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Cinslayre
29-10-2005, 11:50
Made a bvc barb since I heard its one of the pvp builds that has no major weaknesses. Sorcs, necro and other casters are most of the time not a problem, unless they are really good. Every time I run into a enigma using hammerdin Im toast... is there a special tactic to use vs them? Tele-ww is not an option, since he does alot more damage then me.
MIght as well list my gear: Arreats (40/5str), metalgrid (my charms arent good enough so I need the ar), enigma, arachnids, 2 x rare fcr rings with ok stats, grief and beast (dooms on switch), draculs and gores. Have about 5.6k life. My ar with this equipment (+enchant) is about 10k.
Greatful for help.
Cinslayer
Made a bvc barb since I heard its one of the pvp builds that has no major weaknesses. Sorcs, necro and other casters are most of the time not a problem, unless they are really good. Every time I run into a enigma using hammerdin Im toast... is there a special tactic to use vs them? Tele-ww is not an option, since he does alot more damage then me.
MIght as well list my gear: Arreats (40/5str), metalgrid (my charms arent good enough so I need the ar), enigma, arachnids, 2 x rare fcr rings with ok stats, grief and beast (dooms on switch), draculs and gores. Have about 5.6k life. My ar with this equipment (+enchant) is about 10k.
Greatful for help.
Cinslayer
Are we talking about desynch lamerdins or regular namelock tele ones?
Btw a quick advice get yourself a nice widowmaker, this sissy-looking bow is pretty damn irritating vs stationery casters. It requires 117 str with a hel rune. Prebuff by zerking some goons, so you get yourself that tasty venom. Switch metalgrid with highlords, and if you got some gloves with +20 ias kb, use them. Helmet with ed/ias is top of the icing.
stoutewolf
29-10-2005, 13:24
Are we talking about desynch lamerdins or regular namelock tele ones?
Btw a quick advice get yourself a nice widowmaker, this sissy-looking bow is pretty damn irritating vs stationery casters. It requires 117 str with a hel rune. Prebuff by zerking some goons, so you get yourself that tasty venom. Switch metalgrid with highlords, and if you got some gloves with +20 ias kb, use them. Helmet with ed/ias is top of the icing.
the dex req is so high on that^^
for myself, using 2x echoing spears for bo, i got double throw :). can cast lifetap on occasion :D
it really is the only duel where i feel the need for some attackrating, using angelics in this duel.thinking about getting a 2barb/20fcr/30run circlet instead of arreat for some more fcr when using angelic
vs tele hammer i win 2/3rd, charge hammer is damn hard, think i'm getting 15-20% vs those :S
mastermind
29-10-2005, 13:56
hammerdin are always a tought fight, most of the ones i duel do that name lock tele or spam hammers then u get hit with a dsync or ghost hammer.
The best advice is the widow maker i use 1 and i stack alot of posion and use GA and it worksprety well.
Just keep teleing and using GA and if u can cast life tap it even better.
I u do end up ww then u need good ar i.e angelic for this fight cuz most of them have high def ad obviously max block making them hard to hit.
F1R3STR1D3R
29-10-2005, 14:45
If they tele on you then they are toast, do short whirl aways if you don't have enough AR (i.e. < 6K), and they have high def. Do tri-ww's if they tele on you, you have ~12K AR, and they have high def. If they remain stationary or desynch charge have Hel Widowmaker on switch while teleing around and shooting GA. And yes it is nice to have knockback on something. Not sure if it works with ww though, confirm?
Cinslayre
29-10-2005, 16:23
Thx for the advice all, had a feeling it would require lots of skill to kill a hammerdin.
THe ones without enigma are never a problem, I just leap and tele-ww when they run.
Its the ones with enigma that are impossible, but I think I have a widowmaker on a mule so I will definitely try that tactic, even though they will probably call me lame or something for using bow :). Think I have enough dex to equip it if I wear two perfect dex ravens. The ravens will up my ar a bit to... around 12-13k I think.
Cinslayer
blobswannabe
30-10-2005, 00:14
with a decked out bvc i can beat 95% of hammerdins wihtout widow, with widow they should be a lot easier. If your barb isn't fully decked out you should problaby consider using widow also you can get a friend to duel youw ith hammerdin in private for practice.
You can't really play aggresively against a decked hammer that knows what he's doing or if he's a pussy runner. So you have to either resort to defensive plays or widowmaker. also 40/15ias arreat would help if you wanna use widow.
F1R3STR1D3R
30-10-2005, 00:17
And yes it is nice to have knockback on something. Not sure if it works with ww though, confirm?
