Halp Luis wif kick/wwsin k thx!

[luis19]

ok i am gonna sell my goldy orber to make this so i can get just about anything but extremely godly claws and permed 08 valk(could but too much hassel).

here is the setup i plan to use:

2/20/2 circlet or 3/20/2 with 2x shael
+2 rare ammy or p maras
bp nigma
chaos/fury runics with +3 venom
archnids
raven + fcr ring with mana/resist and/or +strenght
shadowdancers and/or high resist boots
trangs
6/6/4 cta + lidless

8x 35+ lifers 1x fhr + 17mana/5fhr to reach 86 bp
anni, torch then the rest assorted life/resist/mana scs.

skills:

max venom
max mastery
max mb
3 clawblock
17 fade
3 dtalon

this gives me 50 dr with all gear, 3 kicks, 65 fcr, 86 fhr, 60% block (+/- 1 skill i forget if i calcluated that with 3+ or 2+ circlet, but at lvl 90 i have 2-3 free skills after all prereq. and 1 point skills).

few questions, do i need ias on gear? if so would a CoA be better?
Are shadow dancers really necessary? the physical dmg is already low and u barely reach max resist with the right gear.

then again a fcr ammy is pretty hard to come by, a good one anyway.

any critique on my build?

[jman131]

i wouldnt use arachs, and unless its like a really great circ with res/str mods/life already on it, id just go with shako untill u get that 08 valk.

And i would go more weopn block than fade, because fade works with 1 point or 20, Wb doesnt.

just some pointers , its my opinon so w/e. Hope i helped , Peace

[luis19]

i wouldnt use arachs, and unless its like a really great circ with res/str mods/life already on it, id just go with shako untill u get that 08 valk.

And i would go more weopn block than fade, because fade works with 1 point or 20, Wb doesnt.

just some pointers , its my opinon so w/e. Hope i helped , Peace

lol? sry but all that is wrong.

i need real advice ppl.

[Souljer]

Maybe I'm missing something...

+9 from equip
+13 from charms
=22
base level fade=17
39+8 from enigma=47%DR (48 with +3 helm)

Did you forget to post other equipment?


EDIT:
You also have 87% FHR and 70% FCR.

[NewblarofDoom]

lol? sry but all that is wrong.

i need real advice ppl.
You need to take a spelling and grammar class.

[Souljer]

You need to take a spelling and grammar class.
Do you say this to everyone on Battle.net?

[GkT]

You need to take a spelling and grammar class.
WhU7 1z 7HiS sPiLiNg C14s u 5p3ech ob?

Souljer: He was listing what FCR & FHR BPs he was meeting; not his exact amount.

[Souljer]

WhU7 1z 7HiS sPiLiNg C14s u 5p3ech ob?
That's another way to ask...

Souljer: He was listing what FCR & FHR BPs he was meeting; not his exact amount.
Ah, okay. What about the 2-3 DR he's missing?

[NewblarofDoom]

Do you say this to everyone on Battle.net?
No, this is the first person I have had to say this to.

I am not a fan of idiocy.

[Rauth]

no help for luis! Down with assns!

[Freezing Rain]

what luis? no spirit monarch for teh godleh bo'z?

[luis19]

maybe i get spirit k?

and i talk like this as joke dont taek me sirius k? thx.

anyways u are forgetting that u can cast fade with cta switch for more +skills.


using a 2+ circet i have 12 to all skills and 11 to shadow.

3 points into cb will give me 60% block and 17 points into fade gives lvl 40 fade + 2 more skills from cta/lidless for a total of 42 + 8 dr from enigma = 50.

please check your numbers before giving critique!

where the hell is speederlander?

what are the dtalon breakpoints? what do i need to reach them without a 30ias helm?

iso: help
ft: rauth's first born

thx, love luis.

[Rauth]

Haha. I knew trading my first born for an soj would come back to haunt me :(.

[luis19]

Haha. I knew trading my first born for an soj would come back to haunt me :(.

ur daughter will grow up to be my whore :P

i r sorry i lub u rauth i apologize k thx.


please gib halp on my kicksin. i would apreciate it. maybe someon know speederlander's sn? i must know how to make a godly kicker since there isnt 1 on east nl.

['22'Souljah]

ur daughter will grow up to be my whore :P

i r sorry i lub u rauth i apologize k thx.


please gib halp on my kicksin. i would apreciate it. maybe someon know speederlander's sn? i must know how to make a godly kicker since there isnt 1 on east nl.
doesn't it tell you how in speedys guide?

[luis19]

its so long omg.
and he used 30ias 30 resist coa in guide but then he said he use circlet at end.
wtf i r confused.

anyone have any experiences?
is the dmg from shadowdancers that importnat? why not resist boots instead. i hab like 17 resist all not including resist scs, and does anya bug still there?

