Another milestone reached in Iraq

[llad12]

A very unfortunate one ...


WASHINGTON - The U.S. military announced the death of an American soldier wounded in Iraq on Tuesday, bringing to 2,000 the number of American service members killed since the war started in 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9772398/)

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Did you ever wonder what 2000 looks like? (http://theunitedamerican.blogs.com/Movies/2000A/2000.html)

Pray for peace

[AeroJonesy]

Pray for peace

Believe me, I do.

[Garbad_the_Weak]

God llad, stop.

Garbad

[Omikron8]

yes stop please

don't anger the warmongers

[Ash Housewares]

I could watch if I didn't have to be forcefed vomit at the same time, who thinks this honors their memory?

[mhl12]

The U.S. is at war. Unfortunately, there has to be casualties... otherwise, we would have won by now.

[{KOW}Spazed]

I could watch if I didn't have to be forcefed vomit at the same time, who thinks this honors their memory?
I agree not to mention it was like a temp's first try at powerpoint. . .using a different text transition/fade in for every line. . .

I would be pissed off if someone used my image like that.

[Ash Housewares]

I agree not to mention it was like a temp's first try at powerpoint

that was pretty sickening too, but I toughed through it, and I'll never get those excruciating moments of my life back

[Dondrei]

I'll remember those troops the same way I remember the ANZACs that died at Gallipoli - as poor saps who got slaughtered because of the incompetence of their superiors (in this case the Bush Administration).

[llad12]

God llad, stop.

Garbad

I'l be more than willingly to Garb ... as soon as this outrageous, God-forsaken conflict is over.


I could watch if I didn't have to be forcefed vomit at the same time, who thinks this honors their memory?

There is no glory in war Ash. Those fine young people are gone forevermore. Their lives cut short fighting a war ... for no good reason.

The list of casualties increases everyday, and the victims are not just Americans.

Did that clip make your emotions seeth? It's painful, isn't it? It's hard to look upon their faces instead of reading about some numbers or cold statistics.

I put that link up for a reason.

Tell me sir, does it make your blood boil?

Save your anger for those who are ultimately responsible this terrible tragedy.

[AeroJonesy]

Did that clip make you angry? Does it make your blood boil?

Save your anger for those who are ultimately responsible this terrible tragedy.

Well if we're getting mad at the fact that people are pimping pictures of dead soldiers to prove a political point, I'd say the anger in this thread has been saved for "those ultimately responsible for this (http://theunitedamerican.blogs.com/Movies/2000A/2000.html) terrible tragedy."

[Geeno]

They repeated a lot of pics.

[Garbad_the_Weak]

It's hard to look upon their faces...Funny you say that. I was thinking how ugly and stupid most of them looked. If the price of keeping gas cheap is only a handful of ugly/stupid looking people, I am all for the war. :thumbsup:

Garbad

[Ash Housewares]

There is no glory in war Ash. Those fine young people are gone forevermore. Their lives cut short fighting a war ... for no good reason.

The list of casualties increases everyday, and the victims are not just Americans.

Did that clip make your emotions seeth? It's painful, isn't it? It's hard to look upon their faces instead of reading about some numbers or cold statistics.

I put that link up for a reason.

Tell me sir, does it make your blood boil?

Save your anger for those who are ultimately responsible this terrible tragedy.

I already complained about puke, I don't want more of it

[Module88]

There is no glory in war Ash. Those fine young people are gone forevermore. Their lives cut short fighting a war ... for no good reason.

The list of casualties increases everyday, and the victims are not just Americans.

Did that clip make your emotions seeth? It's painful, isn't it? It's hard to look upon their faces instead of reading about some numbers or cold statistics.

I put that link up for a reason.

Tell me sir, does it make your blood boil?

Save your anger for those who are ultimately responsible this terrible tragedy.

Well, I was going to take a break today from the forums, but then I saw this.

Ash, I'm glad someone else believes the people who died over there deserve more than a .2 second display on a politically motivated flash. More, if their pictures were repeated- but certainly not enough to do them justice.

You're damn right llad- you did put that link up for a reason. But it wasn't to commemorate the bravery of the thousands of Americans who have died. It wasn't to remember them or honor their memory. It was to spew out more anti-war comments, and while I'm ok with dissenting opinion, I take offense to those who will use the deaths of thousands of Americans in such a manner. They deserve more than that. Shame on you.

