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tmd turka
04-01-2006, 16:09
Hi all
Im a legit player, I dont hack, dupe, use bots, or anything similar. I am unable to get some of these high end runewords that people seem to pick up like there more common then gold. What am I doing wrong? How do yoou guys get these runes? Now i am proficient at mfing but as far as getting runewords like Beast and Grief I am lost. Is there any way for a legit player to get this stuff. Don't say "Well you can just trade for them." that does not work. Most people are smart and want better then what they are offering you in a trade. Hard to gather enough gear to convince a guy who has Beast to trade for an assortment of average runes and good uniques.
So whats the secret to getting the high end runewords?
If I have to cheat to get these items then im probably gonna just drop D2 like most of my friends who have become disenchanted with the game.
high runes actually arent that expensive right now; at least on east ladder. You should be able to trade a mules worth of perfect gems for like mal-ist, or use pgems to reroll hell-found grand charms to find skill charms with second mods. Also, just keep semi-valuable items to trade for more pgems.
To get runewords like grief, ebotdz, etc it takes a little effort. Just keep mfing places like chaos sanctuary, wsk, pits, etc and eventually something good will drop too.
The problem is, that on battle.net, there are a lot of duped high runes. If you are playing in SP, you have to make it up. You will not have Enigma or Beast anytime soon. However once in a very long time, a nice rune will drop. For example, I got Sur and Ohm in my 3years of intesive playing. I play SP. The economics on BNET is so bad, that I would have probably all runes for high runewords, if I would trade my unique wealth for them....
tmd turka
04-01-2006, 16:26
Well im on USEAST ladder and I do have a few good uniques but nothing that would get me the runewords I need. The best I have on my mf char right now are arreats face, andys mask, and maras. Too bad they are not worth a whole lot. You know whats really sad, its cheaper to make a good ww assasin then a good ww barb(sigh). Speaking of which where is a good place to find some of those elite claws?
Mara's should get you somewhere, with respect to trading.
If you play single player, you COULD do what I did. Make a 200%FCR novasorc and run the Evil Countless to get runes, cube, get more runes, cube, and eventually get HotO and CtA.
That only took me around 8k runs, but I got lucky and she dropped me a gul rune. My novasorc went from level 82 to level 91 in the process too. I used Frozen Orb as backup skill, and as main killer through NM.
tmd turka
04-01-2006, 17:42
Mara's should get you somewhere, with respect to trading.
If you play single player, you COULD do what I did. Make a 200%FCR novasorc and run the Evil Countless to get runes, cube, get more runes, cube, and eventually get HotO and CtA.
That only took me around 8k runs, but I got lucky and she dropped me a gul rune. My novasorc went from level 82 to level 91 in the process too. I used Frozen Orb as backup skill, and as main killer through NM.
Wow Im not in single player but that sounds like a pretty bad idea to me. I know im askin for advice but the countess is well...horrible. Seriously in 8000 mf runs I would have enough uniques to get me all the gear I could ever want. I was askin if there was a way to get good runes without doin 8000 runs. Better yet can someone just tell me more common items that trade for good runes. Getting maras and similar uniques I do not find difficult so what similar items can I find that are worth a good rune?
thegiantturtle
04-01-2006, 17:48
Getting maras and similar uniques I do not find difficult so what similar items can I find that are worth a good rune?Check out the Trade Values Forum or your specific realm's trade forum. Some of them have stickied price guides to guide you, and in the other's you can look at what's for trade and what is being asked for it. All trade questions should go in the appropriate threads of those forums. Good Luck!
dark shiva has a price guide that is more up to date than the stickied guide. it is in the trade values forum.
Countess runs are not a good idea on the realms, because the map changes, and you'd get R/D after ten minutes....
But in SP the map does NOT change, and can be rerolled by entering another difficulty. This way I was able to get my *average* run time down to 40 seconds! I cubed everything Io and up, and cubing Dols to Hels to be able to reroll insights, spirits and the like.
Mara value varies with realm and resists, but in the trade values forum, they know.
The only realistic way of getting HRs on the realm is to trade for them, knowing that they are likely duped. If they were not, a zod would be a LOT of ists...
tmd turka
05-01-2006, 15:08
I think my main problem is that im using a char to mf that doesnt have teleport. Im using a hamerdin to do my mf but with no enigma it prevents me from doing quick runs. Should I make a sorc and just swap my mf gear on her? The only reason I did not use a sorc is Hell has many immunities. I made a Meteor/Orb sorc but found her usless in the pits. I was thinking of making a Chain lightning/Orb sorc. Does anyone know which build is best for mf? Keep in mind im not very rich so extremely gear dependent sorcs are no good.
