Class Cannoneer Amazon

[corax]

Playing with my strafer again has made me want to make a max dex zon. and quite simply i'm wondering a few things about my gear..

89% for 9 FPA multi.
ultimate k33l speed.

Weapon: shael'd Windforce :thumbsup:
Armour: Lionheart runeword. nothing comes close IMO. but i could be wrong.
Helmet: nothing really stands out here. Giant skull due to str saving and cb. vamp gaze cos of dr and dual leech. crown of thieves for LL, res, life and dex. blackth0rds for slow, pmh and lightning absorb. tal's helm for dual leech, life and res.
gloves: something with 20% ias, prolly blood gloves. if i need the ias that is....bloodfist are always a strong choice. lavagout have the ias fire dmg and CTC enchant. draculs would be good if it wasnt for the lifetap. laying of hands are always a strong choice too
Belt: nois coil for ias leech and slow. too easy.
boots: war travs for more str and dmg. gore rider for status effects.
amulet: highlords. definetly
ring1: ravenfrost
ring2: rare dual leecher for pwn.

charrrms: sharps and what not. dmg all the way.


any gear suggestions i didnt think of. remember going for k33l speed > all. and each point in str saved is a point in dex earnt.

[Dunedain]

You mean to say that all bowazons arent max dex? Where the hell have I been...

[Humphrey]

You mean to say that all bowazons arent max dex?
Mine has a lot of str (windforce is heavy) and some vit because 1 hit kills aren't fun.

[LprMan]

Replace the Lionheart with jeweler's plate of whale. Put ED jewels (preferably with +dex or str) in the sockets

Helm = Kira's, if you care about resists. Or maybe Mav's diadem. Or some nice jeweler's diadem/tiara socketed with somekind of IAS or ED jewels

Blood gloves are the best I think. +2 passives, 20% IAS...they can get 3% life leech which is enough for a bowazon with massive damage. If you can't get those, then use LoH and get your life leech from some other source

Belt = Razortail, no other options. 100% pierce is a wonderful thing, and the damage and dex it adds are great too

Use dual Raven Frost if possible

[DX-Crawler]

My pure dexzon was using:

Kira's Guardian
Windy Shael:d
Griswold hearts with 3 nice Jools in it. 8 max damage, all res 32, IAS 30%
IK blet and Gloves, great strengh
Mahim oak
War travs
2 rare rings

But mine was different I was using MS, didnt dare go with strafe I guess I was a bit chicken

DX

[tweety]

But mine was different I was using MS, didnt dare go with strafe I guess I was a bit chicken
DX

He wants to use MS.

Mine is a strafer and she uses:
LoH
Windforce with ED jool
Twitchthroe with jool of fervor
Mav's diadem with jool of fervor
Razortail
Atma's
Ravenfrost
Rare ring with life leech and other goodies
War travelers

With multishot your chance to cast stuff will be a lot lower IRC because only the middle two arrows can have a chance to cast, Atma's is not a good idea in that case.

[DX-Crawler]

Hmm maybe I should read the posts before I post even if it's Corh4X :D

DX

[Crazy Runner Guy]

So you need 90% IAS for an MS zon? Here's what I'd go with:

WF: Best bow in the game, hands down. Shael'd of course.
Chains of Honor or Lionheart: I see CoH as the best PvM armor in the game, usable by nearly every character, however, in certain situations, Lionheart is better.

Here's a comparison. I'm not going to specify armor, because of the Hel rune.


Res Stats ED% Misc:
Lionheart 30 60 20% all +50 life, -15% req
CoH 65 20 200% DtD, 100% DtU +2 all, 8% LL, 8% DR, 25% MF


I would go with the lionheart. The mods can be combined to yield 97 stats (adding stats, life and DR), and moderate res. CoH, while great, just doesn't cut it here.

Razortail: 100% Pierce is a must.
2x Ravenfrost: +40 dex and up to +500 flat AR? Sign me up!
Crafted blood gloves: 20% IAS/+2 passives/3-6% LL/dual stat (+15/15 max) are the best you can get, but consider the IAS a must. More stats mean more damage!
Cat's Eye: More fr/w, 20% IAS and +25 dex. That's 25% more damage! Max out Crit strike if you have to, this is much better than Highlord's.
Waterwalk: +15 dex and up to +65 life. That's a lot! If not these, Travs is best, mostly for the MF. Don't bother with Gore Rider.
Rare circlet: You need at least 9% more IAS with the above set up, so one more socket is needed. You'll get that here. Look for +dex/str, res, two sockets and fr/w is nice, and skills are also a plus. Socket with single Res/IAS jewel.

Charms: Go with Sharp GC's of Sus/Vita, with individual res of vita/sus beneath.

[lone_wolf]

good idea corax lets see if you can get past 500 dex im at around 470 dex myself but then we talk about a base vita zon with only enough str for WT and the rest in dex.

