Hi!

[Goluf]

Hey! Glad to see people actually talk about classic. Anyway, I've got a smattering of questions which are mostly unrelated, so let's get to it.


GEAR:
I play necros mostly. Necro armor. I'm not a PVM or PvP, I just play. I have +50 life 3 res in 20's 75 poison reduce +3 dex chain mail, 17 FHR 3 res in 20's mail, and 24 FHR 2 res both 25 hard leather. Which should I be using for my bone necro, which is worth socketing, if any, and what should I socket it with?

Belt. For my bone necro, i have a 50 life 17 FHR Heavy belt with plus 8 str and 18 fire res. How good? Should I use or trade?

Gloves: Using Mfist for the mana and FCR. NOt much arguement here I guess, since FCR is essential for boners.

Boots. CAn always improve in this department I suppose. I'm currently using 2 res in high 20's 20% faster walk light boots.

Helm: Need a life circ, but im using a FHR 3 small res helm right now.

Rings: sojs. need. Can't get. Woe is me.

Ammy: using +1 skills 40 and 35 res ammy. ****ty, cant find better.

Wand: Think Im using umes lament right now. I have loads of good sorc and summoner wands, but no one plays them so i cant seem to exchange them for one thats useful for my boner.


Anyway, judge my gear.

My boner build:
Str: almost none
Dex: almost none
vit: almost all
mana: almost none

I have around 550 life, lvl 60. ROund 300 mana.

Skills: this what it looks like so far:

Spirit: maxed
Spear: close to maxed
Teeth: 17
Armor: 13 i think
Wall: round 10
Prison: round 16

I hope to get every one of them close to max by 99.

Good? Not good? how can i improve?

What are night smokes worth? nothing? give to newbs?
Is MF in the 400's good for my mfer?
How much damage is typical of a competitive PvP necro?
Benifits of playing ladder?
Finally would anyone here be interested in playing with me? I have no friends that play. I'm on USEast, account is Goluf, characters include Altar_ofmadness my boner, Brother niki my necro mule ( No im not in and never was in the clan, was my first char, didnt know there was a clan named brother then. I've caught alot of hell over that.) CutHerThroat sorc my MFer, and WepMuleXX my aspiring wep mule barb. I like to experiment with weird builds and stuff, so I dunno, I'm lonely. The role playing thing this forum sounds cool. I usually can get on for like hour thirty at 3:00. Anyone free?


Sweet christ thanks for reading and thanks in advance for responding.

[Kevin William Cox]

Hi. Welcome to Classic. (Gets Durf to break out Ancient Dillar Jar and sticks Goluf's hand in it)

Well now that that's over with. Nice to meet you. :xmas23:

First, if your gonna socket anything here you will need an SOJ. And I would go with the 17 FHR armor, for the resists. IMO.

Gloves are good. Belt too. Try and get some boots with MF (Magic Find) a good rare will spawn betters mods.

Helm, sorry guy, no circulets in Classic. I'm assumeing that's what you meant.

There are a lot benefits to playing Ladder on LOD, but not so many here. Just seeing your name on the ladder is all. LOD gives a few more Runewords than Non-Ladder. And 400% MF is good anywhere.

Check and see if your playing Exspansion or Classic. The advice given will be different. If you are playing Exspansion, I suggest the Community Forum or the Newbe Forum.

Hope this helped.

Kev

[Goluf]

Hey and thanks.

I do play classic. I don't like Xpac.

When I say circs im refering to any godly bone/grim helm with good def with life and res or mana and res.

If or when I can get some sojs, should i soccket the 17 FHR armor with a P diamnond or P Ruby? It only really lacks life, but more res couldnt hurt.

Is my build any good? Im pretty sure its a standard boner, but i was just checkin.

