Lld

[zrk]

Since the other lld topic seems to be dead and reviving it usually doesnt cut the trick, ill post a new one. Ill post my 2 LLD chars here to start it off. Both do pretty well:

lvl 12 charger:

uses a 20-94 damage pike, angelic amulet and rings and armour, rest is sigons.
skill points: 1 charge, 1 smite, rest might.
Pulls off 133-625 damage per charge.

lvl 13 zealer:

uses full deaths set, sigons boots and helm and shield, angelic amulet rings and armour.
skill points: 2 zeal, 1 might, rest sacrifice.
Pulls off around 65-135 damage per hit (zeal is 5 hit in total)



The zealer is great when your opponent is actually fighting back, because he has 3 resists maxed and a high lightning resist, also 69% block.

The charger however is better against the peeps that attempt to run back to the safeness of the rogue encampment.

What LLD chars do you guys like and which one of mine would you prefer? Advice would also be nice (as in how to tune my chars).

PS: does anyone here play Europe Ladder? Would be nice to duel with other actual LLD chars.

[LukeJames]

Low Level Freeze-Zealot
Oldie but a goodie

Gear
Head: 3 Perfect Ruby Crown
Shield: 3 Perfect Diamond Shield or Ward Gothic Shield, *Swordback
Weapon : Generals Tan Do Li Ga
Rings : Angelic Halos
Ammulet : Angelic Wings
Boots : Treads of the Cython, *Goblin Toe
Gloves : Death hand
Belt : Death Sash

Skill Allocation
Sacrafice ~ 1
Zeal ~ 4
Cold Resist ~ As much as you can until level 18.
Holy Freeze ~ Everything you can pump in before hitting level cap.

Obviously get enough strength and dexterity for your gear then pour everything you can into vitality. My lvl. 25 freezer has 662 life, (72/72/72/75) resists and 1099 Attack Rating. They don't kill as fast as a charger but they can block chargers and whip them into minced meat. You can kill anything under lvl. 30 with this build except for smiters, there is no way you can kill a good smiter as you need to get close but as soon as you do he will smack you away.

[Akukami]

Here are some of my favorite LLDs:

-=Level 15 Summoner=-
Helm: Tarnhelm
Weapon: Magic +3 Raise Skeleton, +3 Skeleton Mastery, +1 Iron Maiden Wand
Shield: Sigon's Guard
Armor: Anglic Mantle
Gloves: Sigon's Gage
Boots: Treads of Cthon
Belt: Death's Guard
Amulet: Anglic Wings
Rings: Angelic Halo x 2

-=Level 15 Sigs Zealer=-
Helm: Sigon's Visor
Weapon: Rare War Hammer
Shield: Sigon's Guard
Armor: Sigon's Shelter
Gloves: Sigon's Gage
Boots: Sigon's Sabot
Belt: Sigon's Wrap
Amulet: Anglic Wings
Rings: Angelic Halo x 2

-=Level 16 Charger=-
Helm: Tarnhelm
Weapon: Rare Pike / Clegaw's Tooth
Shield: none / Clegaw's Claw
Armor: Twitchthroe
Gloves: Clegaw's Pincers
Boots: Treads of Cthon
Belt: Death's Guard
Amulet: Anglic Wings
Rings: Angelic Halo x 2

-=Level 18 Hammerdin=-
Helm: Tarnhelm
Weapon: Magic +3 Blessed Hammers, +3 Concentration Scepter
Shield: Steelclash
Armor: Twitchthroe
Gloves: Death's Hand
Boots: Treads of Cthon
Belt: Death's Guard
Amulet: The Eye of Etlich
Rings: Rare FCR, Resist Rings x 2

Too lazy to put skills points up. For attributes, just remember to put the rest to Vit after pumping Str and Dex so you can use your gear

- Akukami

[LukeJames]

Wow, I've tried most low level dueler builds.
But a sigon zealer? Interesting idea, it would have proper AR/RES/LIFE.

