PvP WW Barb Guide

[EliteIceCold]

First of all, Ershin is my barb...not the best, definitly not the worst

well let's get started. Since this is a V. All guide, whirlwind will be your friend

The items can be tweaked around depending on how rich you are, but the weapon SHOULD NOT EVER CHANGE! GRIEF BERSERKER AXE IS YOUR FRIEND

let's get to the stats first!

Stats:
Str: NOTHING
Dex: Max Block with the "preferred gears"
Vit: EVERYTHING LAST BIT OF POINTS!
Energy: You have to be a retarded person to even look here...

Gears:
Helm: The BEST possible ED Arreats you can afford, (glitched, upped, whatever you like, i like my 200/6 1.0 40-15 ias jeweled Arreats )
Armor: Lowest Str enigma can you find (no Breast plate, they're ugly)
Amulet: Fiend Sunder
Rings: 2x Perfect Ravenfrost
Primary Weapon: Grief Zerker (at LEAST 34 IAS and +380 damage)
Weapon 2 (to replace shield if vs casters): Beast Zerker (As best stats as you can get)
Shields: Stormshield (DR, good block, what else can you ask for?) ber/um/40-15 MAX it (i keep 3 of these in my stash depending on dueling who) 160 Light Resist Shield
Onswitch: 2x 40 resist hoto (for BO, and FCR)
Gloves: Steelrends (Stats doesn't really matter, since enigma boasts your str anyway)
Boots: Upped Gores (High def, no questsions asked)
Belt: 40-15 Dungo, T-Gods, Snowclash, Arachnid (depending on dueling who )

Inventory:
36x32020s
1x 15+/17+ torch
1x 15+/20/x Anni
1x PSN Small Charm (I prefer PSN with resist, but 290s work as well)

Stats:
1 in ALL Pre-Requisites
20 in Whirlwind
20 in Axe Mastery
20 in Battle Orders
20 in Shout (You are BVA'ing, shout = more def for your pary members)
All Remaining points should go in Iron Skin or Natural Resistance (depending on what you are lacking more of...)
1 in Berserk (damn Physical Immunes in PVM)

Dueling Strategies:
WW Barbs: Just ww away, try to ww at the END of their WWs. Most pub barbs now-a-day either dual wield Grief + beast or BOTD + beast. Your shield + Grief > them.
Conc barbs: WW them if you wanna BM, they're mostly gonna cry
Warcry barbs: I personally find these as a joke, ww them them, your 30 fhr from arreats will be enough

Blizz Sorcs: In this case, pull out a beast, slap on a Snowclash if you wanna sorb or a arachnid for the fcr, try to chase them down and ww away. If they start casting blizz on themselves, just tele NEXT to the blizz and ww across the ww and pray the blizz doesn't hit you. or you can be cheap, hire a Bow merc, give her 120-45, 16060 and WF/Faith to shoot the **** out of her while tele'ing around with 2xhoto + arachnid (100 FCR)
Light Sorcs: Slap on either a Wizzie or that 160 light resist shield along with a tgod, sorb them and ww. GFG
Fb Sorc: Can anybody say hotspur?

Trappers: 160 Light Shield, Tgods, Tele NEXT to them and WW away.
WW-Sin: you are a natural WW-er, if you lose to them, than i am sorry, go jump off a bridge please...
Martial Art Sins: Don't have any strategies on this yet, cause i havn't been able to come across one.

Ele druids: keep that 40-15 max SS on, just tele BEHIND them and ww. Kill the oak if you can, but it really doesn't make a difference IMHO.
Fury Druids: ww away, up to date, only 1 fury druid beat me in a pub game T___T

Bowazons: No matter how fast they shoot, no matter how fast they run, just make sure you land ONE poison hit against them. it should take a crap load of life away from them. Slap on a "Elemental-Aura" Weapon to finish them off ;). If that doesn't work, go back to 40-15 max ss and short-ww them to death!
Cs-zons: damn, these guys are freaking nice. High Light Damage, take out the 160 shield again and tgods, LONG-ww them and try to make them chase you. after a bit of chasing, tele behind and ww. Repeat

