmas10: is there a build around vengence or does it just suck?

[JasonBriggs]

There definately is a build around vengeance, unfortunatley, i dont know it ;P

Obvious aura of choice would be conviction, i would probabley also use a grief phase blade.

briggzy

[kingdryland]

Search for an avenger build. Skill distribution looks something like 20 to vengeance ,enough points to conviction to reach lvl 25 after gear(so you get the -150% all res cap), pump resist fire/cold/lightning for the synergy, some in holy shield. In fact skills may vary but you get the idea. Avengers are great pvm chars.

I think that +dmg mod from grief does not boost vengeance damage. Ideal weapon could be Famine perhaps,good ed and huge elemental damage.

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From what I've heard, kingdryland is right, Grief's +Damage mod won't work properly with Vengeance. I'd suggest BotD as a weapon.

[Aerwynd]

Omg... I'm not a n00b :P

I was looking through the runewords and Famine is what I want to put on my Avenger (when I build him :D )

YAY!!! I'm not a n00b anymore... wait... yes I am :P

[Aerwynd]

Ideal weapon could be Famine perhaps,good ed and huge elemental damage.

Hey kingdryland (or anyone else), let's say I got a Superior Legendary Mallet... Of course 4 sockets (for Famine)... Would the ED from the Superior stack with Famine ED?

And does anyone know how to re-roll for better stats? I've heard people talk about it, but how do you do it? Is there a Cube recipe for it, and if so, what is it?

[Tim B]

ed from superior base items does indeed stack

the only way to reroll a rune word ist tou use the socket remove recipe find the runes again and makew it again. famine has quite expensive runes so tou probably wouldn't want to do this. its mainly done with superior spirit monarchs, as the runes for spirit are quite cheap, but the base superior monarch is not so cheap.

[Aerwynd]

:thumbsup: TIM RULZ!!!

Thanks, Tim...

Yeah, you're right... Can you reroll unique items??? I heard someone say they rerolled for a Perfect [can't remember the weapon]... it's a unique weapon though...

[Pucho]

you don't want a famine legendary mallet for an avenger (unless you can have a merc w/fanaticism or playing in a party with fanat pallys)
I have to make some calcs, but I think that an "oath" weapon can do more damage than famine (and cheaper)

[Tim B]

:thumbsup: TIM RULZ!!!

well if i hade £1 every time i heard that, then my bank balance would £1 less in the red. thx man.

:thumbsup:

There's nothing you can do to a unique item to change the base stats. my understanding is that the variable stats on an item are randomly generated when it is dropped (before it is IDed) or when the last rune is inserted in the case of runewords. a perfect role is where the variable stats are the greatest possible. perfect rolled items are worth more then thier non perfect counterparts depending upon how variable the item can be. for example when making an enigma, the only variable is the +750-775def(25 different possibilities) as such the biggest factor in determining the value of an eni is the armour it is made in. A Grief however can 30-40ias and +340-400dmg (giving 10x60=600 possibilites) so only 1 out every 600 griefs could be called perfect and as such a perfect or even near perfect grief can be worth a lot mor than a mere average one.

the only items which can be rerolled to different stats are rares, but when this is done your gonna end up with a completly different rare item of the same weapon/armour/whatever type. the cube recipes to do this can be found at the arreat summit. You should really check that site out if you already havn't.

[Mammel248]

You should also take a fast weapon (Like a Scourge or Phase Blade) since you won't have Fanatism to speed you up. Vengeance DOES hit with extraordinary power, bit usually it's quite a slow attack.
I suggest Beast BA would be a very nice choice.
BotD BA makes a very good weapon as well.
Oath would make a nice choice for the rather poor (good IAS and ED).

Speedwise Beast BA is the best choice. (You can reach the last breakpoint with Highlord and Laying of Hands) Oath and BotD in BA need loads of IAS to reach the last breakpoint (152 IAS....)

Damage... I never tried a BotD BA or Beast BA, but I think BotD BA would make more damage.

Overall I think Beast BA would be the beast choice (cheaper + better than BotD BA).