Cattleya
12-01-2006, 00:21
I think my main problem is that im using a char to mf that doesnt have teleport. Im using a hamerdin to do my mf but with no enigma it prevents me from doing quick runs. Should I make a sorc and just swap my mf gear on her? The only reason I did not use a sorc is Hell has many immunities. I made a Meteor/Orb sorc but found her usless in the pits. I was thinking of making a Chain lightning/Orb sorc. Does anyone know which build is best for mf? Keep in mind im not very rich so extremely gear dependent sorcs are no good.Well, I would imagine the meteor would be pretty useless in the Pit. However, Fireball and Orb work very nicely to clear it out. (Especially since the CI monsters like to clump up into the fireball radius.) The problem with CL/Orb in the pit is that orb is less effective at keeping monsters in hit recovery, and the most dangerous critters (the archers) are imune to lightning.
As for doing 8000 runs, you really have to be willing to do a ton of MF runs somewhere to really get "wealthy" in this game. It's just the nature of the game. (Of course, I have fun playing untwinked as well, where wealth is irrelevant. So wealth is not necessary for D2 fun. :) )
disallowedword
14-01-2006, 07:42
Countess runs are not a good idea on the realms, because the map changes, and you'd get R/D after ten minutes....
But in SP the map does NOT change, and can be rerolled by entering another difficulty. This way I was able to get my *average* run time down to 40 seconds! I cubed everything Io and up, and cubing Dols to Hels to be able to reroll insights, spirits and the like.
Mara value varies with realm and resists, but in the trade values forum, they know.
The only realistic way of getting HRs on the realm is to trade for them, knowing that they are likely duped. If they were not, a zod would be a LOT of ists...
How can you cube Io and up in SP, thats a ladder only formula, also spirits? Insights? all ladder only
Almost all "ladder only" items are available in SP.
The following Rune upgrade formulae will only work for Single-Player, Open, or Ladder Characters. They will not work for Normal Characters on the Realms.
3 Dol Runes + 1 Chipped Emerald = Hel Rune
3 Hel Runes + 1 Chipped Diamond = Io Rune
3 Io Runes + 1 Flawed Topaz = Lum Rune
3 Lum Runes + 1 Flawed Amethyst = Ko Rune
3 Ko Runes + 1 Flawed Sapphire = Fal Rune
3 Fal Runes + 1 Flawed Ruby = Lem Rune
3 Lem Runes + 1 Flawed Emerald = Pul Rune
2 Pul Runes + 1 Flawed Diamond = Um Rune
2 Um Runes + 1 Topaz = Mal Rune
2 Mal Runes + 1 Amethyst = Ist Rune
2 Ist Runes + 1 Sapphire = Gul Rune
2 Gul Runes + 1 Ruby = Vex Rune
2 Vex Runes + 1 Emerald = Ohm Rune
2 Ohm Runes + 1 Diamond = Lo Rune
2 Lo Runes + 1 Flawless Topaz = Sur Rune
2 Sur Runes + 1 Flawless Amethyst = Ber Rune
2 Ber Runes + 1 Flawless Sapphire = Jah Rune
2 Jah Runes + 1 Flawless Ruby = Cham Rune
2 Cham Runes + 1 Flawless Emerald = Zod Rune
tmd turka
07-07-2006, 19:47
This is an old thread but after looking at it again I have to say I was wrong about how to get high runes. I made myslef a nice bliz sorc and she is running around with about 500 mf. I collected about 4 maras and used them to trade for my grief.
After all these mf runs I came to the conclusion that getting hellforges will net you more wealth then mf runs. Its true that not every hellforge drops a good rune but when you get 4 or so forges a week you will likely net at least 2 good runes.(i don't glitch rush but im aware that its faster)
I only make untwinked builds now and most of the time its a Meteor/orb sorc.
Its funny because now the only items i look for are ones that make progressing from 1-24 faster(go go sigons set). The rest of my gear is just random drops from nightmate.
I have to do this on ladder though since I cant get those nice cube formulas . (the gul to vex formula comes to mind)
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