Mentals theory on the pvp plague/bowazon

[INEEDMENTALHELP]

I had this idea for a long time and im going to post it so i can help you guys perfect it.
Goals
-150 frw this is the bp for desynch as a bowazon
-max block and atleast 40 dr
-7 or 8 frame shot
- Atleast 3k dmg per a second on plague n 5k guided arrow on switch
- decent resists

my questions
1. how much ias for a windforce to hit 8 frames
2. Whats an average damage per a second on a plague javazon
3. what type of damage can a faith bowazon without 32020s pump out?
4. what type of damage can a windforce bowazon with 32020s pump out?


Weapon
Very debatable if comes down to windfoce vrs faith gmb. Faith mat has pathetic damage and most i could hope for was 3k damage with it. So i need eather a faith gmb or windforce. Windforce will give more damage but will be slower.

Weapon switch
Titans no arguements :)

Sheild
Very very debatable ss, and a 2x/5/ die facet mosers are my main ideas. personally im thinking mosers or whistans so i dont have high strength

Armor
160/60 or fort if your using gmb use fort if your using gmb.

Ammy
I like gales grasp if your into dupes or highlords or cats eye. My personal preference would be cats eye, because of the frw and dex

rings
either 2 sojs or 1 soj 1 raven

belt
verdungos i like this

boots
Grim spurs if your into dupes or gore riders or anything else

Helm
120 45 defently

Inventory
Torch anni, 7-8 java gcs and the other spaces filled with 32020s or legit 3/x/x or 3/x/5 frw scs

goal 1 how to meet the 150 frw on bow side
Boots:30
Ammy:30
helm:30
from gear:90
That means ill need 12 3/x/5's frw

Skills
7-8 from gcs depending on if you want to spring for a 30 frw 120 45
3 from torch
1 from anni
3 from java gloves
4 from titans
1 from soj
which will give 53k plague over 18.6 seconds which is dang close to the goal.
If you went hilords you will gain 1 skill and 57k plague over 19 seconds but lose 30 frw then you would have to ditch a gc for 5 frw scs and lose 25 dex. But you would gain light resists and a bit of deadly strike n damage. I personally like the cats eye.

Bowazon side damage
Things im banking on
120 45 30 frw
Faith gmb
39 total damage added from scs before damage screen
Fort adding A TON of damage
Hopefully this will get me atleast 5k guided arrows

Skill breakdown this is the route i like
java side
20 plague
20 psn java

Passive
7 dodge
2 avoid
7 evade
all reach 50 percent
8 into critical strike for 61 percent chance of double dmg
1 into inner site
1 into slow missle

bow side
20 guided
12 multi
2 into prequests

Stat placement idea
str enough for gear probably like 100 or so if going ss
Dex: enough for max block without dex from gear
Vita: everything else


Why this build would rock
It takes alot of the glass cannon out of the bowazon and adds a very powerful side attack.

Instead of having to stay away from your targets now you want them to come to you so they can get a face full of poision. And if they dont want to come to you, then you can win the range game.

So what do you guys think? Will it work or am i wasting everyones time?

[rikkitan]

I have pretty much same build and it does work, somewhat. :) I use faith gmb and fort. got max dam sch's, ga dam is 5 k. For windforce you need 150 ias to reach 8 fps. My plague javelin doea 24 k over 13 seconds, I can get it close to 50 if I use skill charms and other poison enhancing gear but then your ga dam drops to like 2-3k. You will still have a hard time against smiters, chargers, good barbs and ww sins. Elemental druids are a pain too, lets face it zons suck in 111. You need to decide if you want to be more poison or more ga. Frw certainly helps By the way, you are new, dont mention 3/20s here, they get uptight about all dupes. Oh. have LB on switch too, excellent attack with kb against many melee opponents. good luck

[Speederländer]

By the way, you are new, dont mention 3/20s here, they get uptight about all dupes.

Actually, people mention 3/20/20's fairly commonly. Runes are duped by the boatload and are freely talked about as well. Since they are the currency (like it or not), it's hard to ban talk about them without driving away most of the serious players. It's more like "don't ask, don't tell". As long as you don't explicitly endorse dupes or duped items, you can get away with talking about the "currency" items.

[INEEDMENTALHELP]

Im currently running tests on damage without 32020s im still hoping to acheive 6k guided and 56k plague, but what you said does make since.

