Some Q's About a BvA

[Ce Olba]

Well, after using a BvC for quite a while, i decided to make a BvA, just so that i can have max block, and no be dependant on enigma. To come to this, i had to calculate +dex and +str, which would be:

30 dex/str (Botd)
+18 dex/str (torch)
+10 dex/str (anni)
+13 str (draculs)
+20 dex (arreat)
+10 dex (angelics)

With this said, i would need 101-18-13-10=60 str, but i decided to go with 65 so that i can use storm and stuff life eni archon/duress archon. And as for max block, i decided that 193 dex is a good number, so get to this, i would have to get dex to 193-30-18-10-20-10=105, which sounds good. So far i got the the stats plan as:

65 str
105 dex
rest vita

So, the life i would get:

174 for +2 life/lvl at 87
55 starting life
354 from charms (i know, crap)
38 (pruby in arreats)

and +vitality
30 botd
18 torch
10 anni
34 dungo (only in BvB mode)
total 58 (92 in BvB mode)

So, the life would be
(87*5)+15=450
450-105-65=280
280*4=1120
1120+55+354+38+174=1741
1741*2.82(lvl 50 bo)=4909.62=4909
4909+((30+18+10)*4)=5141

This would be my life without enigma, without dungo. With enigma i got 5228, with dungo i got 5277, with both i got 5364.

Skills i would have

6 leap
20 shout
20 bo
20 ww
20 mastery
2 natres/ironskin/incspeed

With this i have 6+1+2+1+1+4+3+1=19 leap in BvC mode, so full screen. And i also have lvl 50 bo and 47 shout with prebuff.

As for gear i got:
9 Wc sks
5 bo deli
eni
stormshield
beast ba
botd ba
arreat
angelics
2rfrosts
highlord
dungo
tgod
arachnid
160 light res shield
draculs

But i dunno if all of that fits to my inv, i doubt, so i will see your opinions about what is top-notch necessary of those and what is useless/not needed.

Anyone think this could prove successful? And don't come telling me how i NEED TO/COULD get Doom Ba's or Grief Ba's or Coa 'BerBer' or 37x 20 life sc's, ain't gonna work for me, can't afford those right now. And i know u might come and say that i SHOULD be able to afford that stuff, but i can't so i can't.

[mastermind]

nice setup but i would consider holding a forti arm in ur stash for other barbs but yeah ur setup is very stable also i would say carry a demonlimb in ur stash and maybe some resistance gear to deal with hig dmg sorcs or trappers or ppl who deal out huge elemental dmg.

So this means carring a hotspurs or something that can give u 90 res on equipment for a certain element dmg

[RetroStar]

Just remember +vit isn't affected by bo. Didnt read through your calculations so I'm not sure if you factored those in.

The resist shield isn't need as tgod is probably enough. I'll put that shield last on my list and stick it in when you have space.

Err so you don't want any weapon recommendation cause you can't afford them so I'm not gonna make any.

[Ce Olba]

Just remember +vit isn't affected by bo. Didnt read through your calculations so I'm not sure if you factored those in.

The resist shield isn't need as tgod is probably enough. I'll put that shield last on my list and stick it in when you have space.

Err so you don't want any weapon recommendation cause you can't afford them so I'm not gonna make any.

Well, the reason i don't want them coz i know all they would be, would suggest getting a grief. Or fury. And well, i didn't multiply +vita with gear, no worries. (4909+((30+18+10)*4)=5141)

[RetroStar]

Is Duress cheap enough then? It's good for melee.

[Ce Olba]

Is Duress cheap enough then? It's good for melee.

i've been thinking, i might use either duress or my almost perf levi, depends if i can scrap off an um and a 3 soc armor to make a duress myself.

[RetroStar]

i've been thinking, i might use either duress or my almost perf levi, depends if i can scrap off an um and a 3 soc armor to make a duress myself.

Duress > Levi.. Levi offers DR which you do not need since you'll have dungo and SS already. Duress clearly wins out.

[luis19]

if ur dueling bvb's with a bva, going the OW route would be best since they will almost always have: higher AR, higher dmg, more def than u.

also ur build seems to have low life too. my old bva had 6k life, so for this reason OW is even more crucial since a good bvb barb will also have more life than u.

