silly question regarding beast runeword.

[cynicalcat1]

would it be bad to put beast in a double axe?since the requirements are small and i wont be hitting anything with it shouldnt be to awful,should it?

[Das Adin]

I considered it when I made it. However I was also conserned that I might want to lend beast to a melee char as I dont have botd. If you know for a fact that your necro will be the only person using beast, and you dont have the str to equip an ettin or a berserker then go for it. People dont put Jah Ith ber in breast plates just because they like the name.

[Thynqikan]

I pondered the exact same thing when I made my Beast. I also considered resale/ trade value and opted to put my Beast in an ettin axe.
Yes My Summoner had to put stat points into strength, but I think it was a good call. No one will want your double axe beast.

*thynqikan

[Cdnexpat]

People put Jah Ith and Ber in breast plates because the low strengh requirement means more free points for things like vita. The plus to strengh provided by the armor allow you to equip your other gear while the plus 700-750 to defence leaves you with good defense armor for a summon necro. That said I think beast in a double ax would be a mistake. It really hurts the items resale value and if you are having trouble wearing it you probably don't have Enigma which is far more useful to a summoner. I would try to hold on to my Ber and make Engima when you get a Jah. The improved mobility and minion stacking effect are far more beneficial than the Fan aura IMO.

[Evrae Altana]

The extra life you get with Double Axe Beast is not worth the headache you'll most likely get if you try to sell it later.

[cynicalcat1]

ok thanks all for the reponses.i made it in an ettin axe.

[Dekaroe]

Seriously. WHAT. THE. ****?!?!??!

Good defense for a summoner?? If that defense is going to make such a difference then why the hell is vitality jacked up instead of vitality?

Christ, it pisses me off when people salivate over defense when it comes to classes who have craptastic defense to begin with!!! Okay, sure, be anal when it comes to Paladins, Barbarians, Werebears (i think that's about it) but a Summoner?

Christ, you're a summoner!!! You're not even suppose to be surrounded let alone hit!! Defense shouldn't mean **** to you!!

*END RANT*

[Dekaroe]

*smashes his head into the wall*

I understand somewhat .......... good defense incase you want to trade it to other classes who value the good defense.

But if you're not going to play a character that demands good defense, then well, it doesn't matter now does it?

[Cdnexpat]

I believe your rant is directed at me. If you think defense doesn't matter at all try playing all of hell with no defense. All things being equal more defense is always preferable. If you pause from your rant. You may notice I am promoting the lowest defense option of Engima, a breast plate, it cannot be made in anything with lower defense or lower requirements. I am not promoting the high defense option, Achron Plate, because the defense from breast plate is good enough for a summoner.

edit interupted by my boss who wanted me to work

Vitality is important because it can help keep you alive when you run into things like burning souls and archers. Sometimes you can see them coming and react to them, sometimes it doesn't go that way. Extra life is always good.

Is it possible to play with crappy defense? Yes it is, I played the first three acts of hell in the new ladder with smoke armor in a cuirass and a +3 to RS splendor head with crappy blocking, but it is much easier to play in good armor like the trangs set I use now.

High defense in a crappy base armor is one of the benefits of Engima, I'm not sure why you think this is a bad thing.

[Dekaroe]

No it wasn't directed at you. I've ranted before about defense, not those who put their opinion on it or what-not.

Crap, I noticed in my post "why the hell is vitality jacked up instead of vitality?"
I meant for dexterity to be jacked up instead of vitality. You're right, range and souls will kill a Necro, but they do it even with higher vitality, you're just hoping that they hit you with the low end of the lightning damage range.

I despise the value of defense for some armors. I mean look at a summoner, is that petty range of the armor you turn into enigma going to make a difference? No, not really, I don't think it would.

I understand defense mattering, my Fury Druid had maybe 200-300 in Hell but had the life & life leech to back that up. Summoners could go on 200-300 defense. Once you're hit your dead anyways, not like we have uber life unless you want to throw in oak sage/bo. But look, would it have helped if my Druid had 2000 or 5000 defense? Maybe, but is that attainable? I don't think so, not with a Werewolf. I'm talking no assistance from others, like Shout/Defiance.

I'm just trying to say; defense should matter with the classes that can utilize defense through defense raising skills. Why does a Necromancer have Bone Armor? Cause they're defense sucks. Can't really get around it.

[KevinHideo]

No it wasn't directed at you. I've ranted before about defense, not those who put their opinion on it or what-not.

Crap, I noticed in my post "why the hell is vitality jacked up instead of vitality?"
I meant for dexterity to be jacked up instead of vitality. You're right, range and souls will kill a Necro, but they do it even with higher vitality, you're just hoping that they hit you with the low end of the lightning damage range.

I despise the value of defense for some armors. I mean look at a summoner, is that petty range of the armor you turn into enigma going to make a difference? No, not really, I don't think it would.

I understand defense mattering, my Fury Druid had maybe 200-300 in Hell but had the life & life leech to back that up. Summoners could go on 200-300 defense. Once you're hit your dead anyways, not like we have uber life unless you want to throw in oak sage/bo. But look, would it have helped if my Druid had 2000 or 5000 defense? Maybe, but is that attainable? I don't think so, not with a Werewolf. I'm talking no assistance from others, like Shout/Defiance.

I'm just trying to say; defense should matter with the classes that can utilize defense through defense raising skills. Why does a Necromancer have Bone Armor? Cause they're defense sucks. Can't really get around it.


Dex is raised for max blocking (as far as i know) and as to your 1 hit your dead anyways comment, that is the point. defence does not affect the damage you take, rather the chance that someone will hit you. higher defence, = less chance for that 1 hit ko.

[Dekaroe]

Yeah ............ I knew that about defense. But your last sentence about higher defense = less chance of being hit.... it's pretty high, and my belief is that a few extra % points aren't going to save your *** when you want it too.

Such as, this armor gives you 10% less chance to be hit compared to your last armor. Whoopty doo, you've went from 70% to be hit to 65%. Still gonna die. Hope it was worth the trade.