I like the cut of your jib.

[fredsta54]

My 2 favourite lld's-

lvl 17 cleg zealer

clegs shield + sword
deaths combo
Twitch
angelics
treads of cthon
duskdeep

4 zeal
1 might
rest to sacrifice


Lvl 25 throw baba
2X 15ed harpoons
twitch
deaths combo
angelics
treads of cthon
duskdeep

1 double throw
1 mastery
2 bo
2 inc speed
Rest doubleswing













Fred

[LukeJames]

I love LLD discussions, it warms my heart to know there are actually killer builds I can make in less than a day which I can afford for once. I feel like trying either the Cleglaw Zealot or the Sigon Zealot.

[MegaVovaN]

I never been to LLD but I'm rolling skiller GC and getting some nice LLD GCs...7 max dmg, 70 ar, 19 life, lvl 21 i thin, req - all on same GC!

btw If I ever go to LLD, I'm gonna socket everything with flawless or P rubies ;)

[Zodijackyl]

I never been to LLD but I'm rolling skiller GC and getting some nice LLD GCs...7 max dmg, 70 ar, 19 life, lvl 21 i thin, req - all on same GC!

btw If I ever go to LLD, I'm gonna socket everything with flawless or P rubies ;)

Go back to xpac.

[hiroshimana]

as u may c ive come agresive in some post cuze im starting to get wit the aight ppl like the #1 in the east ladd CoF and his friends osi DCoF etc and i no stuff but the bad thing is u cant learn bout weak stuff from this guy so i was wondering since i wanna chill out from CS's clan battle etc wats teh best lld dueler in ur opinion at the end ill say which i think could go better and ill make it and kick other LLD's azz(the only thing i no its biggins the best 4 LLD pallys :P)


damn dacar how u no im Latin blood ya if im hard 2 folow u ask me wat u dont understand and i did a new thread cuze is a different point of view of lld.

[zrk]

Hmm... everyone here seems to like using pikes on your chargers. But ive discovered that great mauls are a lot better. Their average damage is higher and their damage is more "stable" (you pike users know what i mean). The only problem about them that i can see is the high str requirement.

[LukeJames]

Hmm... everyone here seems to like using pikes on your chargers. But ive discovered that great mauls are a lot better. Their average damage is higher and their damage is more "stable" (you pike users know what i mean). The only problem about them that i can see is the high str requirement.

I only ever saw one LLD user using one of the great mauls, I must say I was fairly impressed. It was around 114 damage, lvl. 13 requirements and of course the dreadful 99 strength requirements. However, finding good great mauls is very, very hard to do.

[Akukami]

Hmm... everyone here seems to like using pikes on your chargers. But ive discovered that great mauls are a lot better. Their average damage is higher and their damage is more "stable" (you pike users know what i mean). The only problem about them that i can see is the high str requirement.

Pikes have range, so you can poke your opponents from afar. Great Mauls are nice, too, but ones with low level reqs are hard to find. Unless you want to waste an imbue, of course....

- Akukami

[Immortality]

Xey was using his friend's lvl 29 lld. And Omg did it own. It was a charger that used that... mm the other unique maul(not bonesnap). It could defeat some lvl 40-50's with ease.

Freaken awesome

[Akukami]

Xey was using his friend's lvl 29 lld. And Omg did it own. It was a charger that used that... mm the other unique maul(not bonesnap). It could defeat some lvl 40-50's with ease.

Freaken awesome

Steeldriver.

- Akukami

[Immortality]

Steeldriver.

- Akukami

Yeah, thats it.

[LukeJames]

I tried the Sigon Zealot, piece of crap. Although it has fairly nice block and live-able resists, it lacks in IAS majorly, not to mention warhammers are a range of 1 which makes it a slow low-ranged zealer, not exactly what I would call useful.

I give the build a 1/5, giving it a one because I like the look of it.