Want to use their pictures to talk about your anti-war views? Give them a little more than about .2 seconds of air time please. Ash and I think they deserve it. I thought you supported the troops too?

[Dondrei]

You're damn right llad- you did put that link up for a reason. But it wasn't to commemorate the bravery of the thousands of Americans who have died. It wasn't to remember them or honor their memory. It was to spew out more anti-war comments, and while I'm ok with dissenting opinion, I take offense to those who will use the deaths of thousands of Americans in such a manner. They deserve more than that. Shame on you.

Want to use their pictures to talk about your anti-war views? Give them a little more than about .2 seconds of air time please. Ash and I think they deserve it. I thought you supported the troops too?

Right, and the constant drone of "support our troops" isn't a political point. Net effect: pro-war agenda is okay, anti-war agenda is abusing dead soldiers.

[Module88]

Right, and the constant drone of "support our troops" isn't a political point. Net effect: pro-war agenda is okay, anti-war agenda is abusing dead soldiers.

I don't use death for political agendas. You might find or use it for political reasons, but I certainly don't.

As for the last part, maybe you didn't read


Want to use their pictures to talk about your anti-war views? Give them a little more than about .2 seconds of air time please. Ash and I think they deserve it. I thought you supported the troops too?

Want to use death for your political agenda? At LEAST give the people who died what they deserve. That too much to ask?

And by the way, I'm anti-war. So the second part as a whole is incorrect just on that point.

[Dondrei]

I don't use death for political agendas. You might find or use it for political reasons, but I certainly don't.

As for the last part, maybe you didn't read



Want to use death for your political agenda? At LEAST give the people who died what they deserve. That too much to ask?

And by the way, I'm anti-war. So the second part as a whole is incorrect just on that point.

Your position on the war is irrelevant, I was talking about your assertion that it's not okay to post images of dead soldiers if you're against the war. And your use of "support the troops" in this context implies that you think that llad's saying that the 2000 dead is a waste of American lives sullies their name.

[Module88]

Your position on the war is irrelevant, I was talking about your assertion that it's not okay to post images of dead soldiers if you're against the war. And your use of "support the troops" in this context implies that you think that llad's saying that the 2000 dead is a waste of American lives sullies their name.

It's not ok, as far as I believe, to exploit death for a political agenda without honoring their memory. But, if you ARE going to do so, the very very very very very least you could do is honor their memory with more than a .2 second image of their face. Not only is that annoying and wrong to me, it's disrespectful to them.

Worse, it implies that they are nothing more than numbers. That they aren't significant. If they were, they would have gotten more than less than a second of time in that movie. That is called exploiting death for the political agenda while completely ignoring their memory. And THAT, is disrespectful. At least to me.

As for the last part, I'm not particularly concerned with how he said it. I'm concerned with the way the movie went. I think they deserve more than, at the very least (and let's be realistic) a second in that movie. More is obviously preferable.

That movie does sully their name. It takes away the representation of their memory and implies that they are not individuals each with special lives, but merely numbers in a war that should end. Then, they end it with "that's not 2000, that's just the 500 killed in January." They only forgot to mention they repeated a few images. Maybe you don't think they deserve more than what that video gave them, but I certainly do. Maybe you think it's ok to make a politically motivated movie exploiting death without properly honoring those who died, but I certainly don't. And I'm not alone.


Edit: Oh, and by the way, that movie was disgusting. Not for what it showed, but for what it didn't show- the individuals who gave their lives in this war.

Personally, Llad, I knew you were a bit on the liberal side. But this is just sick. In some respects, it's more disgusting than the very war you are protesting.

[Ash Housewares]

Your position on the war is irrelevant, I was talking about your assertion that it's not okay to post images of dead soldiers if you're against the war. And your use of "support the troops" in this context implies that you think that llad's saying that the 2000 dead is a waste of American lives sullies their name.

using dead men to further your political point is not tolerable and this was hardly a fitting memorial, I don't see how you could have twisted what module wrote to come up with what you're saying, but have fun mr. spin

[Ranger14]

It never ceases to amaze me that some people can't differentiate between supporting our troops and supporting the war. Two different issues. Using photos of dead military to promote an anti-war theme is pathetic. It does nothing to honor their sacrifice.

