WW vs. FRENZY

[UberFaith]

Hi all, I am starting another barb (again). However, I can not decide which is a better route: WW or FRENZY. I know they both have their pros and cons. Here is some information on what I am going to be using on this barb. He has an EBOTD Zerker and a BEAST Zerker. Along with Arreats and Fortitude. For all around play (meaning: baal runs, team uber treo, ect...) which would be better: WW or FRENZY. I would love any input and the reasons why you think one is better than the other. Thanks a bunch!

[Taz]

Frenzy:
- can pack more punch vs bosses or small packs of strong foes as it can employ weapons like death or last wish (cb) which are not best suited for ww.
- ctc thingies like life tap that work with frenzy and not with ww
Those advantages become more obvious as the strength of the foes increases, namely uber tristam and their leutenants.

WW:
- has the best dmg output over time and the best solution when dealing with large mobs which situation represents about 90% of the time.
- in baalruns attak speed isn`t slowed by decrepify
- can offer an escape from a nasty situation (surrounded)

I curently play a frenzy barb with death/beast which can solo trist but with 1 skill point in ww takes better on large mobs than with maxed frenzy even with death like weapon which doesn`t hit last ww bp. With botd/beast and 1 sk point ww it will surely do better with ww and less better with frenzy.
Conclusion: frenzy maxed and 1 point in ww.

[UberFaith]

Ok, thank you very much for your input. That really made a lot of sense. Come to think of it, ww doesnt add a lot of +dmg from the skill considering that it starts out lowering damage. So by only putting 1 point into it (some +skill items raising that) will allow me to fight against large numbers and use the maxed frenzy to take on the bosses. I think this will work out great. Thank you again!

[Omikron8]

WW:

absolute garbage without the best of runeword weapons, heaps of AR, deadly strike, CB, etc.

Frenzy:

much more realistic and effective in hell with poor-average price weapons such as death cleaver or razor's edge or azurewrath, the ability to trigger chance to cast effects is very useful with items like stormlash

[mastermind]

frenzy is good but Whirlwind is better due to the fact it is good for mob control.

Also u can still have a good whirlwind with not so good weaps, i.e the mentioning of that death cleaver is a good weapon for a whirlwind char as it can hit Whirlwind last break point and does nice dmg also i find whirlwind kills faster. Also a Oath and razor's edge axes are other good weapons which hit last whirlwind breakpoint while still giving nice dmg and is pretty cheap as well.

Basically once u can increase the attack speed on the base weapon i.e it alread has it or u shael it up ur Whirlwind will own.

The problems with Whirlwind is u can not cast things like lifetap and Whirlwind is a rubbish attack for ubers as it take to much mana and the ubers are hard to leech due to the fact that Whirlwind is very mana consuming.

If ur interested in dueling then realisticly the only way to go is Whirlwind frenzy is not good at all for dueling

[barttange]

So a serious advantage to frenzy is that it has a chance to life tap (with vampiric ofc). Doesn't frenzy do magical damage and will that work with lifetap. I always though it didn't.

[Halciet]

Doesn't frenzy do magical damage and will that work with lifetap.
You're thinking about berserk.

-Hal

[Omikron8]

A portion of frenzy can be converted to magical damage by synergizing with berserk but that is a waste of skill pts

double swing is a much better frenzy synergy

[Ash Housewares]

theres alot of people in this thread who need to get avatars

as mentioned

life tap/static field/amp dmg
lower mana cost
value of non-weapon ias, fanaticism
higher dmg/ar bonus
greater weapon versatility

make frenzy better for pvm IMO - I don't even put a point in WW, but WW is better pvp and has it's advantages particularly when frozen/decrepifyed

[Taz]

theres alot of people in this thread who need to get avatars


Now, that`s an issue! Maybe you could help. I`ll send u a PM.

[Ash Housewares]

I am truly amateur at making avatars, I just use paint

[Dyn]

You can always search google for some if you do not use a Photodesign Programe.

[Taz]

I am truly amateur at making avatars, I just use paint
Well "Paint" was the magic word. :xmas10:

[Sphinxman]

Hi..

I played a Frenzy Swordsman Last Ladder.. Eth BOTD CB, ETH OATH BB..was ok

This Ladder I am playing a WW Swordsman ETH BOTD CB, ETH OATH BB.. and is going good at level 89..(going for a better RW.. maybe Lastwish or something)

So I think its what's your fancy.... the only downfall to Frenzy.. can't get out of a trapped on locked in situation.. like stated by others..

*Sphinxman3

Remember to get a might merc... mine adds about 1200 total damage to WW at lvl 89

[Sphinxman]

Hi..

I played a Frenzy Swordsman Last Ladder.. Eth BOTD CB, ETH OATH BB..was ok

This Ladder I am playing a WW Swordsman ETH BOTD CB, ETH OATH BB.. and is going good at level 89..(going for a better RW.. maybe Lastwish or something)

So I think its what's your fancy.... the only downfall to Frenzy.. can't get out of a trapped on locked in situation.. like stated by others..

*Sphinxman3

Remember to get a might merc... mine adds about 1200 total damage to WW at lvl 89

[Ash Housewares]

when I get trapped I warcry and leap out