[Akukami]

I tried the Sigon Zealot, piece of crap. Although it has fairly nice block and live-able resists, it lacks in IAS majorly, not to mention warhammers are a range of 1 which makes it a slow low-ranged zealer, not exactly what I would call useful.

I give the build a 1/5, giving it a one because I like the look of it.

Lol, is the character crap, or is the user...well, crap? :xmas10:

On a side note, you have to have a high damage War Hammer with cold attack on it. Personally, I don't have it on mine, and I manage to get by without it.

- Akukami

[LukeJames]

No I really doubt I'm crap, at high-level dueling probably but not for low level dueling I've been doing it since I began. Anyways, another thing I noticed is you have your piker wearing a twitch, why?

[fredsta54]

sigon zeelerz blowc make clegs zealer it owns ; often killing low lvls in 1 zeal






Fred

[Akukami]

No I really doubt I'm crap, at high-level dueling probably but not for low level dueling I've been doing it since I began. Anyways, another thing I noticed is you have your piker wearing a twitch, why?

Why not?

- Akukami

[LukeJames]

I don't know, I suppose I was always a fan of angelic mantle for pike chargers, 50 FR / 50 MANA / 1 SKILL really pay off for a low level. The mana helps very much so even if not neccessary.

[Zodijackyl]

OK, here's my fun LLD guide.

Steeldriver Zealot!
Level 29-35, depending on preference
Use as high of a steeldriver as possible, preferably a perfect 250ed.
Deaths sash+gloves: Can't be frozen, the same IAS as Sigs, but leaves helm open.
Goblin toes.
Twitch OR Rattlecage, depending on preference
3soc ruby helm, or tarnhelm, depending on preference.
Rings + Ammy: choose from the following:
-Angelics combo
-Rare +1pal ammy, min/stats, pris/res (all preference/availability) & min/stat/AR/res rings (I have a few nice ones, 5min 8/8 and AR/res)
-Eye + whatever rings (adds cold damage)

For stats, add to zeal as much as you want, try to get as many points in conc as you can, then add to sacrifice. One to smite+charge is nice for movement.

NOTE: This LLD is strictly for fun, and I do not advocate the competetive use of two-handed maul zealots.

[LukeJames]

God, I have alll the gear in-place for the cleglaw build and am ready to start. The problem is after I xfered all my stuff, Diablo II kicked me out and temporarily disconnected me from the realm. I got kicked off at 10PM EST and it is now 8:30AM EST, this is getting unbearable why do these things last so long?

[fredsta54]

OK, here's my fun LLD guide.

Steeldriver Zealot!
Level 29-35, depending on preference
Use as high of a steeldriver as possible, preferably a perfect 250ed.
Deaths sash+gloves: Can't be frozen, the same IAS as Sigs, but leaves helm open.
Goblin toes.
Twitch OR Rattlecage, depending on preference
3soc ruby helm, or tarnhelm, depending on preference.
Rings + Ammy: choose from the following:
-Angelics combo
-Rare +1pal ammy, min/stats, pris/res (all preference/availability) & min/stat/AR/res rings (I have a few nice ones, 5min 8/8 and AR/res)
-Eye + whatever rings (adds cold damage)

For stats, add to zeal as much as you want, try to get as many points in conc as you can, then add to sacrifice. One to smite+charge is nice for movement.

NOTE: This LLD is strictly for fun, and I do not advocate the competetive use of two-handed maul zealots.


If you are going to lvl above 30 then you want fantasicm. Somehow i dont c zealing w/ a great maul being viable. 2 slow even with the 40 ias on the weapon





Fred

[earthrug]

low level chargers are fun. I like IRATHA set, treds, hawkmail with a decent damage pike.

[WarlockCC]

A maul definately works very nice on a level 12 charger. Mine does only 895-1449 per hit, which is reasonable at that level.

I consider level 9-17 low, 18-29 medium and anything over that normal/high dueling.