You can cry about the 2,000 deaths all you want, but those soldiers willingly gave up their lives. That is part of what a soldier does. They sacrifice their lives on a daily basis. Death in war or outside of war sucks, but it is part of life. Actually, I was somewhat surprised it has only been 2,000 deaths. I would expect it to be much higher after two years.

[Dondrei]

It's not ok, as far as I believe, to exploit death for a political agenda without honoring their memory. But, if you ARE going to do so, the very very very very very least you could do is honor their memory with more than a .2 second image of their face. Not only is that annoying and wrong to me, it's disrespectful to them.

Worse, it implies that they are nothing more than numbers. That they aren't significant. If they were, they would have gotten more than less than a second of time in that movie. That is called exploiting death for the political agenda while completely ignoring their memory. And THAT, is disrespectful. At least to me.

As for the last part, I'm not particularly concerned with how he said it. I'm concerned with the way the movie went. I think they deserve more than, at the very least (and let's be realistic) a second in that movie. More is obviously preferable.

That movie does sully their name. It takes away the representation of their memory and implies that they are not individuals each with special lives, but merely numbers in a war that should end. Then, they end it with "that's not 2000, that's just the 500 killed in January." They only forgot to mention they repeated a few images. Maybe you don't think they deserve more than what that video gave them, but I certainly do. Maybe you think it's ok to make a politically motivated movie exploiting death without properly honoring those who died, but I certainly don't. And I'm not alone.

I don't get it, the purpose of the clip is to put a face to every one of those 2000 (although they only get through 500). It doesn't reduce them to numbers, it's trying to do the opposite.

Even if they gave each picture one second, that would still wind up being over half an hour long. If they got one minute (enough to introduce themselves and say something about their lives) that would be 33 hours long. I think with six minutes you get the point.


Edit: Oh, and by the way, that movie was disgusting. Not for what it showed, but for what it didn't show- the individuals who gave their lives in this war.

I was disappointed that there weren't any naked girls. I watch six minutes of video off the internet and there's no nudity? Rip-off.


Personally, Llad, I knew you were a bit on the liberal side. But this is just sick. In some respects, it's more disgusting than the very war you are protesting.

Hail to King Hyperbole! :king:

[Dondrei]

To everyone: define "support the troops" if you plan to say it. You seem to think it covers a lot more than the words actually do.


using dead men to further your political point is not tolerable and this was hardly a fitting memorial,

He didn't carve "no war" onto their cadavers, he showed pictures of them to drive home the human cost of the war. That's hardly "using dead men". And would it be a fitting memorial if someone gave a "we'll win this war" speech at their funeral? Proclaiming a pro-war position in this context is no different from proclaiming an anti-war position.


I don't see how you could have twisted what module wrote to come up with what you're saying, but have fun mr. spin

I will, but you needn't be so formal, Mr Housewares. In any case, it's Doctor Spin.

[Module88]

I don't get it, the purpose of the clip is to put a face to every one of those 2000 (although they only get through 500). It doesn't reduce them to numbers, it's trying to do the opposite.

No, the purpose of the clip was to motivate people to end the war. It wasn't designed to commemorate their deeds or their memory. If you think it was designed to commemorate them, then you're twisted.


Even if they gave each picture one second, that would still wind up being over half an hour long. If they got one minute (enough to introduce themselves and say something about their lives) that would be 33 hours long. I think with six minutes you get the point.

Which is exactly why they should have gotten more than 30 seconds. Odds are, they won't be able to introduce themselves on video. Why? Because they are dead. They should at least get five seconds and maybe a bit of background. At least enough so that we can recognize them.

Within 30 seconds, I got the point. That people are so twisted in their political fanaticism that they are willing to exploit death for a political agenda- all the while forgetting the people who allowed them to do so in the first place and disrespecting those serving in the Armed Forces today, and especially, those who died doing their duty.

You can argue about the validity of the war all you want. But you aren't the one who has to fight it. And disrespecting the people who do have to fight, whether they agree with the reason they are fighting or not, is downright disgusting.