[SlainByPain]

Depends on how much str you'd have to sacrifice for the shadow dancers...

Anya bug is still there.

[kezackeh]

anya bug?
10 chars

[Rauth]

anya bug?
10 chars

If you get killed in a game and get your body back, you lose the resists gained from the saving anya quest. It will appear that you still have them on your char screen, but you really don't. The only way to fix it is to rejoin. Most people just stack the extra res though.

[luis19]

awww they didnt fix in patch?
damnit rauth i know u are somehow behind this.

anyways someone halp me.

i think for my circlet i will get 15ias/15reistall + shael. on speederlanders guide it said the bp for kick was 40somthing, and 35 + 15 = 50ias.

[blobswannabe]

awww they didnt fix in patch?
damnit rauth i know u are somehow behind this.

anyways someone halp me.

i think for my circlet i will get 15ias/15reistall + shael. on speederlanders guide it said the bp for kick was 40somthing, and 35 + 15 = 50ias.

get a nec circelt and put ur valk on ww/kicker. problem solved.

[Rauth]

get a nec circelt and put ur valk on ww/kicker. problem solved.

Haha. luis pwnt by simple solution.

When are you going to be on chris? You missed my cable debut, and now I'm rebuilding so I won't be able to duel for a little while. I need some practice on people that don't suck. Still haven't decided on my final gear setup and whatnot, but I did get to test out doom with 99fc. Worked pretty awesomely, and I'm pretty sure its the best way to go vs hammerdins and necs by far, although I didn't test out 163 cast vs anyone. Didn't seem to need it.

[Davie.]

Speederlander = went to a better place where you can flame retards. ^^. Dontchoo read heez guide?

['22'Souljah]

its so long omg.
and he used 30ias 30 resist coa in guide but then he said he use circlet at end.
wtf i r confused.

anyone have any experiences?
is the dmg from shadowdancers that importnat? why not resist boots instead. i hab like 17 resist all not including resist scs, and does anya bug still there?
do valk/resist boots GhOsT-KoDa setup that one is BESTEST! it also gives you evil look :o

[Speederländer]

ok i am gonna sell my goldy orber to make this so i can get just about anything but extremely godly claws and permed 08 valk(could but too much hassel).

here is the setup i plan to use:

2/20/2 circlet or 3/20/2 with 2x shael
+2 rare ammy or p maras
bp nigma
chaos/fury runics with +3 venom
archnids
raven + fcr ring with mana/resist and/or +strenght
shadowdancers and/or high resist boots
trangs
6/6/4 cta + lidless

8x 35+ lifers 1x fhr + 17mana/5fhr to reach 86 bp
anni, torch then the rest assorted life/resist/mana scs.

skills:

max venom
max mastery
max mb
3 clawblock
17 fade
3 dtalon

this gives me 50 dr with all gear, 3 kicks, 65 fcr, 86 fhr, 60% block (+/- 1 skill i forget if i calcluated that with 3+ or 2+ circlet, but at lvl 90 i have 2-3 free skills after all prereq. and 1 point skills).

few questions, do i need ias on gear? if so would a CoA be better?
Are shadow dancers really necessary? the physical dmg is already low and u barely reach max resist with the right gear.

then again a fcr ammy is pretty hard to come by, a good one anyway.

any critique on my build?

Hi.

I was able to get a pair of +3 venom/+3 mind blast runic talons on ladder for fairly cheap (last ladder season). Keep an eye out and post around a few places. Post on d2jsp and the blizzard trade forums. It may take weeks of bumping the trades every day several times a day. Take my word for it when I say level 50 mindblast is way useful.

If you can get +1 to blade shield on either one of those, that's a plus.

If you can get any item at all, no matter how good, you have two ways to go: The CoA route or the fastcast circlet route. Either one will be good, as long as it's played right.

My last sin used the fast cast circlet route at the end. This one depends on you REALLY having the equipment perfect. You can get by with a less than perfect set-up on the CoA path, but not so much on the circlet path. I used the CoA route for most of my dueling over the season 2 time period. I also used a CoA variant both on and off ladder season 1.

Since the circlet approach is what you seem to be outlining above, that's what I will comment on. If you go CoA, I can add info for that.

Go for 3 shadow/20 fastcast/2 socket circlet.
Put a pair of 15 res all/15 ias jewels in the circlet.

Next go (standard uniques):
Maras
Enigma
Archnid
20 dex raven with highest AR you can get
Trangs gloves.

You need to use shadow dancers. You want the FHR, dex, and +2 shadow skills. Don't worry about the points in strength. Look at it this way:
base str = 20
enigma str = approx 71
stat points returned from dancers once equiped = 25
str from mara = 5
str from anni = 20
str from hellfire = 20

Total base str = 136
Str to wear dancers = 167
Difference = 31

So, 31 stat points for 30 FHR, 2 shadow skills, and 25 dex. Plus you have the dancer physical damage boost (medium-small though it may be)

That's pretty close. Don't count in the str from the chaos, as you may remove it. You also don't want to risk losing your body.
Note that the dancers give you back 25 stat points in the form of dex, meaning on a stat point/life basis, it's really a decent approach.

