Exile or HoZ

[dragongelf]

im building a smiter and i happened to get vex and ohm via trades in my possesion and was wondering...

what would be better suited? a HoZ or an Exile...

and what would exile best be made with? i already know that it must be an eth shield but i dont know exactly which shield that would be...

[the boss]

im building a smiter and i happened to get vex and ohm via trades in my possesion and was wondering...

what would be better suited? a HoZ or an Exile...

and what would exile best be made with? i already know that it must be an eth shield but i dont know exactly which shield that would be...

Eth Vortex shield with resists (i tend to like resists than ed/ar shields)
HoZ would better being Upgraded

[dragongelf]

so what would be minimal resist for exile?

i cant upp my HoZ because i am nonlddr :lol: so i guess i should go with the exile then...

[sorceressgod]

i use hoz for my zealing and exile on switch for smiting.

exile for zealing and all purposes other than smiting, is not as good as HoZ, only adds about 6-8k more defences, which means just a mere few -% of getting hitted by monsters :)

[kingdryland]

For pvm or pvu(bers) exile all the way. Hoz is probably worse than exile AND alma negra for zealots btw. I wouldn't make exile in vortex,high strength/level requirements and terrible block in vortex. The higher defense won't redeem it.

[Dalzor]

For pvm or pvu(bers) exile all the way. Hoz is probably worse than exile AND alma negra for zealots btw. I wouldn't make exile in vortex,high strength/level requirements and terrible block in vortex. The higher defense won't redeem it.

its not about defence, its about base smite dmg, and if im not wrong, vortex have the best base smite dmg...

[Quietus]

its not about defence, its about base smite dmg, and if im not wrong, vortex have the best base smite dmg...


They have the highest max. They also have the lowest min. All in all, ANY elite paladin sheild will work for smite. Kurast sheilds provide all-around niceness, with decent defense, kind of wide range (for those who thrive on high max damage), and good block.

Zakarum sheild has tightest range (46-46 damage), second best defense, better block than vortex.

Sacred targe has lowest strength requirements, lowest defense (by a small bit), highest block, and STILL has 46 average smite damage (Which if I'm not mistaken, is what all paladin sheilds have).

Sacred Rondache is the only one I'd avoid; Second lowest defense, second highest block. I'd rather pick upthe sacred targe, only 6 less max defense and 2% better base block on the sheild (Makes for a decent difference in stats at high levels). With smite damage, though, it's the oddball out; It has 46.5 average smite damage, every other elite pally sheild has 46.

[newerest]

They have the highest max. They also have the lowest min. All in all, ANY elite paladin sheild will work for smite. Kurast sheilds provide all-around niceness, with decent defense, kind of wide range (for those who thrive on high max damage), and good block.

Zakarum sheild has tightest range (46-46 damage), second best defense, better block than vortex.

Sacred targe has lowest strength requirements, lowest defense (by a small bit), highest block, and STILL has 46 average smite damage (Which if I'm not mistaken, is what all paladin sheilds have).

Sacred Rondache is the only one I'd avoid; Second lowest defense, second highest block. I'd rather pick upthe sacred targe, only 6 less max defense and 2% better base block on the sheild (Makes for a decent difference in stats at high levels). With smite damage, though, it's the oddball out; It has 46.5 average smite damage, every other elite pally sheild has 46.

Kurast shield is probally the best.

Exile > Up'ed hoz imo
Life tap is just...way too good to overlook

[Moogleofdoom]

To all you people out there with both: GIVE ME ONE. I AM POOR AND NEED IT.

<3

[cowpaste]

its not about defence, its about base smite dmg, and if im not wrong, vortex have the best base smite dmg...

A mistake that A LOT of players make is that they only look at max damage. Max damage tells you almost nothing. Don't forget to average, people!

I did the calculation a while back. IIRC, all Elite Pally shields have the same average smite damage of 46.

[dragongelf]

so what do people recommend on a shield beside that? resist or ed? and i'd like to know why and how much minimum for exile...

almost there:D only need an ist and the shield for exile :clap:

[kingdryland]

Ideally,a shield with the ed%/ar mod is the best for zealots smiters and their hybrids. Melee duel attacks usually are not very elementaly based. But for pvm resists are probably the best way to go,especially now we have the thing called "mephisto's conviction aura".

[dragongelf]

so resist would be best for ubersmiter? and how much minimal?

[kingdryland]

so resist would be best for ubersmiter? and how much minimal?