I was disappointed that there weren't any naked girls. I watch six minutes of video off the internet and there's no nudity? Rip-off.

Wow. And I thought Llad was bad. You not only agree with him, you tarnish their name more by somehow twisting my statement (despite the fact that I specified what I meant) into a pornographic allusion. Personally, I think you should be banned. It's one thing to disagree with a war. It's quite another to try to humilate their memory.

Of course, I'm letting my emotions get in the way this time. As much as I'd like to see you banned for disrespecting them, I wouldn't be able to find a forum rule that would justify it. Looks like you'd stay. Why, or how, you would relate their memory to pornos is just so sickening it makes me wonder how people like you can breathe without having your conscience bug you.


Hail to King Hyperbole! :king:

I think Llad is pretty bad with the fanatacism (or very good depending on which way you look at it), but now I realize you are far worse.

[Module88]

To everyone: define "support the troops" if you plan to say it. You seem to think it covers a lot more than the words actually do.

In this respect, we don't have to. The reason being, we know that disrespecting their memory is NOT supporting the troops. And that's what the movie does.


He didn't carve "no war" onto their cadavers, he showed pictures of them to drive home the human cost of the war.

All the while ignoring their individual sacrifices, and the sacifices of their families. Do you honestly think there wasn't an anti-war message written all over there?


That's hardly "using dead men".

Yes, using their images for a split second is hardly using their death to further a political agenda.


And would it be a fitting memorial if someone gave a "we'll win this war" speech at their funeral? Proclaiming a pro-war position in this context is no different from proclaiming an anti-war position.


Yes, it would. Likewise, it would be fitting to say just the opposite.

But this movie doesn't do that. What it does do is show you the coffin for a split second, toss in in the ground and occasionally bring it back up for another split second, and have that "someone" keep repeating "Bush lied people died." Maybe you think that's fitting for a funeral service, but I don't.

I always thought a funeral or memorial service was meant to remember the person who died, not to spit out politcal speeches while completely disregarding the person who died. Who knows- maybe I'm wrong.

Edit: Just watched it again. It didn't carve "no war" into their faces, it just carved "lies" right next to them. Much more fitting.

Edit: My bad. It carved their faces into Bush while saying "lies." Even better.

[Dondrei]

No, the purpose of the clip was to motivate people to end the war. It wasn't designed to commemorate their deeds or their memory. If you think it was designed to commemorate them, then you're twisted.

Didn't say it was designed to commemorate them, it was designed to make the viewer realise the human cost of the war. Like I said.


Which is exactly why they should have gotten more than 30 seconds. Odds are, they won't be able to introduce themselves on video. Why? Because they are dead. They should at least get five seconds and maybe a bit of background. At least enough so that we can recognize them.

Obviously I meant something recorded pre-mortem. And five seconds each is over two and a half hours.


Within 30 seconds, I got the point. That people are so twisted in their political fanaticism that they are willing to exploit death for a political agenda- all the while forgetting the people who allowed them to do so in the first place and disrespecting those serving in the Armed Forces today, and especially, those who died doing their duty.

You can argue about the validity of the war all you want. But you aren't the one who has to fight it. And disrespecting the people who do have to fight, whether they agree with the reason they are fighting or not, is downright disgusting.

How is it disrespecting these people to show their picture alongside anti-war messages? You still haven't given a clear explanation.


Wow. And I thought Llad was bad. You not only agree with him, you tarnish their name more by somehow twisting my statement (despite the fact that I specified what I meant) into a pornographic allusion. Personally, I think you should be banned. It's one thing to disagree with a war. It's quite another to try to humilate their memory.

I'd like to reply to this but I can't stop laughing.


Of course, I'm letting my emotions get in the way this time. As much as I'd like to see you banned for disrespecting them, I wouldn't be able to find a forum rule that would justify it. Looks like you'd stay. Why, or how, you would relate their memory to pornos is just so sickening it makes me wonder how people like you can breathe without having your conscience bug you.

Wow, in all my time on this forum my shirt has never been so thoroughly sprayed with menses. You're hilarious, Mod.


I think Llad is pretty bad with the fanatacism (or very good depending on which way you look at it), but now I realize you are far worse.

The only way this quote makes sense is if you don't know what "hyperbole" means. Either it's that or all that blood you just lost is making you woozy.