HEre are the tests iv ran

1. Faith mat bow, fort 120 45 setup
Failed patheticly low damage like 3 guided arrow and just not worth it.

Tests to come
160 60 120 45 windforce setup. I dont see this going to work

Option 3 the one im going with i think
Faith gmb 120 45 setup I think i can get atleast 5k guided off that.

A few questions rik
1. In theory wouldnt elemental druids and barb not be a threat at all?They have to come to you to attack and if you have a powerfull plague it will send them running. If they dont run there getting psned and taking hits while trying to hit me, and a javalin will finish them off.
2.What do you mean it works somewhat? I think it would give bowazons a huge edge
3. Whats your gear setup?

[INEEDMENTALHELP]

Im currently running tests on damage without 32020s im still hoping to acheive 6k guided and 56k plague, but what you said does make since.

HEre are the tests iv ran

1. Faith mat bow, fort 120 45 setup
Failed patheticly low damage like 3 guided arrow and just not worth it.

Tests to come
160 60 120 45 windforce setup. I dont see this going to work

Option 3 the one im going with i think
Faith gmb 120 45 setup I think i can get atleast 5k guided off that.

A few questions rik
1. In theory wouldnt elemental druids and barb not be a threat at all?They have to come to you to attack and if you have a powerfull plague it will send them running. If they dont run there getting psned and taking hits while trying to hit me, and a javalin will finish them off.
2.What do you mean it works somewhat? I think it would give bowazons a huge edge
3. Whats your gear setup?

[INEEDMENTALHELP]

Im currently running tests on damage without 32020s im still hoping to acheive 6k guided and 56k plague, but what you said does make since.

HEre are the tests iv ran

1. Faith mat bow, fort 120 45 setup
Failed patheticly low damage like 3 guided arrow and just not worth it.

Tests to come
160 60 120 45 windforce setup. I dont see this going to work

Option 3 the one im going with i think
Faith gmb 120 45 setup I think i can get atleast 5k guided off that.

A few questions rik
1. In theory wouldnt elemental druids and barb not be a threat at all?They have to come to you to attack and if you have a powerfull plague it will send them running. If they dont run there getting psned and taking hits while trying to hit me, and a javalin will finish them off.
2.What do you mean it works somewhat? I think it would give bowazons a huge edge
3. Whats your gear setup?

[rikkitan]

Im currently running tests on damage without 32020s im still hoping to acheive 6k guided and 56k plague, but what you said does make since.

HEre are the tests iv ran

1. Faith mat bow, fort 120 45 setup
Failed patheticly low damage like 3 guided arrow and just not worth it.

Tests to come
160 60 120 45 windforce setup. I dont see this going to work

Option 3 the one im going with i think
Faith gmb 120 45 setup I think i can get atleast 5k guided off that.

A few questions rik
1. In theory wouldnt elemental druids and barb not be a threat at all?They have to come to you to attack and if you have a powerfull plague it will send them running. If they dont run there getting psned and taking hits while trying to hit me, and a javalin will finish them off.
2.What do you mean it works somewhat? I think it would give bowazons a huge edge
3. Whats your gear setup?

1.In theory perhaps. In reality they telestomp* your a** while avoiding the poison cloud if they r half way decent and trust me they will catch you, frw or not. I use poison as a surprise attack, its relatively easy to avoid. If any of the characters I mentioned are any good you will not beat them except by luck.
2. thats what I meant by somewhat..
3.45/120
faith/fort
nos to hit 7fps w gmb or verds if 8 fps is ok
cats, raven, raven
20ias kb gloves
30 frw w resists and stats duped boots
upped eth titans and ss w 5/5 poison facet
anni, torch and mix of max dam/ frw and max dam/life sc's
my life is around 1800 , I dont use bo since I dont feel like prebufing
*telestomp=tele on top of you

[rikkitan]

Im currently running tests on damage without 32020s im still hoping to acheive 6k guided and 56k plague, but what you said does make since.

HEre are the tests iv ran

1. Faith mat bow, fort 120 45 setup
Failed patheticly low damage like 3 guided arrow and just not worth it.

Tests to come
160 60 120 45 windforce setup. I dont see this going to work

Option 3 the one im going with i think
Faith gmb 120 45 setup I think i can get atleast 5k guided off that.