[TheDarkSide]

Is there a sticky somewhere that shows Paladin Ias tables ? Im trying to figure out an Avenger using Azurwraith break points . Iv'e got a nice 35 ed / 15 ias jewl but not sure if its worth using in the sword or not ..

[Tor]

isnt vengeance capped at 9 fpa?

[TheDarkSide]

isnt vengeance capped at 9 fpa?

Im asking the questions here !!

Hehe - I dont know thats why Im asking ..

If so does Azurwraith hit 9fps as is ??

[lCE]

Actually its 8 fpa, and its not very hard to reach with a BoTD berserker either. Keeping in mind that it has over double the damage of a Beast BA, i think its the obvious choice.
Azurewrath is a terrible weapon for an avenger, it may be fast but the damage on it is downright pathetic.

[TheDarkSide]

Actually its 8 fpa, and its not very hard to reach with a BoTD berserker either. Keeping in mind that it has over double the damage of a Beast BA, i think its the obvious choice.
Azurewrath is a terrible weapon for an avenger, it may be fast but the damage on it is downright pathetic.


Ohh Im talking Hc ladder , so no beast or botd for me unfortunately . Will a Azurewrath reach 8 fpa or maybe at best I can make a Cresant moon .

[Pucho]

Ohh Im talking Hc ladder , so no beast or botd for me unfortunately . Will a Azurewrath reach 8 fpa or maybe at best I can make a Cresant moon .
Oath scourge/war spike/cryptic sword. Aim for 9fpa, you don't *need* to swing at 8 fpa to be effective. you can make it in a zerker if you manage to get 40 IAS outside the weapon.
Azurewrath needs 25 more IAS to reach 8 fpa, but the damage is really low. Same with crescent moon.

[kingdryland]

Azurewrath compensates the low damage with speed, elemental and magical damage ,the +skill and above all,its low price. It can't be compared to botd for crying out loud, of course it is outclassed. Way better than a bara star imho though.

[sirmessbu]

Since vengeance is on the spot, how does it works???


Does physical damage gets multiply by the skill and transfered in elemental damages or does elemental damage from the weapon gets multiply by the skills.

If the elemental dmg get multiply, wouldn't maxing Holyfreeze and cold resist with maxed vengeance deal great damage?

Sorry if those are stupid questions but I never used vengeance.

[Pucho]

only physical damage is multiplied by vengeance.

[Darkwell]

only physical damage is multiplied by vengeance.

Weapon physical damage. This includes on weapon % ed, min/max and off weapon min/max. Off weapon % ed, str damage boost and auras/skills are not included in calculating vengeance elem damage. One exception might be barb weapon mastery, I haven't seen this discussed before, so don't know if it does or not.

[Pucho]

Weapon physical damage. This includes on weapon % ed, min/max and off weapon min/max. Off weapon % ed, str damage boost and auras/skills are not included in calculating vengeance elem damage. One exception might be barb weapon mastery, I haven't seen this discussed before, so don't know if it does or not.

no, masteries works like auras/ off weapon %ed/str/ and don't gets multiplied by vengeance.

You are right darkwell, I wasn't clear at all. Thx for the correction:thumbsup:

[harley98]

i used a stormlash with my last avenger which worked very good. im looking at a doom berserker axe for my next one. what i like about doom is it has a lot of nice mods on it. my favorite is the -40% to -60% to enemy cold resistance. lvl 20 conviction is -125% resistance add the to together and you get -165% to -185% to enemy resistance. that should break any cold immune out there.

[Pucho]

only conviction/lower resist can break inmunities (at 1/5 the listed -%res) but if the inmmunity is broken, then the -% res from doom (or facets) will work

[lCE]

Azurewrath compensates the low damage with speed, elemental and magical damage ,the +skill and above all,its low price. It can't be compared to botd for crying out loud, of course it is outclassed. Way better than a bara star imho though.

OATH - for the price of a mal and a pul u get this "Mini-BOTD", make it in a scourge or a cryptic sword, u can have 4xx 1 handed max damage, and reach 8 fpa quite easily. This is my second weapon choice also.