Bone Necros: havn't seen a pub one anymore, so I don't have any strategies against them yet. From 1.1, All i had to do was slap on Wizzie + BOTD (when greif was still on ladder) and try to chase them down. I still havn't figured out a good strategy against them yet, I lost quite a bit to these people. if somebody has a good strategy, please correct me
Summon Necros: Beast + Greif = your friend. if they bm and life tap you, time to bm them back by getting an act 2 merc (with holy freeze or might) and TELE on the necro. While you WW, prey the merc will hit the necro
Poison Necros: Jokes man, chase + WW them away

Hammerdins: beast + Greif = gg. If you are still losing to them, make sure you ww them from the south. If they're dysnching, go make RANDOM ww and hope he gets hit :P
Foh-dins: Sorb = gfg to them?
Zealers: your WW is stronger than their zeal.
Smiters: WW is still better. Regardless of what people say, if you know how to ww properly, you can beat them. First of all when they smite, they'll be holding down shift, and locking down your name. tele behind and do a long but quick whirlwind to get out of stun (the 5 second thing) and than repeat. Some PVP smiters WILL kick your ***, but don't feel bad, eventually somebody will figure out a barb vs smite garentee win strategy against them

I think this is it, Any comments or questions? Leave me a reply

[richo]

srry to say it but learn about barbs :xmas2:

bvc = barb vs caster
stats:
strenght: base
dex: base
vita: all

skills:
ww: max
bo: max
bc: 1 lvl
mastery: max
leap: lvl 17

bva = barb vs all
stats:
strenght: enough for all gear
dex: max block storm
vita: rest

skill:
ww: max
bo: max
shout: max
ct: 1
mastery: max
leap: lvl 17


bvb = barb vs barb
stats:
strenght: enough for all gear (depending on youre build)
dex: max block storm
vita: rest

skills:
ww: max
bo: max
shout: max
bc: 1
mastery: max
iron skin: max

you made yourself a bvb m8, not a bva.
bva is al round so he needs lvl 17 leap for the area stun and then tele ww on casters
bvb does not need it but does not need eni/beast any other anti caster gear as they are build vs barbs/other melee chars

and about the shield oh plz 40/15 ed/max = bugged for long time now...
anyway putting in youre guide 40/15/32020/290/duped amulets is not a real good way to make it good

just put ed/max max/ar/life charms and a good baba amulet it will be more appreciated here also. and have a forti in stash for bvb duels you gonna need it

warcry barbs are not a joke more like on of the ultimate mageslayers (Ww-sin/kicker etc)

and you have enigma + verdungo + storm ber equiped? thats like 66% dmg reduce and youre capped at 50% dr so the storm ber is already useles....

i hope this helps when you update it :xmas1:

[Halciet]

Aye, some things could definately warrant improvement. Dracul's are the best gloves for PvP, thanks to the huge Open Wounds that they grant. Similarly, if you're planning to BvA, you should definately work on getting Leap as high as you can, to use it's AoE stun against casters. Judging from your other post stating that "leap sux," I suggest you try using it some so you see just how powerful it is :)

Also, you'll need angelics for fighting other barbs, and the amulet should be switched out for Highlord's when going against caster's (huge DS). Speaking of amulets - you're technically not allowed to suggest the use of duped equipment on the forums, but I'll let it slide :xmas30:

-Hal

[mastermind]

if making a BvC you can add some points to str like 10-20 so it make u a bit more flexible with armour switching, i.e so u can maybe switch in a fortitude armour for more dmg or something.

Also as a BvA i decided to max shoult but it came at the cost of a crappy leap lvl and leap is very powerfull especially vs casters

but his is the deciding point of the build in my oppinion, if u decide to go more mele then you can max shout, however if u want to be better at caster dueling u need leap.

I think you need like lvl 15 leap for a full screen kb at resolutions of 640 x 480 and lvl 18 or 19 for resultions of 800 x 600

Also charms wise i would think about mentioning just sharp charms with life as not everyone can afford max dmg/ar/life charms. Or a few charms with it recovery and a good secondary mods, sharp charms with max dmg or even plain life charms, possibly with res.