Personally, I don't like building duelers so close to 30, because you just know they will bring out a barb next.
And with a sub 20 they are less likely to try and take you on with their 30+ barb.

For some time now I have considered making a low bow zon, since I have a reasonable collection of bows and a few amulets
saved up for the occasion. But other then those two items, I have no idea what could or would work in 1.1x zon dueling.
I'm not looking for AvA or anything, cause I would be bored all day, I just want to make a zon of about 21-24 or something, depending on what my items and skills require, for some low level dueling.
Any thoughts on the skilling or the rest of the gear ?

I wonder who was posting under Fred's name about that level 25 throwbuild. We all know it wasn't Fred. He would have had us put Clegs in the inventory.

Interesting, I have one of those +3 conc +3 blessed hammer scepters. I use it on my higher hammerdin, but I like the idea. Definately going to save the scepter for a level 18 hammerdin. :)

[fredsta54]

A maul definately works very nice on a level 12 charger. Mine does only 895-1449 per hit, which is reasonable at that level.

I consider level 9-17 low, 18-29 medium and anything over that normal/high dueling.

Personally, I don't like building duelers so close to 30, because you just know they will bring out a barb next.
And with a sub 20 they are less likely to try and take you on with their 30+ barb.

For some time now I have considered making a low bow zon, since I have a reasonable collection of bows and a few amulets
saved up for the occasion. But other then those two items, I have no idea what could or would work in 1.1x zon dueling.
I'm not looking for AvA or anything, cause I would be bored all day, I just want to make a zon of about 21-24 or something, depending on what my items and skills require, for some low level dueling.
Any thoughts on the skilling or the rest of the gear ?

I wonder who was posting under Fred's name about that level 25 throwbuild. We all know it wasn't Fred. He would have had us put Clegs in the inventory.

Interesting, I have one of those +3 conc +3 blessed hammer scepters. I use it on my higher hammerdin, but I like the idea. Definately going to save the scepter for a level 18 hammerdin. :)

^^

Well we all know clegs is good and easy to get for lld -.-








Fred

[zrk]

A maul definately works very nice on a level 12 charger. Mine does only 895-1449 per hit, which is reasonable at that level.

I consider level 9-17 low, 18-29 medium and anything over that normal/high dueling.

Personally, I don't like building duelers so close to 30, because you just know they will bring out a barb next.
And with a sub 20 they are less likely to try and take you on with their 30+ barb.

For some time now I have considered making a low bow zon, since I have a reasonable collection of bows and a few amulets
saved up for the occasion. But other then those two items, I have no idea what could or would work in 1.1x zon dueling.
I'm not looking for AvA or anything, cause I would be bored all day, I just want to make a zon of about 21-24 or something, depending on what my items and skills require, for some low level dueling.
Any thoughts on the skilling or the rest of the gear ?

I wonder who was posting under Fred's name about that level 25 throwbuild. We all know it wasn't Fred. He would have had us put Clegs in the inventory.

Interesting, I have one of those +3 conc +3 blessed hammer scepters. I use it on my higher hammerdin, but I like the idea. Definately going to save the scepter for a level 18 hammerdin. :)

How did you get such an ownage amount of damage at lvl 12? My lvl 12 charger who used a pike (which has a bigger max dmg than great mauls) only did ~625 max dmg. It was a crappy pike from charsi, but the ed% cant get much bigger on lvl 12 weapons.

[WarlockCC]

How did you get such an ownage amount of damage at lvl 12? My lvl 12 charger who used a pike (which has a bigger max dmg than great mauls) only did ~625 max dmg. It was a crappy pike from charsi, but the ed% cant get much bigger on lvl 12 weapons.
---===---
Back in the good old days before LoD, all was well. There where some bugs and there was a different balance.
And uniques, well, they had no level requirement. At the time I was playing with my first barbie, who has mainly str and no life. I aquired a certain unique maul, which I kept on him in the time I did not play, but did refresh him.
I figured, just using my main char on that account will keep the entire account alive. That was not the case.
When I wanted to play again, I only had him left, the rest had expired, same on my storage account, all expired.
Then came a rollback and somehow I could 'activate' all my other chars again.
:)

All was well again, the balance was restored.


