Grief vs heavens light

[KevinHideo]

hey.. ok, so i have an uber killer, does the trick quite nicely... my gear set up looks like this:

Um'ed guillams
archon duress
2x shael 3+ heavens light
rare ring/raven frost
dungos/credendum
upped hoz
2/2 49% demon seraphs
gores
dracs

so yeah.. i have a few questions... one, do i need the highlords to hit the next break point? i had a 1x shael heavens and i used a highlord to hit the 6 swing zeal... but when i replaced the heavens with a 2 socket shael shael one and ditched the highlords, i lost the final breakpoint and went back down to 5 swings. what the heck? anyways...

my other question is.. is getting a greif really worth it? i do alright as it is, and i can afford a greif if i wanted to.. so should i get one? if so, should it be a pb or a zerker.. and if i do get one, does the ias/damage really matter if this char is only for uber killing, because a cheap grief can go for ist - ist um...

thanks ^_^

[the boss]

hey.. ok, so i have an uber killer, does the trick quite nicely... my gear set up looks like this:

Um'ed guillams
archon duress
2x shael 3+ heavens light
rare ring/raven frost
dungos/credendum
upped hoz
2/2 49% demon seraphs
gores
dracs

so yeah.. i have a few questions... one, do i need the highlords to hit the next break point? i had a 1x shael heavens and i used a highlord to hit the 6 swing zeal... but when i replaced the heavens with a 2 socket shael shael one and ditched the highlords, i lost the final breakpoint and went back down to 5 swings. what the heck? anyways...

my other question is.. is getting a greif really worth it? i do alright as it is, and i can afford a greif if i wanted to.. so should i get one? if so, should it be a pb or a zerker.. and if i do get one, does the ias/damage really matter if this char is only for uber killing, because a cheap grief can go for ist - ist um...

thanks ^_^

I think 2 shael heaven's light does it better than just grief, it cuts out the high reach cost of price and its still efficient(33% cb)
I'm thinking about getting one as well

Assuming you want to get a grief..., that means that you would want to get it in a zerker for range. But if you do zeal alot...minus the repair cost, you might wanna go for pb. It really depends, with zerk, you need outside ias. With grief pb its lower range of 2.

Hope I helped alittle on the "grief" part...

[oneBlast]

if it's only pvm, don't bother gettin zerker.
You don't need range in pvm that much, and you won't loose one frame with PB when decreped.

[KevinHideo]

if it's only pvm, don't bother gettin zerker.
You don't need range in pvm that much, and you won't loose one frame with PB when decreped.

ah ok.. thats interesting.. so id go with the pb for sure then, causei hardly ever pvp.. so now, does having a grief present that much of an advantage over the heavens? is it worth it?

[kingdryland]

There is always stormlash to consider as well. Same crushing blow and an overall better weapon than heaven's to zeal with...Although grief is the best choice,even without cb. Your smite will become almighty and 50% cb is more than enough and easily reachable from rest of gear. As for a comparison to heaven's light...well grief does roughly quadrable average zeal and smite damage...

[Xiamet]

ah ok.. thats interesting.. so id go with the pb for sure then, causei hardly ever pvp.. so now, does having a grief present that much of an advantage over the heavens? is it worth it?


Kevin

If your current setup is working well, and you're only using this pally for Uber runs, why bother? Just so you can shave off another 30 seconds off the Uber run?

if it ain't broke, don't fix it...

-X

[kingdryland]

Well ,in that case just use a rixot's keen,it has crushing blow too. Cheaper than heaven's, why bother with that.

[jake007]

Because Heaven's Light can hit the final BP for smite...

[Xiamet]

Because Heaven's Light can hit the final BP for smite...

Not to mention it's damage is more than enough to finish off that last sliver when CB loses it's effectiveness. +3 skills doesn't hurt either. And you don't need to go broke trying to get one.

-X

[kingdryland]

Not to mention it's damage is more than enough to finish off that last sliver when CB loses it's effectiveness. +3 skills doesn't hurt either. And you don't need to go broke trying to get one.

-X

Of course heaven's light e.damage has nothing to do with actual smite raw damage... Because the weapon's ed% is not transfered to smite.

The +damage from grief DOES help smite and a lot,annihilates ubers' final hitpoints and generally makes zealing the minions in uber trist piece of cake (huge damage,itd). And ofcourse you don't need to go broke to buy a grief,on ladder at least,low ones go cheap (1-2 ists) and good heaven's is nowadays mal already.

