strafer question...and stat points! i have 23! what do i do!?

[Flareboosted]

well im a strafer and these are the skills im going to use...please tell me how many points i should put in each...im still low lvl, but just give me the end results (Ie, lvl 80 i should have.....)

Pierce
Critical Strike
Strafe
Penetrate
And maybe something else if you recommend it

ty in advance

[Omikron8]

20 strafe
20 penetrate
65%+ pierce
50%+ crit
17 valk
rest in light fury or whatever skill you want

[Flareboosted]

is 50 max or something cuz everybody gets 50, isn't it wicked if it were 90 and you nearly hit crazy numbers all the time?

[Omikron8]

1) Crit strike maxes at around 60-70 something i believe

2) Crit strike rapidly approaches diminishing returns after 50-60% or so, eventually you invest TWO skill pts to get a ONE % increase

3) therefore 50-60% is sufficient

[Flareboosted]

ic ic...is it the samething about pierce?

[Evrae Altana]

ic ic...is it the samething about pierce?
Yes, Pierce also has diminishing returns.

[FaithXL]

Use razortail for 33% extra pierce if you want to save skillpoints for elsewhere. My strafer has 104% Pierce with 1 point in it, using razor and lotsa +skills.

[Flareboosted]

anybody know exact skill points needed for 70 percent pierce and 60 percent critical?

[superdave]

anybody know exact skill points needed for 70 percent pierce and 60 percent critical?


60% crit is around 12 or 13 pts....70% pierce is only 9 or 10

[Leohappy]

Any kind of extra % critical strike will help the damage, esp. considering how fast bowzon usually shoots projectiles and pierce needs to be taken into consideration aswell.

Anyways I usually have a lvl 13-16 crit (62-65%) and lvl 12 pierce (75%) that combo seems to work well for me (PVM Multi/Strafe zon). And it's now easy to achieve if ama torch is also used which gives a juicy +3 skills - saves you a lot of skillpoints.

And ofc Max you're Valk if you're PVM :p - at high lvls is incredibly tough and for example can easily tank Hell De Seis + his pack while also being Amp'ed (but doesn't do so well with act bosses since they often ignore Valk for some reason...).

[Flareboosted]

if you wouldn't mind could you tell me the strafe/multi zon? if theres a guide plz tell me ty in advance...thats leohappy ive read alotta posts bout you and they tell me alot about what i should make my zon :xmas17:

[AnimeCraze]

Assuming no deadly strike, then x percent critical strike is equivalent to +x% damage on average.With high deadly strike, this is not the case, so if you have a bow like that (WWS comes into mind), 1 point in critical strike is more than enough.

[Tai.]

Yea, critical and deadly can each trigger independently, so for example if you have 60% deadly and 25% critical, you have a 70% chance of one of them triggering.

Yes that is correct, not 85%, 70%

there is a 40% chance that deadly won't trigger and then 1/4 of those times critical will, so 30% of the time neither will trigger and 70% one will.

Cheers
-Tai

[secretzone]

i got my strafer to lv86..

now stuck in hell act5, cant save anya, cos i cant make it thru the caves with so many IP monster in there

any suggestion on killing IP?

i thought of making a harmony, but haven got luck in find a good 4s bow :xmas17:

[Leohappy]

any suggestion on killing IP?1pt Magic arrow (with some +skills from eq) should be enough to handle PI in 1 player games.

[Flareboosted]

hows this build?

20 Strafe
20 Multi
13 peirce
13 critical
17-20 in valk
some in to attack rating skill

does valk really help that much? also, do i have to max out the attack rating skill? or leave it at around 10? Btw im just testing the strafe/multi zon

[Omikron8]

Unless you are using one of these bows

Eaglehorn
Upgraded Goldstrike
Faith

you MUST have maxed penetrate in hell for a bowazon

leave multi at 10 pts if you really want that skill

penetrate must have 20

[Leohappy]

hows this build?

20 Strafe
20 Multi
13 peirce
13 critical
17-20 in valk
some in to attack rating skill

does valk really help that much? also, do i have to max out the attack rating skill? or leave it at around 10? Btw im just testing the strafe/multi zonFirst of all would really help if you "revealed" what kind of stuff you will use on the zon (and purpose of the zon) because otherwise it's hard to say how much of this or that skill you might need.