[Nerf-Herder]

america would be better, safer with these people alive

they are only memories because bush is a moron


bring our troops home -- THAT is supporting our troops

[Module88]

Didn't say it was designed to commemorate them, it was designed to make the viewer realise the human cost of the war. Like I said.

You forgot to mention the part where you said "It doesn't reduce them to numbers, it's trying to do the opposite." It does reduce them to numbers.


Obviously I meant something recorded pre-mortem. And five seconds each is over two and a half hours.

Right, but I highly doubt that even half of the two thousand service members did that.


How is it disrespecting these people to show their picture alongside anti-war messages? You still haven't given a clear explanation.

That's not even showing their pictures. It's flashing them, if you can even call a fraction of a second even that. Using their faces to support a politcal agenda (keeping in mind some might disagree with the message), without their pictures and when they can't come to their defense, is disrespectful.


I'd like to reply to this but I can't stop laughing.

Because you're the only one making jokes about the deaths of thousands of people who didn't have to die.


Wow, in all my time on this forum my shirt has never been so thoroughly sprayed with menses. You're hilarious, Mod.

Or maybe you're immature. Does anyone find this thread or topic funny?


The only way this quote makes sense is if you don't know what "hyperbole" means. Either it's that or all that blood you just lost is making you woozy.

Too bad I'm not exaggerating. But then, I'm the kind of person who's cares more about the people fighting the war than the actual war itself.

[Dondrei]

In this respect, we don't have to. The reason being, we know that disrespecting their memory is NOT supporting the troops. And that's what the movie does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic


All the while ignoring their individual sacrifices, and the sacifices of their families. Do you honestly think there wasn't an anti-war message written all over there?

Of course there was an anti-war message, my point is that that is not disrespectful. And what do you mean ignoring their individual sacrifices? They showed their pictures. What more could they do in limited time?


Yes, using their images for a split second is hardly using their death to further a political agenda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context


Yes, it would. Likewise, it would be fitting to say just the opposite.

But this movie doesn't do that. What it does do is show you the coffin for a split second, toss in in the ground and occasionally bring it back up for another split second, and have that "someone" keep repeating "Bush lied people died." Maybe you think that's fitting for a funeral service, but I don't.

I always thought a funeral or memorial service was meant to remember the person who died, not to spit out politcal speeches while completely disregarding the person who died. Who knows- maybe I'm wrong.

Houston to Apollo: your Module seems to be out of alignment.

It's not a funeral service. That was just an example, sorry I confused your easily influenced mind there. And I missed the coffin juggling.


Edit: Just watched it again. It didn't carve "no war" into their faces, it just carved "lies" right next to them. Much more fitting.

Edit: My bad. It carved their faces into Bush while saying "lies." Even better.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=carved

[Ash Housewares]

dondrei, your posts are absurd and disrespectful to what other posters have to say, I'm forced to send a love letter to Freet

[Dondrei]

You forgot to mention the part where you said "It doesn't reduce them to numbers, it's trying to do the opposite." It does reduce them to numbers.

It reduces them from numbers to pictures. Oh no, wait - that's not reducing that's increasing! :bonk:


That's not even showing their pictures. It's flashing them, if you can even call a fraction of a second even that. Using their faces to support a politcal agenda (keeping in mind some might disagree with the message), without their pictures and when they can't come to their defense, is disrespectful.

So you'd be okay with this clip if it went for the required three hours?


Because you're the only one making jokes about the deaths of thousands of people who didn't have to die.

Actually, I'm laughing at you. Although I didn't make the joke, you did. People tend to laugh when they hear the joke, not when they make it.


Or maybe you're immature. Does anyone find this thread or topic funny?

On a similar note, I find you funny.


Too bad I'm not exaggerating. But then, I'm the kind of person who's cares more about the people fighting the war than the actual war itself.

A non sequitur to follow a non sequitur. At least you're consistent.

[Module88]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context


Nice try, but that doesn't help you at all.


Of course there was an anti-war message, my point is that that is not disrespectful. And what do you mean ignoring their individual sacrifices? They showed their pictures. What more could they do in limited time?