Against trappers a light shield is not needed all u really need is a tg and max light res, if ur strapped for res u can stick on a kira helm which gives huge res and a little stack. Also doom is a good weapon vs a trapper as i find most trappers tend to use Burst of speed and run arround their traps, so a doom wil help slow + tele will deal with this

Agaist ele druids the best setup is this
CoA 2x Ber
Grief or BOTD+Beast
Verdungos
Enigma
draculs
gores
angelic combo
2X Doom on switch (not neccessary but helps il explain why)

This setup will give you max dr which is needed against any half decent Windy also duelwieling will help u kill alot quicker than shield, even though tornado can be blocked, the shield will ristrict ur dmg alot as u lose the ability of 2 weaps hitting the target.

The whole idea is u want o take out the windy in 1 big move as with the shield it will draw out the duel longer than neccesary and it will give the windy a chance to recover a resummon the oake sage.

now the 2 dooms on switch can be good against minnion stack as the holy freeze dmg can pulse and kill the minnions including the oak due to the amount of res the 2 dooms lower and the high lvl aura (lvl 32 holy freeze)


Als an easier option to take on a hammerdin would to be use a widowmaker, this can be used to activate thing like open wounds and life tap bu using GA.
Also other bonuses of Widow maker is that if u prebuff with venom u can do nasty psn dmg.

I also recomend this equip for this duel;

grief or botd +best
on switch Widowmaker
arreat
verdungos or ow belt
gores
fortitude (for more pysical dmg on GA)
or
Durress (For a high chance of casting OW)
draculs
angelic combo or 2x raven + highlords for the good ar and high deadly strike

EDIT

Foh can be problematic so idealy u need a kira helm a tg and a treachery prebuff to counter the conviction

[morotsjos]

No highlords, no dracs, no leap, poisoncharm, 160 shield vs trappers/sorcs, storm vs druids, wiz vs necs etc etc. Weak.

Dont make a guide when you dont know anything. Like barbs would need absorb to kill elemental chars zzzzzz....

[Ce Olba]

No highlords, no dracs, no leap, poisoncharm, 160 shield vs trappers/sorcs, storm vs druids, wiz vs necs etc etc. Weak.

Dont make a guide when you dont know anything. Like barbs would need absorb to kill elemental chars zzzzzz....

U forgot teleing with dual wizzies and the usage of a Bow Merc. This guy know NOTHING at all:

1. How u plan to beat a 20k def barb with your 15k def?
2. How u plan to kill anything with always either using a shield or crappy off-hand weapon?
3. How u plan to carry around all that stuff?
4. Why a poison charm? The dmg is too small to make the enemy get more poison resi.
5. Why max blocking but no str?
6. Why u write something that has only false info in it?
7. Why would a Summoner necro cast LIFETAP?
8. Why would a Smiter ONLY Shift+Smite?
9. Why poison necs are "jokes man" ? I've seen a few very good ones.
10. Why u have a 40/15 ed/max jewel? it's bugged ...

And lol, suggesting sorb against anything that's elemental. Personally on my BvC i only use tgod versus a very few lightning sorcs, mainly ones with 47k-50k dmg to cut it down a little. And also, Ravenfrosts, well, i always use them due to the fact that i do not have fcr rings with mana.

Also, on the strategy part, a few are missing or have VERY false strategies, or none at all (just take a look at the WWsin strategy).

And why does this guy suggest jumping off a bridge? That has nothing to do with Diablo, and also, it's VERY bad humour.

[Godly ownage]

ummmm. enigma is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad 4 a pvp barb..

BEST AMROR- AP FORT (OOOOOOH YEAH)
not only it gives u ed and fa but res etc.

[Ce Olba]

ummmm. enigma is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad 4 a pvp barb..

BEST AMROR- AP FORT (OOOOOOH YEAH)
not only it gives u ed and fa but res etc.

Please, catch a 200 fcr fb sorc while wearing a forti ap. Of course you can always carry an enigma in your stash, but you will end up wearing the enigma more than forti, since forti is only needed versus hammerdins and smiters, and not even those. for bvb forti>enigma, but who was talking about bvb?

[morotsjos]

ummmm. enigma is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad 4 a pvp barb..

BEST AMROR- AP FORT (OOOOOOH YEAH)
not only it gives u ed and fa but res etc.
yes, res on fort is so damn useful, especially vs sorcs!!! that way you can run after them even longer before you die!!!

your ****ty fortbarb does well vs necs i bet.