Multi: Depends on how much mana-leech you have and what bow you use (which would dictate the dmg and with it-leech). I usually have multi at lvl 13 for 14 arrows which is quite enough, but definitely anything above lvl 15 for 16 arrows is a bit too much as unless you'll play in cow lvl a lot there simply isn't enough targets in any other area.

I think your skills plan is good but I'd make it more like (+5 skills here included):

Max Strafe
13 Multi
12 peirce
16 critical
Max in valk
Max Penetrate
Prereqs
Rest in D/A/E or multi or pierce which ever you think you need to improve the zon.

Assuming you'll use at least torch, anni and highlords amu (+5 all skills total) the above build would take about 95 skill points out of 110 so it would be complete at lvl 84 still leaving you room for improvement. Of course if you use Faith bow it's even easier to reach these numbers since it provides even more +skills.

[Flareboosted]

hm.....its gunna be a pit strafer ( basically mfer ) and im just about to go searching for a windforce. hes gunna have the standard mf gear on such as
chance guards
war travs
goldwrap
shako
mf ammy
nagels

so yea i was wondering what the build for a strafe/multi char would be

[secretzone]

1pt Magic arrow (with some +skills from eq) should be enough to handle PI in 1 player games.

it take me more than 5mins to kill 1 PI

im using wf

[Leohappy]

it take me more than 5mins to kill 1 PI

im using wfWhat lvl of magic arrow you have with +skills? In 1 player game really shouldn't take much time to kill any PI, esp with a WF (personal experiences). In 8plyers even max magic arrow isn't quite enough anyway so I prefer to just avoid PI infested areas unless I'm doing quests.

[secretzone]

What lvl of magic arrow you have with +skills? In 1 player game really shouldn't take much time to kill any PI, esp with a WF (personal experiences). In 8plyers even max magic arrow isn't quite enough anyway so I prefer to just avoid PI infested areas unless I'm doing quests.

i only got 1 point there , dun have any +skills items to add to my skills lvl >.<

[orchis]

I've built a strafler with a WF and some other low end gear with just +2 skills. Currently lvl 80 with 13 skill points not allocated. I have
- maxed strafe
- maxed penetrate
- >50% critical strike
- >50% pierce
- lvl 15 valk
- lvl 3 decoy
- lvl 3 dodge, evade and wat ever
- might merc

Any suggestions on using the 13 skill points? I hope to have a faster killing speed but none of the skills seem to help me significantly with that. Wonder if I should invest into magic arrow, multi, or light fury....

[Leohappy]

I'd invest first into critical until it's lvl 13 or more, then Pierce (12+) or maybe you could work on multi and put pts into it if you like the skill (11pts at least).

You can also max Valk but it doesn't really help the kill speed any, just increases the toughness.

[Omikron8]

definitely don't put those points into D/A/E

[Flareboosted]

ok my zon is now lvl 75 and these are stats

Shako
Skulders
WF
Mf amy
nagel
ravenfrost
war travs
chanceguards
goldwrap

he has

116 str
211 dex
110 or so vita
base energy

max strafe
max penetrate
11 in critical
10 in pierce <------i only put a few short in these since my +3 skills will bring it to suffice amount of percent
12 in valk, 15 when put armor on (not done with this, stil putting points into it)

i have a really big problem atm....ive been doing pits several times and all i find there is crap! is it just my mf, or is it that i should go somewhere else to mf? my mf is 449 with all my charms and stuff....i think thats pritty good, but im not finding sh*t. plz answer my questions! ty in advance

[Dacar92]

Please don't make a seperate thread asking a question you already asked.

Closed

[Omikron8]

do 500-1000+ pit runs before you come to a conclusion if its worth your time or not

- pit runs are not pindle
- pit runs are not act bosses
- pit runs are not baal's minions
- pit runs are just regular monsters and random bosses
- they have "good" chances to drop good BASE elite item types, that doesn't mean they have a good chance of turning those base items into rare/unique/set/etc. They are actually quite crappy in terms of those chances and that is where MF helps, a little (severe diminishing returns)

having 0 or 234141% mf doesn't really matter as you can get rich either way

- no MF means lots of elite socketables
- high MF means relatively decent chance to find some godly elite unique

multiplayer (>1) games are also very beneficial to finding stuff in pit runs as you are killing regular monsters and bosses, not act bosses