If you were a soldier supporting the war and someone showed a picture of you and your brothers in an anti-war message (provided you can see what's going on after you die) for a split second, would you be upset? I would be. I think after giving my life in battle I deserve more than a fifth of a second, and for something I support?


Houston to Apollo: your Module seems to be out of alignment.

It's not a funeral service. That was just an example, sorry I confused your easily influenced mind there. And I missed the coffin juggling.

My point exactly. What should be a funeral service recognizing the sacrifices of thousands of people has been turned into a political rally with bodies behind to to try to prove a point, and the people speaking don't give a damn about them. But hey, it makes for a great photoshot.

Oh, and I'll be impressed if you can come up with some evidence to show that my mind is easily influenced, especially by rhetoric. :thumbsup:


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=carved

"To engrave or cut figures as an art, hobby, or trade."

"To decorate by cutting and shaping carefully."

Take a good look at that picture of Bush. Notice anything that fits into the category? :uhhuh:

[Dondrei]

dondrei, your posts are absurd and disrespectful to what other posters have to say, I'm forced to send a love letter to Freet

Wow, I'm a star! :king:

[Ash Housewares]

Wow, I'm a star! :king:

you and llad seem to think that anger motivates people, but being disrespectful to the dead or being a patronizing ******* isn't motivating anything constructive

[Module88]

It reduces them from numbers to pictures. Oh no, wait - that's not reducing that's increasing! :bonk:


Other way around. I thought a picture was supposed to help you remember things, not make you forget them because they disappeared in a split second.


So you'd be okay with this clip if it went for the required three hours?

And if they didn't keep repeating lies while trying to use the images of soldiers who may have supported the war, absolutely. Want to make a video about lies? I'm sure you can do it without including people who may have very well supported the war, and would support staying there.


Actually, I'm laughing at you. Although I didn't make the joke, you did. People tend to laugh when they hear the joke, not when they make it.

Sure you didn't.


On a similar note, I find you funny.

I'm sure you'll grow up to respect a serious discussion someday. Everyone does eventually.


A non sequitur to follow a non sequitur. At least you're consistent.[/QUOTE]


Personally, Llad, I knew you were a bit on the liberal side. But this is just sick. In some respects, it's more disgusting than the very war you are protesting.

And then of course, you say, for some reason, I'm exaggerating. Connect the dots.

[Dondrei]

Nice try, but that doesn't help you at all.

I was hoping they'd help you.


If you were a soldier supporting the war and someone showed a picture of you and your brothers in an anti-war message (provided you can see what's going on after you die) for a split second, would you be upset? I would be. I think after giving my life in battle I deserve more than a fifth of a second, and for something I support?

Just because they don't like it doesn't make it disrespectful. Try again.


My point exactly. What should be a funeral service recognizing the sacrifices of thousands of people has been turned into a political rally with bodies behind to to try to prove a point, and the people speaking don't give a damn about them. But hey, it makes for a great photoshot.

Reality check take 2: it was never supposed to be a funeral service, it's an anti-war video.


Oh, and I'll be impressed if you can come up with some evidence to show that my mind is easily influenced, especially by rhetoric. :thumbsup:

I love the ones where you take casual jibes seriously. You're endlessly entertaining. :thumbsup:


"To engrave or cut figures as an art, hobby, or trade."

"To decorate by cutting and shaping carefully."

Take a good look at that picture of Bush. Notice anything that fits into the category? :uhhuh:

I missed the news today: Bush died in Iraq?

[Nerf-Herder]

you and llad seem to think that anger motivates people, but being disrespectful to the dead or being a patronizing ******* isn't motivating anything constructive

im sure it will motivate you to post 20,000 more times...

for no reason at all (kinda like the war)

[Dondrei]

you and llad seem to think that anger motivates people, but being disrespectful to the dead or being a patronizing ******* isn't motivating anything constructive

I made a perfectly rational post. It's not my fault Mod burst his spleen. No-one has yet explained why anti war messages showing pictures of deceased soldiers is disrespectful to the dead. And patronising Mod is the least he deserves.

[Module88]

I made a perfectly rational post. It's not my fault Mod burst his spleen. No-one has yet explained why anti war messages showing pictures of deceased soldiers is disrespectful to the dead. And patronising Mod is the least he deserves.