[fredsta54]

I would remake if i were you

U should have base energy, and you have points into bone armour. (bwall + bprison give more protection to bone armor than actual points to bone armour, and they synergise teeth//spirit//spear)






Fred

[purplelocust]

I would remake if i were you
U should have base energy, and you have points into bone armour. (bwall + bprison give more protection to bone armor than actual points to bone armour, and they synergise teeth//spirit//spear)
Fred
I agree- 13 points in Bone Armor was unwise. Take a look at the way that the synergies work with Bone Armor from this Arreat summit link (http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/skills/necromancer-poison.shtml).

Bone Armor gives 20 absorbtion at level 1 + 10 additional for each point in Bone Armor. But each point in Bone Wall or Bone Prison gives 15 additional damage absorbtion, so those are a much better investment.

For example, with your current setup 13/10/16 of BA/BW/BP you get 140 from Bone Armor + 26*15 from the synergies, giving 530, assuming no +skills. With +skills, you'll get an additional 10 for each plus skill, since +skills do not affect the synergies.

For the same number of points, you could do 1/20/19 for BA/BW/BP, giving 20 base + 39*15 from the synergies, which is 605 damage absorbed, again assuming no +skills. Again, you'll get an additional 10 for each plus skill, since +skills do not affect the synergies.

So it doesn't make sense to put anything more than 1 point in Bone Armor just on absorbtion grounds. Furthermore, the mana cost goes up with Bone Armor and so the 1/20/19 strategy costs only 3 mana to cast, versus 9 for your current 13/10/16.

Since Bone Spirit and Bone Spear, the attacking bone spells, get the same synergy benefit from any of BA/BW/BP, it doesn't make a difference there so it may be worth considering rebuilding your character to be more effective.

Maxing all the Bone Skills won't be feasible since leveling beyond 85 gets worse and worse, so the question is which bone skills not to max. I prefer going for maxing Spirit, Spear, Wall and Prison and just having 1 in Teeth and Armor. I'm not much of a fan of Teeth but I know there are some who like maxing it (Dentists). I would rather make sure that my curse portfolio is pretty complete than put anything more than 1 point into Armor or Teeth.

[Noite Escura]

I have around 550 life, lvl 60. ROund 300 mana.

Skills: this what it looks like so far:

Spirit: maxed
Spear: close to maxed
Teeth: 17
Armor: 13 i think
Wall: round 10
Prison: round 16


Are you counting + skill in this? Because you skill sum isn't real:
20+
(let's say) 18+
17+
13+
10+
16=94. You need to be at least level 83 to reach that, but you say you're level 60. Even counting +3 to all numbers you're far from that mark

[purplelocust]

Are you counting + skill in this? Because you skill sum isn't real:
20+
(let's say) 18+
17+
13+
10+
16=94. You need to be at least level 83 to reach that, but you say you're level 60. Even counting +3 to all numbers you're far from that mark
Well spotted- I think that it is likely the case that Goluf was reporting skill levels after +skills from gear, maybe a +2 necro skills wand with a couple of +individual skills as well, Wormskull, an amulet and Sigon's Shield. Remember that for the synergy bonuses, only the "hard" skill points (those you actually clicked on, the numbers that appear in white when you aren't wearing any +skills gear) affect the synergies, so usually people describe their skill levels in terms of the hard points, not their levels after skills.

[Goluf]

That stuff was an innacurate estimate. I have since played on him. Heres how it is in hard points:

Teeth:10
CE:2
Spear:15
Spirit:20
Prison:5
Wall:4
Armor:14

level 61

and i have 750 life not 550.

So this is definetly a case of altar_ofmadness round 2 you think?

[Taft12]

should i soccket the 17 FHR armor with a P diamnond or P Ruby? It only really lacks life, but more res couldnt hurt.

DOOON'T socket an armor with a diamond whatever you do!!! (unless you really, really need some AR ;) )

[Goluf]

lol i thot diamonds added res...my bad

[LukeJames]

Man, if diamonds added resistance to armor then we could have some dream armors floating around. Gems add the same modification to armor as they do to helmet, so since diamonds give Attack Rating in helmets..etc