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eqiz
14-12-2005, 05:22
How do I combat Hammerdins with StormShield and enigma, and druids with Tornado/Hurricane/Enigma/StormShield combo's? I haven't found a way to kill these kind of combo's with my Barbarian.. Can anyone help?

I thought about getting some in Warcry and when they tele to me using Warcry then WWing through them.. Would this be any good to combat the combo or no?
pivdyret
14-12-2005, 05:26
I have also a barb and im using a widowmaker
to kill hammer dins. And i only ww the wind druids.
i dont know if your last idea is good :)
Ce Olba
14-12-2005, 05:28
How do I combat Hammerdins with StormShield and enigma, and druids with Tornado/Hurricane/Enigma/StormShield combo's? I haven't found a way to kill these kind of combo's with my Barbarian.. Can anyone help?

I thought about getting some in Warcry and when they tele to me using Warcry then WWing through them.. Would this be any good to combat the combo or no?

DO NOT post the same thing on multiple forums.

Not a single hammerdin should ever use stormshield. Leap the druids minions and use triangle whirls and teleport yourself. Also your what's your equipment?
Elemental druids should be pretty toast if u have high enough life and some damage reduce%, 50% being the maximum and optimal.
eqiz
14-12-2005, 05:28
well a Wind druid with Stormshield is hard to hit and usually he kills me before i kill him. And what is a widowmaker?
Ce Olba
14-12-2005, 05:30
well a Wind druid with Stormshield is hard to hit and usually he kills me before i kill him. And what is a widowmaker?

A wind druid should never be hard to hit, unless u do not have enigma. Widowmaker is a bow that gives +3-5 to amazon skill Guided arrow, And it's used by barbs to make the hammerdins get on the move. Personally i've killed some camping hammerdins from 1.5 screens away just by spamming ga and teleing.
eqiz
14-12-2005, 05:32
A wind druid should never be hard to hit, unless u do not have enigma. Widowmaker is a bow that gives +3-5 to amazon skill Guided arrow, And it's used by barbs to make the hammerdins get on the move. Personally i've killed some camping hammerdins from 1.5 screens away just by spamming ga and teleing.

so WidowMaker is a bow that gives anyone Guided Arrow? Also how does this tactic work agianst Teleing Hammerdins? those are the ones i'm mostly afriad of.
Ce Olba
14-12-2005, 05:39
so WidowMaker is a bow that gives anyone Guided Arrow? Also how does this tactic work agianst Teleing Hammerdins? those are the ones i'm mostly afriad of.

Well, as most teleing hammerdins just try to namelock tele on top of u and then they make a hammerfield, u spam Guided arrow with either a duress armor or a fortitude armor and then they get on the move again. But u can also try leaping and wwing in place.
eqiz
14-12-2005, 05:42
I can't get widowmaker though since its ladder only.. so is there anything i can do on a non-ladder?
Rius666
14-12-2005, 06:17
There are widows on NL from the last ladder season. Try and trade for one if you can. Shouldn't be too expensive.
Ce Olba
14-12-2005, 07:18
There are widows on NL from the last ladder season. Try and trade for one if you can. Shouldn't be too expensive.

I saw a perf Hel'ed widowmaker go for about 2 sojs. But as it seems that this guy is damn poor, i doubt he can get a good one. (my BvC uses 7% from perf hel'ed)
eqiz
14-12-2005, 07:53
whats teh cap on DR? is it 50% or is it higher?
the boss
14-12-2005, 08:20
Elemental druids should be pretty toast if u have high enough life and some damage reduce%, 50% being the maximum and optimal.

Olba said that already....50%max period.
Imperor
14-12-2005, 13:07
whats teh cap on DR? is it 50% or is it higher?

Possible, you have too much ping simply. In this case winddruids and hammerdins will move too quikly on your monitor. In this case, duels with this chars are very hard or impossible.
Ce Olba
14-12-2005, 16:04
Possible, you have too much ping simply. In this case winddruids and hammerdins will move too quikly on your monitor. In this case, duels with this chars are very hard or impossible.

How does ping have to do anything with that quote u just took? The reason of quote is to say something related to the quoted text. Also, no offense my russian friend (*MOTHER RUSSIA-SHOUTS*), but not everyone has a bad ping. I don't know from where from Siberia or something u are living in, but not many ppl have such a distance to the servers as u do. Not so many ppl have so bad ping, maybe a few africans have even worse?
mastermind
14-12-2005, 17:18
well a Wind druid with Stormshield is hard to hit and usually he kills me before i kill him. And what is a widowmaker?

hi how much life do you have?

Do you have max damage reduction?

are you duel wielding?

Against a good wind druid Dr is very important as Windy druids can do high dmg, you will also need very good life as well. Also always duelwield against Windys as this gives a better chance than having block as windys can take alot of dmg so u want to be able to take the windy out in 1 move routine so he don't tele away and recovers, recasting oak sage etc.

Also you use the Widow maker for Guilded arrow so you can hit the hammerdin but it best to have alot of openwounds, i.e use a durress armour, or stack poison, or use a forti armour for more dmg.

But generally you dont use widow maker for dmg, you use it for the affects like openwounds and poison as this can wear down a hammerdin with max dr much easily.

A technique i use against hammerdins is using leap. If u use leap this will knock the hammerdin back as most hammerdins tele on top of you (name-lock tele) so you need to use alot of leap and keep moving, and try to Whirlwind away from the hammer so he tele locks and gets hit by ur ww while u don't get hit by the hammers.

Also when you get good u can tele-zerk and tele-WW through the hammer field although this is dangerous as mis-timming could lead to your death or leave you in very bad condition

This style of fighting takes alot of practice as u have to be able to know how to move properly and when to attack.

The Widow maker is a very effective way as well
RetroStar
14-12-2005, 18:09
Not a single hammerdin should ever use stormshield.

Can you explain why?

Unless you've got 50%DR from your standard gear with HoZ I don't see why SS isn't viable.

You can still retain 125%fcr with SS/Max Block/Good DR

Also EDmg% from widow is insigficant. Just get the lowest Edmg one. Widow is used for OW and life tap.