It's not showing pictures. It's flashing them so quickly you probably couldn't find a face if a soldier you knew died in that time period. And then there's the issue that some of those soldiers may have very well supported the war. And then of course there's the issue of not inbedding, but almost literally engraving political messages on the faces of soldiers. :uhhuh:

[Dondrei]

Other way around. I thought a picture was supposed to help you remember things, not make you forget them because they disappeared in a split second.

And if they didn't keep repeating lies while trying to use the images of soldiers who may have supported the war, absolutely. Want to make a video about lies? I'm sure you can do it without including people who may have very well supported the war, and would support staying there.

Your arguments get more bizarre with every post.


Sure you didn't.

I really have to explain everything to you as I would a child. The joke was your ludicrous reaction to my post.


I'm sure you'll grow up to respect a serious discussion someday. Everyone does eventually.

I respect serious discussion, I just don't respect humourless prats.


And then of course, you say, for some reason, I'm exaggerating. Connect the dots.

I have, they just don't make a picture.

[Dondrei]

It's not showing pictures. It's flashing them so quickly you probably couldn't find a face if a soldier you knew died in that time period. And then there's the issue that some of those soldiers may have very well supported the war. And then of course there's the issue of not inbedding, but almost literally engraving political messages on the faces of soldiers. :uhhuh:

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/ferouscranus.htm

[Module88]

I was hoping they'd help you.

Didn't need it.


Just because they don't like it doesn't make it disrespectful. Try again.

So if you weren't racist, and I posted your picture on a poster with "Racism is awesome" and had all that spew, you'd be happy?


Reality check take 2: it was never supposed to be a funeral service, it's an anti-war video.

An anti-war video that basically says yeah, the soldiers are important, but each one isn't worth more than a fifth of a second or say compared to MY political message!


I love the ones where you take casual jibes seriously. You're endlessly entertaining. :thumbsup:

As I said, there's a time for jokes and there's a time for seriousness. Go start laughing at a funeral and talking about politics and you'll get the picture.


I missed the news today: Bush died in Iraq?

Bush again. I thought we were talking about the soldiers and how their faces were used, essentially without their permission, to support a view they may not have supported themselves. As for the ones who did not support the war, having their faces make up Bush would seem insulting as well. But that's just me.

[Ash Housewares]

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/ferouscranus.htm

once again you completely disregard what he had to say and instead make a personal attack

in any case, I know module can handle himself and I'm too drunk for this nonsense so have fun digging yourself into a hole

[Module88]

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/ferouscranus.htm

Sounds like the fanatical liberals and conservatives on the board. Too bad I'm not one of them. I've admitted I'm wrong and I accept valid, opposing viewpoints, and always have in the past. Unfortunately, your immaturity and continous jabs in a thread that should be discussing and commemorating the 2000 dead Americans leads me to believe that you're the irrational one.

[Dondrei]

once again you completely disregard what he had to say and instead make a personal attack

You can easily see from the link that I'm criticising Mod for reposting the same poor arguments over and over without adding any clarity despite them being consistently squashed. Not a personal attack, you egregious dunderpate.


Sounds like the fanatical liberals and conservatives on the board. Too bad I'm not one of them.

No, you're a fanatical centrist. *Salutes Mod on his high horse*


Unfortunately, your immaturity and continous jabs in a thread that should be discussing and commemorating the 2000 dead Americans leads me to believe that you're the irrational one.

Reality check, take 3: this thread was started by llad for the sole purpose of showing that video you object to so much.

[Module88]

You can easily see from the link that I'm criticising Mod for reposting the same poor arguments over and over without adding any clarity despite them being consistently squashed. Not a personal attack, you egregious dunderpate.

It's hard to squash an argument with just a few links to wiki and that site you have there. :thumbsup:


No, you're a fanatical centrist. *Salutes Mod on his high horse*

Ok. Got the first part. Now how does the second part relate to that?


Reality check, take 3: this thread was started by llad for the sole purpose of showing that video you object to so much.

Uh, wrong. It was started because Llad has a political agenda. :thumbsup:

[Dondrei]

So if you weren't racist, and I posted your picture on a poster with "Racism is awesome" and had all that spew, you'd be happy?

False comparison.