A few questions rik
1. In theory wouldnt elemental druids and barb not be a threat at all?They have to come to you to attack and if you have a powerfull plague it will send them running. If they dont run there getting psned and taking hits while trying to hit me, and a javalin will finish them off.
2.What do you mean it works somewhat? I think it would give bowazons a huge edge
3. Whats your gear setup?

1.In theory perhaps. In reality they telestomp* your a** while avoiding the poison cloud if they r half way decent and trust me they will catch you, frw or not. I use poison as a surprise attack, its relatively easy to avoid. If any of the characters I mentioned are any good you will not beat them except by luck.
2. thats what I meant by somewhat..
3.45/120
faith/fort
nos to hit 7fps w gmb or verds if 8 fps is ok
cats, raven, raven
20ias kb gloves
30 frw w resists and stats duped boots
upped eth titans and ss w 5/5 poison facet
anni, torch and mix of max dam/ frw and max dam/life sc's
my life is around 1800 , I dont use bo since I dont feel like prebufing
*telestomp=tele on top of you

[SlainByPain]

Plague damage would be somwhere in the 20k-30k range with that setup btw.

[Speederländer]

If you have good FHR, good passives all around, max block and some skill, plague zons can do fairly well against many. You won't beat good tele necs and the like, but it can be entertaining.

[INEEDMENTALHELP]

If you have good FHR, good passives all around, max block and some skill, plague zons can do fairly well against many. You won't beat good tele necs and the like, but it can be entertaining.

yeah so this hybrid would be viable and elemnate a few of a bowazons primary weakness?

The setup i posted will get 53k plague dmg at level 40 plague javalin

[Speederländer]

yeah so this hybrid would be viable and elemnate a few of a bowazons primary weakness?

The setup i posted will get 53k plague dmg at level 40 plague javalin

Yeah, it would do ok I think. You would have to develop techniques to deal with certain classes like ww barbs and chargers that will desync kill you. Your block + passives will help. Feel free to slow missile the crap out of ranged casters when appropriate. Make sure you use your valk and decoy and punch up fast run to the absolute highest you can afford. You won't "own" but I suspect you could do ok with practice and skill.

[INEEDMENTALHELP]

well on the contrary i think this build would own.

heres my theory of dueling each class

Barbs
Ones with enigma guided until they come ot me switch and throw a plague and start chucking lighting bolts. 3k damage per a second should beat his chance to hit you. If not you can play the hit and run game

Druid
Melee range and then plague

Wind
Multishot all there summons to kill them then once he gets there plague javalin, at this point he will eather try to tank or run. If he runs namelocked guided arrows if he tanks run around and shoot arrows.

Bone necros
Range war if he becomes stupid and trys to try and stupid crap slow missle and plague javalin will send him running.

Posion same thing

Summoner plague javalin and multishot

Paladins
Foh easyer then with a bowazon range then plague rinse and repeat

Hammerdin: pub ones will just tele ontop so just run and shoot and throw a couple plagues. Iv never met a skilled one

Auradin: this could be the hardest duel guided vrs auras and charge i dont htink youll win

Smiter: he runs to you with charge you throw javalins this is an uphill battle

Sorcs: play the range game with them youll win

Assasins

Trappers: play bowazon run around be a panzy

Ww: if they come to you plague them and tank ww

Zons
Cs stay away throw a plague
Bowazon range war

[Rabbitz]

isn't taking a ww uhm like death?

[De4dEyE]

isn't taking a ww uhm like death?

Taking a WW from a prepared dueler = a dead zon

[Phyrexial]

Most bone necros will abuse Bone Prison against a non-tele Zon which combined with Decrep should mean your demise. You also won't win a ranged duel with a bone necro that recasts bone armor and has max block.

On the other hand, I have seen a very nice hybrid zon that uses tele. It takes skill to use though. If you are interested, I can PM you a link with means to contact him.

[INEEDMENTALHELP]

im intrested pm me please :)

[omgwtfbbqpwned]

@INEEDMENTALHELP: Mind PM'ing me the information you get about the Hybrid?

[Rauth]

Heh, being somewhat of a windy expert, ill just say you have literally zero chance against a good one. If all else fails(and likely it won't) then the windy can just use doom. Doom> zons period.

Also, plague javalin doesn't seem to hit as well as it should. I swear I've walked right through clouds of the poison Many times and taken no damage. Even if you Do hit with it, it will take Forever to kill someone with. I forget what the duration is, but even 10 seconds is a Long time in a duel.