[newerest]

if ur dueling bvb's with a bva, going the OW route would be best since they will almost always have: higher AR, higher dmg, more def than u.

also ur build seems to have low life too. my old bva had 6k life, so for this reason OW is even more crucial since a good bvb barb will also have more life than u.
most of the BvB's I see have like..4k life.

I would definitely recommend using Duress. It is a nice armor.

[luis19]

lol? good bvbers ive seen are 5.6k life, and that was before torch.

[Ce Olba]

lol? good bvbers ive seen are 5.6k life, and that was before torch.

mmm. Yea, that's GOOD, which i think u mean ppl with say. 39x 20 life scs and such. Myself, i have only a few 1x life scs, a few 3x life lcs, a few 3x life gcs. Ofc i would have about 5-7k life if i had 37x 20 life scs.

// i just calculated how much life i would have with 37x 20 life scs, and it gave me a number of 6293.95 at lvl 87 And that's without dungo but with a pruby arreat.

// with a jahed arreat i got a number of 6290.1 at lvl 87.

// I had totally forgotten the Golden Bird quest life, with that, lvl 90, and pure vita, and 37x 20 life scs i end up with 6986.1 life. And on those starting calculationg i had forgotten the base str and base dex. Gonna re-calculate as soon as possible

//Here goes:

Base life:
(87x5)+15=450
450-35-85=335 (i removed the actual points in dex and str)
335*4=1340

+life from gear&charms&quests&baselife
1340+60+174+55+354=1983
1983*2.85=5651.55 life so far (lvl51bo)
5651+((30+10+18+34)*4)=5651+368=6019. And this is WITHOUT 20 life scs and such.

Now with 37x20life scs, perf torch, perf anni, perf dungo and pruby arreat (pruby gives more life than Jah coz of my high bo lvl)

1340+60+174+55+740+38=2407
2407*2.85=6859.95
6859+((30+40+20+20)*4)=6859+440=7299

So, could you plz stfu about how a "good" BvA has 6.5k life, coz that simply sucks. (this life that i've calculated is yet nothing, think of lvl 95 and lvl 54 bo)

[Ce Olba]

if ur dueling bvb's with a bva, going the OW route would be best since they will almost always have: higher AR, higher dmg, more def than u.

also ur build seems to have low life too. my old bva had 6k life, so for this reason OW is even more crucial since a good bvb barb will also have more life than u.

Mmm, lets see, how can they have more def than me, if i prebuff with lvl 47 shout and use say, over 1600 def armor? Plz tell me. Even tho they might have points in ironskin, i will always have 1 pt in it, which will give me about 8 or so ironskin, and lvl 47 shout. My mate has a bvb, and he says he got 8 points in ironskin and lvl 34 shout. now, lets see, he has 70% more def coz of ironskin, right? But, i got 130% more def than he coz of higher shout, now, 130%-70%=60% so i got 60% more def than they do. And i miscalculated that life, see my post above for more accurate. And mmm, yea, u are right about ar, that's if they use 32020's, or ar/lifes, or fury. And yes, they will have more dmg coz of their points in str.

[RetroStar]

Mmm, lets see, how can they have more def than me, if i prebuff with lvl 47 shout and use say, over 1600 def armor? Plz tell me. Even tho they might have points in ironskin, i will always have 1 pt in it, which will give me about 8 or so ironskin, and lvl 47 shout. My mate has a bvb, and he says he got 8 points in ironskin and lvl 34 shout. now, lets see, he has 70% more def coz of ironskin, right? But, i got 130% more def than he coz of higher shout, now, 130%-70%=60% so i got 60% more def than they do. And i miscalculated that life, see my post above for more accurate. And mmm, yea, u are right about ar, that's if they use 32020's, or ar/lifes, or fury. And yes, they will have more dmg coz of their points in str.

Why can't they prebuff with lvl 47+ shout and use 2-3k+ def armour. They'll have more points into iron skin than you.

Your friend's BvB doesn't represent any of the good BvBs out there.

So you're gonna switch out 9 WC gcs for the 20life scs??

[Ce Olba]

Why can't they prebuff with lvl 47+ shout and use 2-3k+ def armour. They'll have more points into iron skin than you.

Your friend's BvB doesn't represent any of the good BvBs out there.

So you're gonna switch out 9 WC gcs for the 20life scs??