[Terenas]

Amulet: Fiend Sunder
Hmmm. Every time I see an item name I do not recognize as set or unique, I am kinda *hmmm*.
It reminds me those Dual Leech/all res/str/dex/life rings...
Inventory:
36x32020s 36? I see.

By the way, [OT] I use some max/ar sc to boost my damage, do you think it is possible to cube some max/ar sc with some degree of success ? Thx

[De4dEyE]

ummmm. enigma is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad 4 a pvp barb..

BEST AMROR- AP FORT (OOOOOOH YEAH)
not only it gives u ed and fa but res etc.

LOL. I hope you're trolling.

[morotsjos]

LOL. I hope you're trolling.
i bet he isn't.

[Jimmy Hendrixx]

Gears:
Amulet: Fiend Sunder
Rings: 2x Perfect Ravenfrost
Gloves: Steelrends (Stats doesn't really matter, since enigma boasts your str anyway)
Boots: Upped Gores (High def, no questsions asked)

Stats:
1 in ALL Pre-Requisites
20 in Whirlwind
20 in Axe Mastery
20 in Battle Orders
20 in Shout (You are BVA'ing, shout = more def for your pary members)
All Remaining points should go in Iron Skin or Natural Resistance (depending on what you are lacking more of...)
1 in Berserk (damn Physical Immunes in PVM)



Umm why wouldnt u use angelics? or what im using are two godly rare rings and why not drac golves?






Arent u saposed to max leap for stun?

[Muisee]

im making a bvb barb bassed on what you people said and so far its looks decent but how high does dex really have to be at? i dont know what max storm block means in amount of dex. and if i dont have all p res becuase i may have put in to many skills for iron skin (15 & im lvl 80)

[NoisemakerArrow]

There's a formula for blocking on the Arreat Summit and also in the Facts & Formulae Compendium.

You should socket the Stormshield with Eld to save stats. Remember to include the 20 dexterity from Arreat's and the 10 from Angelics in your calculations.

BVBs won't have good resists anyway, since they're meant to fight Barbarians, so you don't have to worry about that.

I don't think you'd need Increased Speed & Stamina for BVB, so you can use those points for Iron Skin. You can also save a point on Berserk. You should leave Iron Skin for now and max all the other skills first.

Use a skill planner to figure out what you want your character to look like, then ask more questions.

Edit: And, of course, what the original poster wrote is utter nonsense.

[mainaman]

There's a formula for blocking on the Arreat Summit and also in the Facts & Formulae Compendium.

You should socket the Stormshield with Eld to save stats. Remember to include the 20 dexterity from Arreat's and the 10 from Angelics in your calculations.

BVBs won't have good resists anyway, since they're meant to fight Barbarians, so you don't have to worry about that.

I don't think you'd need Increased Speed & Stamina for BVB, so you can use those points for Iron Skin. You can also save a point on Berserk. You should leave Iron Skin for now and max all the other skills first.

Use a skill planner to figure out what you want your character to look like, then ask more questions.

Edit: And, of course, what the original poster wrote is utter nonsense.
Initially I thought this is another bvc, guide and then I read the posts and I realize thats oooold, like some of thememebers were banned a ear ago ...
if you want good bvc guide chack here:
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608622

[NoisemakerArrow]

He was asking about a BVB. I haven't made one, so I'm just basing my recommendations on my BVA and what I know about BVBs.

[Muisee]

There's a formula for blocking on the Arreat Summit and also in the Facts & Formulae Compendium.

You should socket the Stormshield with Eld to save stats. Remember to include the 20 dexterity from Arreat's and the 10 from Angelics in your calculations.

BVBs won't have good resists anyway, since they're meant to fight Barbarians, so you don't have to worry about that.

I don't think you'd need Increased Speed & Stamina for BVB, so you can use those points for Iron Skin. You can also save a point on Berserk. You should leave Iron Skin for now and max all the other skills first.

Use a skill planner to figure out what you want your character to look like, then ask more questions.

Edit: And, of course, what the original poster wrote is utter nonsense.

Thank you, finally some Real advice