How does Iron Maiden and Throns work in PVP??

[arbing]

hi i just want to know which works better in PvP Iron Maiden or Throns assuming they got the damage percent of damage return.
and please show me the math of how much it will return to the enermy, thanks =)

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

Too lazy to show you the math.

Only thing I can tell you is this.

Iron Maiden < Amp + Thorns > Decrep + Thorns

I guarantee this. 200%. :rolleyes:

[Phyrexial]

All damage return skills (Thorns, IM, etc) are nerfed pretty hard in PvP because of the double PvP penalty. As you know, all damage dealt from one player to another is cut down to 1/6th of it's normal damage. However, when you are talking about damage returned, the 1/6th penalty applies twice. Here's how:

Person A: Casts IM on Person B
Person B: Hits Person A for 3600 listed damage. The damage is cut to 1/6th of the original damage which now comes to 600 damage being dealt to Person A.
Person A: Takes 600 damage from Person B and Iron Maiden then returns 600 damage to Person B. That 600 damage being dealt to Person B is cut by 1/6th also though which means Person B takes a total of 100 damage.

So, that 3600 damage returned is reduced to 100 damage after being put through the 1/6th PvP penalty twice. Once on the way there and again on the way back. If one or both players are using damage reduction gear then this number is further decreased.

[lCE]

This doesnt apply to minions.

[Phyrexial]

This doesnt apply to minions.
Correct, which is why IM+Revives or other minions is still deadly to melee.

[rolling stoned]

isn't a bone wall or bone prison counted as a minion? if so then i would say bone prison/im.

[dkay]

arbing do you have a barb on west with the same name? if so i dueled you in a norm game with my hammerdin heh.

[arbing]

arbing do you have a barb on west with the same name? if so i dueled you in a norm game with my hammerdin heh.

how do you know?? =)

[Muzzy Roberto]

Correct, which is why IM+Revives or other minions is still deadly to melee.


Wait... Skeletons, Golem and Merc's don't get the 1/6th PvP 'bonus'? So a IM does the full damage returned on Skeletons, and such?

[arbing]

Too lazy to show you the math.

Only thing I can tell you is this.

Iron Maiden < Amp + Thorns > Decrep + Thorns

I guarantee this. 200%. :rolleyes:

which one is better?
Amp + Throns
or
Iron Maiden + Throns

assuming both Iron Maiden and Throns have the same damage return

[Phyrexial]

Wait... Skeletons, Golem and Merc's don't get the 1/6th PvP 'bonus'? So a IM does the full damage returned on Skeletons, and such?
Correct.

which one is better?
Amp + Throns
or
Iron Maiden + Throns

assuming both Iron Maiden and Throns have the same damage return
Amp+Thorns.

[arbing]

Correct.


Amp+Thorns.

thanks for the help, almost wasted 20 points in iron maiden :o

[stoutewolf]

thanks for the help, almost wasted 20 points in iron maiden :o

u only need 1 point in amp..the +skills from equip is enough for a huge field :)

[Phyrexial]

u only need 1 point in amp..the +skills from equip is enough for a huge field :)
Also correct. Make sure you don't max amp, the effectiveness remains the same no matter how many points you invest into it. The only thing that increases is the radius of the effect.

[arbing]

Also correct. Make sure you don't max amp, the effectiveness remains the same no matter how many points you invest into it. The only thing that increases is the radius of the effect.

i know (i am not that stupid to actaully put an extra point into amp, just wanna know which works better amp+ throns or im+ throns), cuz i will be using skeles/ revives/ wall/ merc (with lvl 21 throns bramble) against my good friend's barb (without life tap wand).