Well the top is 45% all res. Use the best you can find/afford.Anything less than 35% is a waste of vex+ohm in my opinion.

[Quietus]

Kurast shield is probally the best.

Exile > Up'ed hoz imo
Life tap is just...way too good to overlook

The life tap is good, yes. However, most smiters use Dracul's Grasp, which also packs life tap. Having both is rather pointless, since you only need it to go off occasionally. That in mind, an upgraded Herald is very hard to top, if you're looking at overall mods.

As for min - if you're going after the ubers I'd look for 40 min, but try and get close to 45. Even with ort in my guillaime's face, chains of honor, a good mara, and an um'ed hoz (72 resist all), all three anyas, and anni/torch, I still come out to about 40% lightning resist against mephisto. With the same setup using a 45 resist exile, you're just breaking 0.

And as far as the average damage issue goes; Sacred Rondache gives 35 - 58 damage, for 93/2 = 46.5 smite. All the others give 46 average. However, this is hardly enough to tip the scales in it's favor once you take Holy Sheild and Grief (potentially) into account.

[Sechler]

Not that it's got the horsepower of hoz or exile, but a nice runner up for the price is Sanctuary. I just made a Vortex Sanctuary w/ 107 all resists and 560 def. I love it for a measley kokomal! Other useful mods on sanc are 20 fhr, 20 fbr, 20 icb, 60 charges of slow missiles, +20 dex, +250 def against missiles, mdr.

[kingdryland]

Sanctuary is great choice and Griswold's shield can do the job as well.

[RetroStar]

Actually with the release of grief. HoZ and Exile do loads of dmg.

Though I'll take up'd HoZ over Exile for resist/block/skills.

[mainaman]

if you go for exile for ubers you loose like 27 ress all (um'd hoz =72 res all vs 45 res all which is max possible res on exile).this means that if you want to compensate you need charms and in my opinion it isn't worth it.also hoz is cheaper to trade for than the runes for exile and 2x15 res all gc

[kingdryland]

But with exile glove slot is open,draculs can go away and you can replace them with blood crafted gloves with resists,crushing blow life and even dexterity if lucky, to compensate the loss of hoz...

[Halas]

If this is stictly for running ubers then just prebuff with treachery runeword and stand in a firepit outside the gate in act5. Once it casts you've got ~5 min of 60 all resists, easily enough time to kill all 3 ubers

[earthrug]

I like an Upped /non eth HOZ for smiting. They are easy to trade for on non-ladder these days. I got mine non-ladder for a high rune a few months ago

[Punkonjunk]

so resist would be best for ubersmiter? and how much minimal?

You want to help with resists for the ubers... Get a "treachery" armor (I have it for my merc) which has 5% ctc lvl15 fade when struck, and just get the crap kicked outta you until oyu turn transparent. With mildly stacked resists, meph can't touch you at all. The ctc enchant on striking is also an appreciated boost.

[AnimeCraze]

The CtC on that thing is venom, which doesn't boost your AR. The reason I know is because I abused the IAS and poison damage on my witchyzon. Run salvation while you have Treachery makes you pretty much invincible against meph's attacks.

[dragongelf]

so is there any use for the lvl13-16 defiance aura when equipped? i'm asking because i'm also planning to use nearly perf azurewrath (got it for a pul rune) with lvl 13 sanctuary aura... it would be funny to see a smiter with 3 aura's from himself and one from a merc

the only problem would be the resists... so is there a merc that has an aura that adds resists or should i just stick with my holy freeze merc? i know he probably wont survive long with the ubers but quite possible i might be able to make use of him in fending off some minions that are attacked by my sanctuary aura...

any oppinions on that?

[mainaman]

well merc is completely useless in tristram since he dies almost at the same moment you face mephy so dont bother with merk.also merks are kinda stupid and can run straight to the 3 ubers at the moment you enter tristram thus attracting minnions and ubers to the portal

[nicothemaster]

im building a smiter and i happened to get vex and ohm via trades in my possesion and was wondering...

what would be better suited? a HoZ or an Exile...

and what would exile best be made with? i already know that it must be an eth shield but i dont know exactly which shield that would be...

go with a zakarum shield sanctuary for high resists and smite damage ( mine has 90 resists: perfect 70 from runeword and 20 from item itself)

also the runes are easy ko ko mal

edit: pal shields can come with a chromatic 45 resists: 45 + 70 = 115 from shield alone, good vs ubers