Hmm? :scratch:
mastermind
30-10-2005, 11:24
i dont know if this helps much but i shael my bow for attack speed, but anyway u have to be defence do tele on them and ww, u will die like that cuz u prolly tele into a hammer
i also found it usefull to change my gloves to clegclaw cuz u use the knock back on that and it slows ur target by 25%
Veilside
30-10-2005, 14:00
by the way guided arrows always hit regardless of ar and defence so if you switch to widowmaker bow you could switch out some of your ar gear.
by the way guided arrows always hit regardless of ar and defence so if you switch to widowmaker bow you could switch out some of your ar gear.
The problem is when you try to equip the Widow as a BvC.. in terms of dex, 20 from arreats + 20 from Anni + 20 from Hellfire + 40 for x2 Raven + 20 base = 120. You're gonna be stuck with that equip anyway, even if you Hel the widow. :p
hammerdins are kinda ez on a barb.
slow doesnt really work enough to stop desync, but the kb helps alot in messing them up when they try to cast hammers while desynced (using arrows).
if u can switch into duress, u can afford to lose the ow for dracs and use clegs.
of course this isnt possible for all vita barbs. being able to switch out enigma makes hdins die so much faster. either massive dmg from fort, or high cb/ow from duress.
kuolonvalkeus
30-10-2005, 23:54
I use vs hammerdin botd/doom, and i dont have any prob. :D
I havn't run into any problems fighting hams after putting fortitude and grief on barb. This includes desync charging hams and hams I had difficulty with before. Fortitude widow, especially with venom, hurts a lot. I find angelics work better also. 30k AR is good, pretty much always hits when whirling.
when i used to specifically duel hdins, i never need angelics, but since ive stopped playing d2 alot there's actually a hdin on east that can beat me 1on1 gm.
guess 12k ar isnt cutting it.
im still using duress, i dont think i can part with the ow.
I havn't run into any problems fighting hams after putting fortitude and grief on barb. This includes desync charging hams and hams I had difficulty with before. Fortitude widow, especially with venom, hurts a lot. I find angelics work better also. 30k AR is good, pretty much always hits when whirling.
Hrmm, I usually just make all-vita barbs, so adding str is weird to me. O_o So your build has str built into it? 30 base + 20 torch + 20 Anni + 15 dracs = 85 str. Hmm if you use Angelics, how do you equip your arreats/otherweapons? OW belt with +str and the rest made up by points added to base? 20~ str + 85 = 105, so you have like 13 str to make up for an Arreats, then you can equip your grief/beast. Am I right? =]
I haven't ran any tests.. but wouldn't the OW/DS/CB from dracs/gores/highlords be enough that you might as well use a Fort instead of extra OW from duress?
Err yeah, also, how do you equip your widow? Points into dex?
64/57 base dex (44/37 if you account for a perf torch).
64/57 base dex (44/37 if you account for a perf torch).
Hmm, so you pumped up the base 30\20 str\dex to 64\57? Figures.. I thought a perf torch would make any addition to base stats other than vitality uneeded.
Veilside
01-11-2005, 17:38
The problem is when you try to equip the Widow as a BvC.. in terms of dex, 20 from arreats + 20 from Anni + 20 from Hellfire + 40 for x2 Raven + 20 base = 120. You're gonna be stuck with that equip anyway, even if you Hel the widow. :p
he's using a metalgrid amulet though which could be switched out for a highlords or cats eye for some extra ias. cats eye also adds to dex and more dex on bow = greater damage.
he's using a metalgrid amulet though which could be switched out for a highlords or cats eye for some extra ias. cats eye also adds to dex and more dex on bow = greater damage.
Hmm, I thought he was using Angelic ammy + rings for AR + Widowmaker, since he listed both in his post. mcm, you use metalgrids? O_o
Cinslayre
01-11-2005, 19:32
Hehe I doubt anyone besides me uses metalgrid :D need it because the ar from my charms are mostly crap... with metalgrid + enchant I can hit ~9.5k.
Thx for the advice all. I will have to use 2 x ravens to use widomaker but thats not a problem, my ar will be high enough without angelics I think.
Tried widowmaker yesterday on a good hammerdin... didnt seem to hurt him that much, mostly pissed him off :p Maybe with fortitude it will hurt some more, was thinking of getting a fort anyway for quicker killing in melee duels.
Cinslayer
dracs+gores+ duress makes it hurt alot.
if u cant use duress, try an ow belt with mods like: 24fhr, +life, +strength, 10%OW.
a +30 strength one might even let u take off enigma.
76% ow with bow? that is gg vs 99% of hdins.
ThePanzyLord
06-11-2005, 00:34
hey this is the first time that i actually replied to any fourm ever on the internet :)
im just wondering wut the bvc stand for
thx
:clap:
Valvolux
06-11-2005, 00:50
ThePanzyLord Bvc stands for Barbarian versus casters (ie. any non-melee char)
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