In short, it's a prelod steel with 194 damage. From what I have seen it's the highest damage prelod steel remaining on the SC D2C Euro realm.


Oh, and instagib is a reasonably accurate description of what happens to people I hit with that level 12. :)

[sAmOAJOe]

Can someone help me on my first lld. I didn't really wanna make a cookie cut lld but i wanna make a paly list of possible suggestions anyone could help me out on or tell me if viable. Avenger?,Tank paly with defiance maxed what skill would i do dmg with?,i was thinking a charger/zealer with holyfreeze? Oh well i don't know much about lld's so i will be very grateful if someone could just reply and help me out on some of my ideas thanks allot.

brian

[fledgeling]

WarlockCC (and others perhaps)
have you seen LittleKiller on europe NL? (acc name is athlon. or something like that)

he has a level 12 charger who killed my level 37 smiter with 2 hits -> first hit around 590hp, 2nd hit the last 40 or something

this would mean that ~600 damage x6 = 3600damage on level 12?

Ive seen this character killing all players in games with only level 35++
and killing some level 70 easily (1-2 hit KO)

the owner of the char refused to show me his gear, but I think he is using a 3pruby helmet + some sort of great maul
armor is a rare I think
but rest?
I asked if he is using 2x prepatch sojs, but he said that he isnt, so maybe 2x 9minimal prepatch rings?

in addition he tends to always hit, even my 2200+ defense smiter wtf
(not that my char is any good, but usually can survive 2w/w of barbs around level 40)

maybe this guy somehow changed the char during duel, because he showed me that he also has a similar named amazon; still Ive seen him own other people in countless games and he was using a level 12 charger

the charger definitely visited hell to get all the quests I think

[WarlockCC]

WarlockCC (and others perhaps)
have you seen LittleKiller on europe NL? (acc name is athlon. or something like that)

he has a level 12 charger who killed my level 37 smiter with 2 hits -> first hit around 590hp, 2nd hit the last 40 or something

this would mean that ~600 damage x6 = 3600damage on level 12?

Ive seen this character killing all players in games with only level 35++
and killing some level 70 easily (1-2 hit KO)

the owner of the char refused to show me his gear, but I think he is using a 3pruby helmet + some sort of great maul
armor is a rare I think
but rest?
I asked if he is using 2x prepatch sojs, but he said that he isnt, so maybe 2x 9minimal prepatch rings?

in addition he tends to always hit, even my 2200+ defense smiter wtf
(not that my char is any good, but usually can survive 2w/w of barbs around level 40)

maybe this guy somehow changed the char during duel, because he showed me that he also has a similar named amazon; still Ive seen him own other people in countless games and he was using a level 12 charger

the charger definitely visited hell to get all the quests I think
yes I have seen him, no, I have no idea what he's using.

[Ijakeash]

My favorite lld build is lvl 18 barb
Twitch
Swordback shield
Bloodfist or sig gloves
Sig helm or biggins
Sig belt
Unique or Pgem war hammer
Angels rings and ammy.

Massive damage, attack speed, and life.

[WarlockCC]

yes I have seen him, no, I have no idea what he's using.
A m8 of mine killed him, but didn't pick up his ear.
I think he used a low level summoner necro to kill him.
In theory, a low smiter(level 16) should also be able to take him out.

[fledgeling]

he killed my mid level smiter (lvl 37) with 2 hits
first hit 590hp

not that my sniper is any good, but I had defiance aura on (2200 def) and 75% block..

[WarlockCC]

he killed my mid level smiter (lvl 37) with 2 hits
first hit 590hp

not that my sniper is any good, but I had defiance aura on (2200 def) and 75% block..
I'll just give a go with my level 16 smiter if I see him around.