An anti-war video that basically says yeah, the soldiers are important, but each one isn't worth more than a fifth of a second or say compared to MY political message!

That argument continues to make absolutely no sense. Kudos for persistence.


As I said, there's a time for jokes and there's a time for seriousness. Go start laughing at a funeral and talking about politics and you'll get the picture.

*Sigh*


Bush again. I thought we were talking about the soldiers and how their faces were used, essentially without their permission, to support a view they may not have supported themselves.

To be honest I'm having a hard time understanding what we're talking about. Your constant non sequiturs are taking their toll.


As for the ones who did not support the war, having their faces make up Bush would seem insulting as well. But that's just me.

And with that, we've just gone through the looking-glass.

[Module88]

False comparison.

It is? You don't support racism but your face is being used as an example of a racist person?

Some soldiers supported the war and Bush but their faces are being used to get the message "Bush lied people died" across?


That argument continues to make absolutely no sense. Kudos for persistence.

Basically I'm using the logic that if little time is spent on something, it's not as important. Homework, project. Less time, more time.

Fraction of a second to show the face of a soldier, the whole video saying "they lied people died." Less time, more time. Less important, more important. :thumbsup:


To be honest I'm having a hard time understanding what we're talking about. Your constant non sequiturs are taking their toll.

Considering the two parts above, it's no surprise you don't get it. Work on those two, and after you get that, then try to understand this.

[llad12]

You're damn right llad- you did put that link up for a reason. But it wasn't to commemorate the bravery of the thousands of Americans who have died. It wasn't to remember them or honor their memory. It was to spew out more anti-war comments, and while I'm ok with dissenting opinion, I take offense to those who will use the deaths of thousands of Americans in such a manner. They deserve more than that. Shame on you.

Take offense? The speed was somehow disrepectful? I think it was more the associated anti-war message that's your real issue fella.

Personally, I don't give a tinker's damn about your views as a film critic. :p


Want to use their pictures to talk about your anti-war views? Give them a little more than about .2 seconds of air time please. Ash and I think they deserve it. I thought you supported the troops too?

Sassy tonight aren't we young man?

Since your little "feelers" got hurt, here's a kleenex to wipe your eyes and blow your nose.

Now, If you want a tribute to the soldiers, go here (http://www.facesofthefallen.org/).

If you want to see soldiers' funerals, than here's one for ya (http://www.magnuminmotion.com/bitterfruit/intro.html).

There ... all better now? Maybe you should stay away from these threads in the future. :uhhuh:

[myleftfoot]

It's not ok, as far as I believe, to exploit death for a political agenda without honoring their memory. But, if you ARE going to do so, the very very very very very least you could do is honor their memory with more than a .2 second image of their face. Not only is that annoying and wrong to me, it's disrespectful to them.

So saying 2000 soldiers died is more repectful that showing the people that gave to the cause? .2 seconds is better than nothing. If they were 1 minute long would you be saying that they should be 10? If they were 10 minutes long would you be saying that they should be 20? As I said, showing the faces gives them a bit more justice than just quoting a figure.

[Stevebo]

I do like how pretty much any and every arguement against the war is said to be anti-american, lack of support for the troops or disrespecting the dead. What sort of country do you want to live in? One where protest is silenced by false accusations of hating your country? What happens when you find yourself on the other side of the line?

Showing coffins coming back from Iraq? Cant show them - Disrespect for the dead. Pictures of dead american teenagers? Cant show them - Anti-Patriotism. Reports of poor conduct by US troops? Cant report them as we need to Support the Troops. Pictures of dead/raped/tortured iraqis? Cant show them - protect their privacy. Reports of bad events in Iraq? Cant show these - need to support the troops. Protest against rising body counts - disrespecting the memory of the troops.

To me it seems that much of the pro-war agenda is to prevent the public from seeing the consequences of this war as they are worried many will find it unpalatable to be faced with the realities of war. See no evil, Hear no evil, Speak no evil - ignorance is bliss. They prefer them to be ingnorant of the effects of war - until their child comes home in a box or disabled for life. And then if they dare protest they are silenced with accusations of disrespecting their child and the 'sacrafice' they made.

[Freet]

This thread has gotten out of hand so I'm pulling the plug on it now.

Thanks for understanding.