[Rizzo]

Waterwalk: +15 dex and up to +65 life. That's a lot! If not these, Travs is best, mostly for the MF. Don't bother with Gore Rider.
Wartraveler are the best (imho) since they add to damage. And even tho it doesn't look like much it will be in the end ... It was on my old dexazon.

Otherwise I agree with you CRG. Your choice of amulet is, of course, correct. Cat's Eye all the way on a dexazon yay!

GG corh4x :thumbsup:

[Kefir-Tribe]

Kill speed > all. Helm? Why not Guillaume's Face?

[lone_wolf]

Kill speed > all. Helm? Why not Guillaume's Face?

mayby just mayby because CB works different on ranged attacks then on melee attacks;)

CB on a zon dont help that much if you already do good damage

[corax]

Weapon: Windforce shael (str: 134)
Helm: tal's with j00l of ferv0r
Armour: Lionheart (+25 str, +15 dex)
Gloves: 20% ias, passives, str/dex
Belt: razortail(+15 dex)
Boots: war travs
Amulet: cats eye
Ring1: ravenfrost
Ring2: ravenfrost

Charrrms: sharps of GIB LIF3 N00B


hows that look?


i like tals helm....its h4x

[Corrupted]

Definately LoH for damage, you could use a rare leech/stat ring with +min damage (goes as high as +9), another helm option could be Andariels for lEwTstYLe and saving more stats, as well as an IAS jewel.

[corax]

Weapon: Windforce shael (str: 134)
Helm: Andy's visage
Armour: Lionheart (+25 str, +15 dex)
Gloves: LOH
Belt: razortail(+15 dex)
Boots: war travs (+10 str)
Amulet: cats eye
Ring1: ravenfrost
Ring2: rare dual leecher

Charrrms: sharps of life.

the best dual leecher i got. its awesome cool....

Viper Loop
Ring
Required Level: 65
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 73
Fingerprint: 0x1095262d
+5 to Strength
+45 to Life
+49 to Attack Rating
Cold Resist +13%
3% Life stolen per hit
2% Mana stolen per hit

[Kefir-Tribe]

mayby just mayby because CB works different on ranged attacks then on melee attacks;)

CB on a zon dont help that much if you already do good damage
I know. It's still extra damage. Don't forget it has 15%DS too

[Reborn2k]

I know. It's still extra damage. Don't forget it has 15%DS too
It's not at all that effective, because it only cuts the enemies life by 1/8 instead of 1/4 with melee attacks. Also the DS is in total only a 5% gain calculated with the CS. The optimal solution concerning dmg would probably be a 3 socket circlet with 3 40/15 ed/ias jewels! ;) Or max/ias...

[NacRuno]

it is a way too old thread but i wish to ask something, the belt with piercing bonus (Razortail i guess). I remember reading somewhere that it had %66 chance of piercing and piercing can not exceed a value even with piercing passive skill of amazon. Is it true or does it just give you %100 piercing as everybody is suggesting??

[Corrupted]

IIRC it adds 33% piercing.

[Humphrey]

I think you can get 100% (or if not, 95%). It's not capped below that.

[lone_wolf]

it is a way too old thread but i wish to ask something, the belt with piercing bonus (Razortail i guess). I remember reading somewhere that it had %66 chance of piercing and piercing can not exceed a value even with piercing passive skill of amazon. Is it true or does it just give you %100 piercing as everybody is suggesting??

razortail only adds 33% pierce but as it does stack with the amazon skill pierce it can without trouble give you above 100% pierce. not that anything over 100% helps more but...

lets put it this way all you need to have in pierce to get above 100% chance to pierce is skill level 9 in the amazon skill pierce. Skill level 9 equals 69% chance to pierce.

with razortail on the char that pierce becomes 69+33=102% pierce

Note alos that a maxed out pierce at level 20 only gives you 85% chance to pierce.

also remember that you dont have to place hard points in pierce to get it to skill level 9 my pure lit javazon has one hard point in pierce but still gets to skill level 10 or 71% chance to pierce just from the +skills her gear gives, along razortail she has 104% pierce.

so no razortail does not give 66% chance to pierce i believe you think about one of the various bows and crossbows out there that gives pierce.

secondly no razortail alone will never give you 100% pierce but along with some points in pierce it will let you come up in 100% pierce.

hope it helped

[LprMan]

Cat's Eye: More fr/w, 20% IAS and +25 dex. That's 25% more damage! Max out Crit strike if you have to, this is much better than Highlord's

I would still choose Highlord's

Both amulets have 20% IAS

+1 skills means few saved skillpoints: 1 point less in Pierce for 100% piercing with Razortail, 1 point less in Valk to get her to lvl 17...and then you can use those points in something else, maybe Penetrate.