If anyone just dislikes grief that makes everything easier and wants something more challenging I suggest a double upgraded and shaeled rixot's keen,which has a nice 25% crushing blow and 20% bonus to ar. With loh and highlords it hits max smite/zeal breakpoint and remains cheaper than heaven's.(upgrade costs and that's all) You will be zealing at 1k per swing while a heaven's does 1.7-2k but since you can do it with it why spend more.

[AnimeCraze]

When I got mine at the beginning of ladder (2 soc, +3 pally), it was mal. It should be cheaper by now. Still, I think grief is better.

[Xiamet]

Heaven's Light had more CB and better mods than double up'd Rixots, and doesn't need upgrading.

Just because I'm not a card carrying member of the Grief Admiration Society doesn't mean I dislike Grief. Seems like the defacto answer on this forum is "...get a Grief... >>squawk<< ...get a Grief.."

I just don't see it as the must have weapon for a zealing/smiting paladin, especially when there are cheaper alternatives which are effective all on their own.

Unless you just gotta to kill everything in the game with 1 hit, and just gotta get those Ubers done in under 30 seconds....

Yea!! Extreeeemmme!!

-X

[kingdryland]

First of all I'm a zealot admirer,not a grief admirer. I never said that it is the only choice or a must have for zealots,I said it is the best choice,which is very different. There are plenty of great zealot weapons for the rich and the poor, as I have pointed many times. Azurewrath,nord's tenderizer,stormlash,oath,botd,death,death cleaver,schaefer's,astreon's,last wish,razor's edge etc etc etc

The rixot's keen was an example I gave in order to understand that heaven's to grief is exactly what rixot is to heaven's. A cheaper,inferior substitute ,that does the job. Period.

To make it clearer, for me heaven's light in the price range of mal is in comparison a poor choice when with almost the same funds one can buy the fabulous Stormlash,that offers the same cb with heaven's (for the smiting aspect) ,elemental damage and the beneficial for zealots, static field.

[AnimeCraze]

To make it clearer, for me heaven's light in the price range of mal is in comparison a poor choice when with almost the same funds one can buy the fabulous Stormlash,that offers the same cb with heaven's (for the smiting aspect) ,elemental damage and the beneficial for zealots, static field.Probably not, since it should be cheaper than a mal by now, hopefully. I am guessing pul~um for a moderate one.

[kingdryland]

Probably not, since it should be cheaper than a mal by now, hopefully. I am guessing pul~um for a moderate one.

I hope,in that price range ,acquiring it has a meaning.

[KevinHideo]

im quite sure that fairly good heavens (2soc 3 skills) are now only um, and lesser ones are pul, lem, and ive seen even lower go for pgems...

[Xiamet]

im quite sure that fairly good heavens (2soc 3 skills) are now only um, and lesser ones are pul, lem, and ive seen even lower go for pgems...


I'll check later tonight on what the going price is for a Stormlash vs a good HL, but I'm fairly certain the HL goes for more. I know without a doubt that a Lo rune and a 5os Zerker are gonna cost an arm and a leg, at least on East ladder.

-X

[kingdryland]

I'll check later tonight on what the going price is for a Stormlash vs a good HL, but I'm fairly certain the HL goes for more. I know without a doubt that a Lo rune and a 5os Zerker are gonna cost an arm and a leg, at least on East ladder.

-X

Low Griefs (+34x, 30-33ias) go for peanuts 1-2 ist.

[AnimeCraze]

I'll check later tonight on what the going price is for a Stormlash vs a good HL, but I'm fairly certain the HL goes for more. I know without a doubt that a Lo rune and a 5os Zerker are gonna cost an arm and a leg, at least on East ladder.

-XHL goes for more? Interesting. I would have thought otherwise, since stormlash is so much harder to find and so much more powerful.

[Xiamet]

HL goes for more? Interesting. I would have thought otherwise, since stormlash is so much harder to find and so much more powerful.

My mistake...I meant to say that Stormlash goes for more...and for exactly the reasons you stated.

kingdryland...

You quoting east ladder prices? Lo runes, last I checked, were ridiculously expensive on east ladder...as are 5os Zerkers.

-X

[kingdryland]

Lo goes for 4ist mal-5 ist on europe ladder. From my experience high runes are almost always cheaper on US realms,although this season is weird indeed.

[Xiamet]

Lo goes for 4ist mal-5 ist on europe ladder. From my experience high runes are almost always cheaper on US realms,although this season is weird indeed.

Might be due to less players...WoW seems to be the popular game now.

Might work on a Grief for my Frenzier, as he's my pet project du jour. If I can swing one, I may go Grief+Crescent moon or Oath.

Anyways..that's the barb forums.

-X