Yes I would, if i had 20life scs, but i don't, so no worries, as i stated, i don't have 20 life scs. And if i would have, i wouldn't switch, coz i will have inv full, so no 2 free spots for each wc sk switch.
Owh and, my friend is not such a good BvB. I mean, he doesn't have stuff like grief, forti, 32020's, he has mainly psn charms, duress dusk, botd ba 398. But sometimes he uses razor's edge for OW.

[newerest]

I don't see why people say that ebotdz is so much worse than grief, yes, grief has a higher average damage, but ebotd also gives +30 attributes, making it fairly balanced.

[Ce Olba]

I don't see why people say that ebotdz is so much worse than grief, yes, grief has a higher average damage, but ebotd also gives +30 attributes, making it fairly balanced.

Well, ofc there are ppl who think that dmg>all, but myself, i could've gotten a grief to my barb, but i hate the repair costs, coz the durability is so low, plus imo grief's only good things are ds, avg dmg and venom, otherwise botd>grief.

[De4dEyE]

Other than the +stats.. what exactly does a BoTD have over Grief? And no, leech in PvP is always negligable... so explain. Grief has venom, -% poison resist which helps the venom, +damage which adds an insane amount of pain on every hit, and deadly strike.

If you wanted to, you could simply plan out your stats, and it's pretty easy to make a pure vita BvC. Str is not an issue here since a lot [a lot] of items add to strength, so I'm going to just factor dex/vit. Since this is a BvA, you save yourself 30 hard points into dex for max block, which = about 120 HP, and after a lvl 34~ BO that's about 270? life. Add that to 30 straight into Vit [which is not affected by BO], that's another 120 HP. So you're trading a possible straight up 400 damage, some poison damage, and deadly strike for about 400 life, if I calced it correctly. This is, of course, considering that this build will be mainly going after casters and thus this a dual wielding outlook was used.

To recap: Using Grief gives you DS, venom with added -% poison resist, up to +400 damage and some very minor fire damage. Using a EBotD gives you +30 to all stats, only of which dex and vit is of any real use, and ends up giving you about 400 extra more life. IIRC, EBotD has better maximum damage. Right.

[poofamily]

Why can't they prebuff with lvl 47+ shout and use 2-3k+ def armour. They'll have more points into iron skin than you.

Your friend's BvB doesn't represent any of the good BvBs out there.

So you're gonna switch out 9 WC gcs for the 20life scs??
Hmm... a few mistakes here my bvb has 8 BASE points in iron skin and 14 with my gear.my bo level is 37. my bvb is not one of the good bvb's but i still beat
50% of the barbs in most bvb games and the only reason i lose the other 50%
is because i can't afford grief ba and forti. and about the 2-3k def armors,
you mean stone? cause if you do it only shows how little you know about bvb
cause everyone knows that perfect duress beats stone in bvb.

[mastermind]

Mmm, lets see, how can they have more def than me, if i prebuff with lvl 47 shout and use say, over 1600 def armor? Plz tell me. Even tho they might have points in ironskin, i will always have 1 pt in it, which will give me about 8 or so ironskin, and lvl 47 shout. My mate has a bvb, and he says he got 8 points in ironskin and lvl 34 shout. now, lets see, he has 70% more def coz of ironskin, right? But, i got 130% more def than he coz of higher shout, now, 130%-70%=60% so i got 60% more def than they do. And i miscalculated that life, see my post above for more accurate. And mmm, yea, u are right about ar, that's if they use 32020's, or ar/lifes, or fury. And yes, they will have more dmg coz of their points in str.

hmm u missed the point completely, wots to say they cant prebuff like u and still have a armour which is over 1600 def like a sacred armour on forti and still u have to include iron skin as well.

[RetroStar]

Hmm... a few mistakes here my bvb has 8 BASE points in iron skin and 14 with my gear.my bo level is 37. my bvb is not one of the good bvb's but i still beat
50% of the barbs in most bvb games and the only reason i lose the other 50%
is because i can't afford grief ba and forti. and about the 2-3k def armors,
you mean stone? cause if you do it only shows how little you know about bvb
cause everyone knows that perfect duress beats stone in bvb.

I never mentioned stone in my post did I. Please don't put words in my mouth.

There are a lot of armours out there with the current armour bug that can reach 2-3k.

Get a Fury.