Another Kicksin Critic ><

[NewForumBloke]

Hey all! While ago i got a 2/2/-48/9/12 dweb witha 5/4 facet in a trade over one of my less desirable nigmas. After i got it i decided to try and make a kick sin with it. My problem is, is that i need to know wut to socket things with and i need some sort of a skill guide for my particular equipment that i have (since from wut i can gather kick sin skill pts differ from kick sin to kick sin in certain areas).

Gear:

Helm: CoA (1 os wut to put here?), Shako (Ber, os, plain), 08 Gaze (if im not allowed to mention it im sorry), Guilliums?

Armor: Duress,... bout all i got lol. Want to get a fort or maybe a bramble but like to get some opinions before i try.

Belt: Dungo 40/14, got some nice rares laying around too with fhr/str/resist types

Sheild: SS (wut to put in it?)

Boots: Like to get some Up'd Gores or Dancers but havent made my move yet. My only option here would be to up some nice eth greaves i have or use non up'd gores or take chance with imunement

Gloves: Prolly Trangs, but also have dracs, rends, etc

Jewelry: Gelics, Highlord/Rav/Rav, Mara/Bk/Bk which combo best? thinking gelic but not sure

Wep: Obivious my dweb but ive seen that some choose a beast for the str and the fanta aura. is that a better way of going? If i do use the Dweb wuts the best thing to socket it with? Sheal? or the facet? need pointed in the right direction from exp ppl in this lol.

For my skills i think something like this maybe:

20 Talon
1 Flight
(reqs in between)
20 Venom
BoS (need an idea of how much to put here)
20 CoS since ill be in melee duels the most
Cant decide how many to put into MB (if any) and my Shadow Master
1 pt into Blade Sheild (dont think its BM)

Ill be a majority PvP Kicksin and planning on lvling 87-89, 90 if i can. I think using max/ar/lifers with a good sin torch and anni will do pretty good. I dont think shadow lifers are wut i need (if i cant hit them wuts the use in all that dmg?). Well please set me on the right path guys :D !

Ty

-BLoke

[ilkori]

Welcome to kickers, and good luck. Kickers are some of the hardest builds to do well with, and even then you can get more bang for your buck with other builds. I'm no PvPer... but if no one else comes along, I'll share what I've read others do.

[NewForumBloke]

Ah ilkori! Read through your sweet asn post before i posted, though i may have missed some points that would help me out, it gave me some basics to consider but if there was any part in it that could help clear up my problems could you link me to it? Ty for your awesome contribution and for you offered help :D !

-BLoke

[the boss]

Hey all! While ago i got a 2/2/-48/9/12 dweb witha 5/4 facet in a trade over one of my less desirable nigmas. After i got it i decided to try and make a kick sin with it. My problem is, is that i need to know wut to socket things with and i need some sort of a skill guide for my particular equipment that i have (since from wut i can gather kick sin skill pts differ from kick sin to kick sin in certain areas).

Gear:

Helm: CoA (1 os wut to put here?), Shako (Ber, os, plain), 08 Gaze (if im not allowed to mention it im sorry), Guilliums?

Armor: Duress,... bout all i got lol. Want to get a fort or maybe a bramble but like to get some opinions before i try.

Belt: Dungo 40/14, got some nice rares laying around too with fhr/str/resist types

Sheild: SS (wut to put in it?)

Boots: Like to get some Up'd Gores or Dancers but havent made my move yet. My only option here would be to up some nice eth greaves i have or use non up'd gores or take chance with imunement

Gloves: Prolly Trangs, but also have dracs, rends, etc

Jewelry: Gelics, Highlord/Rav/Rav, Mara/Bk/Bk which combo best? thinking gelic but not sure

Wep: Obivious my dweb but ive seen that some choose a beast for the str and the fanta aura. is that a better way of going? If i do use the Dweb wuts the best thing to socket it with? Sheal? or the facet? need pointed in the right direction from exp ppl in this lol.

For my skills i think something like this maybe:

20 Talon
1 Flight
(reqs in between)
20 Venom
BoS (need an idea of how much to put here)
20 CoS since ill be in melee duels the most
Cant decide how many to put into MB (if any) and my Shadow Master
1 pt into Blade Sheild (dont think its BM)

Ill be a majority PvP Kicksin and planning on lvling 87-89, 90 if i can. I think using max/ar/lifers with a good sin torch and anni will do pretty good. I dont think shadow lifers are wut i need (if i cant hit them wuts the use in all that dmg?). Well please set me on the right path guys :D !

Ty

-BLoke
I'd say go with CoA with a poison facet if you will.
Armor is bramble (get one with 45%+poison dmg) because since you use deathsweb, your poison will be ALOT effective with bramble coupled with lower enemy resists so it is very nice.(fort if you like physical dmg better)
Dungos is fine, Arach could work too.
For Ss if you hate the strength obviously it is hel/or -15%req jewel, but otherwise socket it with poison facet if you will.
Dancers have lower strength than up gores and it has dex and 2 shadow skills. Gores is for OW and CB.
Trangs for madness poison or dracs for tap if not bm, your choice.
Highlords raven/bk can be nice.
Beast/Stormlash/lastwish are all good but since you have dweb(you threw your enigma away for it), just use the thing(you'll be poison master).
Socket all your gears just like the above that i stated, otherwise just poison facet.

Skills in my view:
20 Talon
1 Flight
(reqs in between)
20 Venom
10-15 BoS(you might need resists depend on opponent as well so use treachery prebuff if not bm)
5+ CoS since ill be in melee duels the most
1 point mindblast (plus skill does the job)
1+points in shadow master depends on the use of it
1 pt into Blade Sheild (i dont know about this one...)

I hope this is a start.
:uhhuh:

[NewForumBloke]

I think that will help me out big time boss! ty for the assist :thumbsup: Ill start building him in a few days. How much does a 45+ bramble and dancers go for now? lmk and ty again.

-BLoke

[nubikoen]

Dancers have lower strength than up gores and it has dex and 2 shadow skills. Gores is for OW and CB.

Actually Gores have lower req than dancers :)

156 vs 167 iirc
Not that it matters if you're gonna use ss anyway.

I'd choose up'd gores and maybe use dancers for prebuff. 'Maybe' because it's a pain having to go switch gear whenever you're killed. :)

[NewForumBloke]

Ok so would it be cheaper to go with up'd gores? or the dancers? my eth's arent bad its just i really would like to have those skills or the ow/cb stuff u know lol.

-BLoke

[ilkori]

Thanks. Nearly all of this is hear-say and not used by me. On the other hand, I've heard it enough, and it makes sense. My guide won't help you too much since it's all about PvM.

There are basically two setups in the PvP world for kickers - those who use Enigma, and everything else. You will need Enigma to fight casters; any build without it is just too slow to tackle anything but melee. Also, any effective kicker will have a bit of hybrid backup. The ones that really work are WW and Bow.

For gear, you want to meet a few goals
- 86 FHR
- maxed resists, 50% dr
- maxed block
- high OW
- as many +shadow skills as possible
- elite boots (Dancers are the best for PvP, and never take them off)
- huge AR (like 15k+)


The thing with the Bramble/DWeb/Trangs setup is that you will end up 1-hitting a lot of characters, but there are some catches. Most of the low life characters have teleportation, meaning that one hit will be difficult. Anything with super high life/def (pally/barb) will be a very diffuclt battle.