New Zon-Input?

[Thy Tempest]

Hey all,

Im planning to make a new zon, lemme know if you think this sounds good

Gear- Up'd Lycanders or Up'd WWS (probably the wws)
Depending on if i do LF or not, Titans/Gerkes/Splendor (input here plz)
or, if i dont do java skills, probably a Buriza or something for cold dmg

Razortail or Nosferatus (input here too plz)
Raven/Leech Ring
Waterwalks or some nice resist boots i found
LoH,Rare/Crafted if i can find
Treachery Maybe? nice ias, peace and stone also allright, depends on
build i choose (input here and gloves plz)
Andys/Tals/Stealskull
Cats Eye

I Def want strafe as a skill, but no sure wether to pair it with Psn Java skills, LF(with or without any syns? input), or to just do a Strafe/FA or Strafe/IA
keep in mind here, that if i use WWS, i have a good magic arrow, so not sure if pts in more bow skills is worth it

anyway

20 strafe
17 Valk with +skils
~5-7 D/A/E
~10 in Peirce/Crit/Penetrate (Cumelatively, if thats how you spell it :) )
20 LF
Rest in Charged Strike ?

or

20 strafe
17 valk with + skills
~5-7 D/A/E
~10 P/C/P
20 Freezing
Rest Ice , or replace freezing and ice with immolation and explosive.

I am wanting a hell viable character, which any of these should be, with phys dmg, magic dmg from WWS, and either cold/fire or light

Tks for the advice
Tempest

[TrubbaNot]

I took the advice of some people here and made an FA/Strafer. She is definitely viable in Hell; she's even switched out some equipment for MF stuff and can handle Pit runs (thanks to the loan of an Insight for her merc).

Mephy was kind enough to drop a WWS on demand :lol: and someone gifted her with an Eye of Etlich (but she is using a +skills/MF/some other mod rare for pits.) Razortail is her normal belt, but doing ok using Goldwrap with iirc 5 points in pierce so far.

Others more experienced than I will surely step in with more equipment recommendations and points placement. I need to list my equipment for a friend, so if you're interested I can add it to this post, too -- but the best advice will come from those who have played many zons.

[Thy Tempest]

I was thinking the same thing, but a java/strafe would eat cows for "mfing" socketables

any other advice?

[Omikron8]

20 LF
20 strafe
17 valk
base D/A/E
maxed penetrate
1 pt crit (WWS) or 50%+ (other)
65%+ pierce

the last thing you want with strafe is good D/A/E

-cat's eye
-tal's/andy's/stealskull sounds good
-upped WWS, upped lycander's sucks even for frostmaidens
-LoH
-Raven + leech ring or 2x raven if stealskull/tal's mask for helm
-Treachery/Lionheart/Smoke/Twitch/Chains of Honor (if rich)/Fort (same)
-Gores/War Travs, waterwalks don't boost you offensively to any meaningful degree
-Nos Coil if you need 10 IAS for an extra BP, otherwise razortail

[Thy Tempest]

So for my ias, i have

20-Cats Eye
45-Treachery
15-Jewel in whichever helm, not counting 20 from andy's in case i dont use
At least one shael in WWS , so 20

that gives me 100, and i need 113 for last strafe bp ttbomk
Ways of obtaining this are

20-Gloves (probably going to use LoH anyway so problem solved)
Another shael in WWS(15/xx jewel too expensive)
Nosferatus, but would prefer Razortail to conserve pts
Andy's- high lvl req, would need another ring to get mana leech

What should i put in WWS, taking into account im not rich

I need at least one shael
my thoughts are shael/shael, shael/nef, shael/eth(will this work in a bow?) or shael/+max dmg jewel

any thoughts on gear?
temp
EDIT: Will LF be strong enough unsynergized? I know they only do 1% , but still.

[Omikron8]

2x shael in WWS

pvm knockback is overrated if you know how to position valk/decoy and merc

Level 20 LF with no synergies and a CRACKED JAVELIN is sick in hell against non light immune monster packs, if your pierce is 50-100%

It is such a godly skill that it makes lightning STRIKE look like garbage, even when strike has lots of synergies invested

[Bigru]

nevermind, confused

[Humphrey]

the last thing you want with strafe is good D/A/E

Why? It doesn't interupt the strafe.

[Thy Tempest]

Allright, im going the LF route, what shield should i use?

I dont think i want to go much above my other str req, (89 for diamond bow), so less than 100 or so would be good

SS is a lot, as is spirit, even gerkes is quite a bit more

any suggestions?

[Thy Tempest]

After thinking a bit more, maybe the spirit is worth it, but i dunno.
Maybe a lidless or Splendor for a quick +skill?

again, base str for rest of gear is 89.

Input here please!!

[YogiRat]

Rhyme in a high block(bone, grim, troll-nest etc.) shield, Mosers, Whitstans.

[superdave]

Why? It doesn't interupt the strafe.

yes it will mess up strafe.....you will see the completed animation but none of those arrows are going to hit anything....stand a strafer close to a hydra or a bunch of flayers for proof.....sometimes it is better to take the hit.

[Thy Tempest]

Block shouldnt be an issue for this hybrid, ill have a lot of dex anyway, so a good block would be inherent on any shield.

More input.

[YogiRat]

yes it will mess up strafe.....you will see the completed animation but none of those arrows are going to hit anything....stand a strafer close to a hydra or a bunch of flayers for proof.....sometimes it is better to take the hit.

not if you play hardcore ;)

[YogiRat]

Block shouldnt be an issue for this hybrid, ill have a lot of dex anyway, so a good block would be inherent on any shield.

More input.

So go for the Lidless, Tiamat's or a Ward. Splendor is a caster shield. So is Lidess but hey, it's your zon, go with whatever you want. :lol:

[Humphrey]

yes it will mess up strafe.....you will see the completed animation but none of those arrows are going to hit anything....stand a strafer close to a hydra or a bunch of flayers for proof.....sometimes it is better to take the hit.

Really? I've not seen this mentioned before.

[Omikron8]

It's true

your zon will seem like she is still strafing but in reality server side she is stuck in evasion animation and nothing is coming out

no life leech coming from strafe --> dead zon

[Humphrey]

Well she's level 87 and I'd not noticed it doing that before, but I had notice it save her life many, many times. So even if it does interrupt the strafe (which I think it does now), D/A/E are still worth a few points IMO.

[Thy Tempest]

Im glad you guys are clearing up the D/A/E issue, but i havent gotten much in the way of shields...

[Humphrey]

I don't use shields much, can't really help you. Stormshield is mentioned in a few lightning javazon guides I think, worth a look maybe?

[Thy Tempest]

Im hesitant to put up 67 more stats in str for a ss/spirit monarch