Highlord's gives +35% to the most important resist. On my bowazon I only try to get good lightining resistance and pretty much ignore all others...gloams are almost only elemental attackers who can hurt me badly

Huge Deadly Strike. Sure, it is not as good on amazon that it is on all other characters because DS and CS exclude each other but think about this: +25 dex = +25% enhanced damage. Its not that much on top of all that dex amazons have, ED from gear, mercs aura...IMHO it is not that hard to get 700-800% ED total on a zon, another 25% is not going to do miracles (bit over 3% increase in dmg). What about giving Highlord's to your lvl 90 amazon who already has umm...lets say lvl 10 CS (56%)? That will result in a ~71% total chance for double dmg, which is almost 9% increase in overall damage! There is no reason for maxing CS then either, the diminishing returns are steep at higher lvls. You can put all those points in Penetrate for massive AR, maybe you can get the AR high enough to have 95% cth, at least against all regular monsters

The only thing which is better on Cat's Eye is the FRW, but I wouldn't use any ammy just because of that

[Rizzo]

I would still choose Highlord's
I fail to see why.
Extra skill points is pretty useless on a windyzon. She needs speed and dex. She's not supposed to last long. It's not a vitazon.

If you really want to make a true windyzon/cannoneer/dexazon corax, imho you should go all the way or no way at all. She'll be as fragile as a one legged frog on an interstate, but she sure can kill fast - and that's why you're making her. Don't sacrifice killing power for resistances.


btw, dex increases AR, with 500 dex I think his chances to hit are faily high ;)

[LprMan]

I fail to see why.
Extra skill points is pretty useless on a windyzon. She needs speed and dex.

+1 skills won't do too much but it still helps a little bit. Highlord's gives speed (IAS). DS on Highlord's gives more extra dmg than +dex on Cat's Eye.



She's not supposed to last long. It's not a vitazon

Yep, but if you can make her last longer by sacrificing nothing and actually gaining more damage, why not to do it?


...btw, if I'm not mistaken, you need over 15k AR to have ~90% cth against some high def monsters of the game. Im not sure how high you can go with dex alone

[Toppo]

I fail to see why.
More damage?

My base vit Strafe/Witchyzon used a Cat's Eye but would've used Highlord's if I had it :(


(Also used:

Kira's 'Ort'
upped Twitchthroe 'Jewel of Fervor'
Razortail
War Traveler
Raven Frost
Rare dual leech ring

This setup gave her a 8/2 Strafe which is a bit overkill - 9/2 is pretty much as effective - but I just wanted it :p )

[Hrus]

Well, I am building MF Windstrafer, and I like the FRW on Cat's Eye.
For Witchyzon, I would use Cat's Eye for sure, because DS is high anyways.

[Reborn2k]

More damage?
Yes, but it's damn close. I calculated it with a lvl 85 dexazon with 500 dex and a lvl 85 might merc. CS lvl 16 (64%, that's where the diminishing returns kick in). The multishot damage would be:

210 - 3018 in char screen
344 - 4949 with CS calculated in
366 - 5274 with CS and HL
354 - 5103 with CS and CE

So HL does only 12 - 171 more damage. It shouldn't make a huge difference, if you think about that CS/DS is calculated in. You could however say that, the damage bonus of CE is constant and the +dmg on HL is somehow luck dependant. I'd choose HL however for the resistance.

Oh and edit: With Kiras and the malah quest reward it shouldn't be too diffictult to get decent resistances even with equipment aiming at max killing speed. Also that's somehow a contradiction, because Kiras isn't for max killing speed actually...

And: She will be fragile, but I heard that the trick is that with strafe + knockback the monsters won't be able to reach you at all. You can also kill them off-screen. (haven't played one myself)

[LprMan]

Yes, but it's damn close. I calculated it with a lvl 85 dexazon with 500 dex and a lvl 85 might merc. CS lvl 16 (64%, that's where the diminishing returns kick in)

Yepp. And when the zon levels up, HL becomes more and more powerful :)

I have never raised CS on my bowazons that high though. I usually have lvl 10-13 CS and maxed Penetrate for AR. Good chance to hit = more damage.

[Rizzo]

remember tho, Lpr, that Corax wants to use MS.... not strafe

[Reborn2k]

Yepp. And when the zon levels up, HL becomes more and more powerful :)

I have never raised CS on my bowazons that high though. I usually have lvl 10-13 CS and maxed Penetrate for AR. Good chance to hit = more damage.
Ok, but with a pure physical damage bowazon you aren't struggling to have enough skill points at all... ;)

[Corrupted]

Multishot for the win, strafe is the **** :teeth:

I agree on using Highlord's over Cat's.

Also you should be able to max or atleast get high values in the important resistances through charms, because I doubt you have enough uber damage charms. :uhhuh: