What is the best type of level 9 dueler? This is assuming I can use no items besides those I find in the game that I level up to 9.
Jerkazoid
17-11-2005, 05:37
this would be an iron man competition
afaik
the holy fire pally seemed great from the few tournies i was in
a summon necro could be quite cunning as well
TheDanRathersProject
19-11-2005, 22:21
Hammersin is teh cool. Well it was the last time I played in an ironman. I might be very very wrong though.
Freezing Rain
19-11-2005, 23:03
I think i won an ironman competition once with an elemental/shape shifting hybrid.. it was quite funny. I used bear mode to smack them and then switched to artic blast them, then when i had low life i went wolf mode for speed.
Ahh Ironman, good stuff.
None of the previously mentioned builds really strike me as all that good, and I certianly have plenty of ironman experience, but each to his own.
Any sort of restrictions on this ironman, buildwise? There are some builds which are generally not allowed, because they're really cheap, and since everyone is level 9 untwinked, theres no real counter-build. (Holy fire paladin for example)
Unless it's banned, which they occasionally are, due to being somewhat overpowered, a hybrid amazon is my personal favorite. Nobody is going to have CBF, and most people won't think to use thawing potions, though its effective whether they do or not.
Go for a socketed bow, prefereably hunters bow on one switch, and javelins/shield on the other. In the bow, do what you can to get a c. saphire (trading is generally allowed if you're not lucky enough to find one) Other than that, put whatever you've got no other place for in the sockets...
I tend to run a bit short on gems, since theres often quite a few sockets to fill. Do NOT put rubies in your bow though, rubies should all be put towards hat/armor, as they will give you +10 life each, as opposed to some menial fire damage.
Go for socketed armor, socketed hat, belt with whatever mods you can find, +stats, fhr, its pretty much luck of the draw.
Boots, look for fhr or r/w, Gloves again, whateve you can find, not a whole lot of variety here, use common sense...
Rings/amulet generally look for +stats here, theres not a whole lot else useful other than perhaps half freeze duration on an amulet.
Shield, look for something with +blocking, ideally a small shield, good luck finding much else here. If you cant find anything with decent blocking, get something with the best blocking you can find with sockets, and diamond it.
Javelin, whatever you can find... obviously, +dmg or speed is always ideal.
Charms, pretty much whatever you happen to run across leveling to 9, if you're lucky, you'll find +stats.
Stats: I tend to kinda decide as I go, usually depending what shield I have and how my life after items looks. If I've got a great shield, lots of +dex items, I'll get my blocking pretty high (possibly max, though thats a really ideal situation) I tend to find in ironman, especially with this build, 50% blocking is a good level to shoot for. Beyond that, str for gear of course, rest is really your call, vit or dex for blocking. I prefer a balance, as mentioned before... go with too much blocking, and you'll find yourself with a character who has 70% blocking and like 60 life, call me crazy, but I'll take one with 50% blocking and 130 life...
Skills: bear with me here, its been a little while since i've played, and I'm not looking at a skill tree...
As a good default, I'd say 1 CA, 1 CS, 2 dodge, 1 jab, rest poison javelin.
Remember to keep thawing potions in your invintory, ditto on antidotes. Unless they're banned, which they may well be, they're a great resource, use them. In addition, stock up on extra arrows and javelins. You should never, ever have any empty invintory room, theres always things those slots can be used for.
The strategy is simple, freeze people with cold arrow, poison them with poison javelin (lead them a bit with it, it leaves a trail) and shoot them with your arrows. So, cold arrow to freeze, poison javs to poison, jab to poke them if they get up close, if they try to keep distance or circle you, shoot em with normal arrows (mana is annoying, so you'll find yourself using normal arrows a lot, save mana for when they charge you, so you can shoot them with a freezing arrow/poison jav combo as they come at you)
Other good builds are a fist of fire assassin. Fast, packing great fire damage.
Meleemancer. Yep, meleemancer. Sounds weak, but he's got amp damage and bone armor. Learn to use him well and hes great.
Summon druid. Lame lame lame.. I'm not a fan of these, I dont find them fun to play, and I consider them lame, but theres no arguing their effectiveness. Moulten boulder, arctic blast and lots of summons is a nasty combo.
DS barb. No shield, but if you're good with him, you shouldnt really need one, as soon as you're up in your opponents face, its pretty much game over...
good luck
-Matt
Ahh Ironman, good stuff.
None of the previously mentioned builds really strike me as all that good, and I certianly have plenty of ironman experience, but each to his own.
Any sort of restrictions on this ironman, buildwise? There are some builds which are generally not allowed, because they're really cheap, and since everyone is level 9 untwinked, theres no real counter-build. (Holy fire paladin for example)
Unless it's banned, which they occasionally are, due to being somewhat overpowered, a hybrid amazon is my personal favorite. Nobody is going to have CBF, and most people won't think to use thawing potions, though its effective whether they do or not.
-Matt
I have not played lvl 9 since 09 but CBF "sure they are going to have this. Any good lvl 9 will have deaths sash, without it you will loose. I have not kept up with the new builds but it used to be 1. assassin, 2. amazon 3. barb and barb was also a top dueler till the life leach was nerfed.
But CBF is on deaths sash & I recommend this belt as your main belt.
Have fun
Freezing Rain
20-11-2005, 06:14
What's the chance everyone will find a death's sash? Ironman is untwinked.
why hasn't anyone mentiont the bash barb?
What's the chance everyone will find a death's sash? Ironman is untwinked.
Probably 0% chance in Ironman but hey it could happen.
Jerkazoid
20-11-2005, 18:49
the IM comps i had been in outlawed potions. and running is regulated like a boxing match,, u cant just avoid the duel for extended time.
the rules of the Iron man competition will have a big impact on what works and does not
the rules of the Iron man competition will have a big impact on what works and does not
Very true.
Rabbitz, I'm personally not a huge fan of a bash-only barb because its pretty mana intensive with no great backup attack... a double swing/basher is much more practical in my view, and is a pretty good build.
-Matt
was thinking about that to but i'd prefer having a shield, and ok its mana-intensive but i think u get to use mana pots
was thinking about that to but i'd prefer having a shield, and ok its mana-intensive but i think u get to use mana pots
Not interested in the hybrid amazon build? It works wonders if mana potions are allowed... It's good either way, but oh man, when mana is allowed... game over...
-Matt
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