Get a fast cast ring with 60+ mana, BIG AR boost, and hopefully some res all.
This seems expensive, but few people consider a big AR number all that good a mod on a FC ring, they want str or something. So that brings the price down. Avoid any stats on the ring. You need to be able to un-equip it as needed.

CTA + lidless/spirit on switch.

You REALLY want a good fools mod runic. I socketed it with a NEF (not an UM) to mess with pallys (kinda funny watching them bounce off me so much)

You also want a top res jade talon with a 15 ias/15 res all jewel for hard casters. This will give you good stacked res, and the 15 ias is needed to get the last WW breakpoint. Be careful to plan around the 2 martial skills it gives you. If you prefer 3 kicks and you design for one skill point below the break, it will push you over the limit. And I wore my jade quite a lot so it was a real concern. I guarantee that you will likely wear the jade a fairly often.

You will have the 65 FCR breakpoint with this.
You have to play around with charms a bit to always have the 86 FHR break, but it's doable. Having to play around to get 86 FHR is the price you pay to have level 50 venom and level 50 mindblast.

Skill check:
Claws = 6
Helm = 3
Ammy = 2
Belt = 1
Boots = 2
Battle Command = 1
Enigma = 2
Hellfire = 3
Anni = 1
Shadow = 9
Skill invest for venom and mindblast = 20

Total = 50

You also have a nice skill savings on fade and weapon block as both are needed.

Your res is close but you should be able to get a solid max and slightly over with the hellfire resistances. But yes, max res is hard to come by without top-notch equipment across the board. It's expensive. Very expensive.

If you have extra skills, leave them open until you decide you like 3 kicks or you would prefer 4. I.e., don't drop extra skills in dragon flight or anything just yet.

For two runic talons you need:
42 IAS to get 9 frame trapping
46 IAS to get 7/3 kicking speed

For a runic talon on primary hand and jade talon off-hand you need:
63 IAS to get 9 frame trapping
68 IAS to get 7/3 kicking

The only IAS that matters here is that which is on your primary claw and your equipment NOT INCLUDING your off-hand claw. Make sure you equip your primary claw FIRST. Claw equipping order matters!

NOTE: with a chaos runic/jade set-up, you have 35 + 30 = 65 ias, missing the 7/3 kicking break. If I am actually kicking, and my opponent has enough elemental damage to make me wear a jade, it usually means it's a sorc. Otherwise I would just WW (i.e. vs. a decent FoH pally). But with a sorc, you will kick a lot. In that case I skip WW totally, equip the fury as my primary, jade as secondary, and get 70 ias for the 7/3 kicks. But that's all just personal preference. If you are more comfortable having the WW, then the one frame lost on the kicks isn't earth-shattering. If your connection is good and you're on (read: not getting hit much), then just go chaos/fury kill her anyway.

That help?

[Speederländer]

P.S., that guide is floating around here somewhere, but there are a few mistakes/corrections. Do you need the guide?

['22'Souljah]

where has speedy land been?

[dkay]

hes back from a long journey back home to find his roots. hes back in action once again.

[Speederländer]

where has speedy land been?

Establishing a global drug cartel that uses instanced password protected on-line games to place surveillance-free orders with my Columbian operations?

Seriously though, I have no stuff, and my motivation to obtain enough stuff to be competitive in Diablo has waned. I tried for a couple weeks after the last ladder reset to get set up on East but it was half-assed on my part. This game is like crack anyway, if I kick the habit I should sort of keep it kicked.

I tried GuildWars for a while but that was really boring, PvE and PvP. Just too slow and passive. Like WoW, it's just skill toggling and letting the computer fight for you. Plus it's slow paced. Yawn.

I still owe Nali my final edit on the assassin guide so I think I'll wrap it up finally.

[luis19]

some comments.

wouldnt i really only need 1x 15/15 in my circlet? 35+15 = 50ias so with either claw i'd reach 7/3 kicks

is that 7 really that much better than 8 frame?

i say this for 2 reasons. 1 a 3+shadow circlet is becoming annoying to get, i miht have to settle for +2 sin. In addition, they are almost always socketed with shaels. 15/15's on nl go for 25-30 32020s or double that in sojs. I can afford but its a heafy price for jewels. If i use 2x shael and settle for 8/3 i can get 86 fhr at all times. if i do 15/15 + shael i can reach the previous breakpoint w/o any gcs.


the coa build u have seems much more difficult to aquire the gear. there few 30ias/30 resist coa, in fact i havent seen 1 for trade. A good sin circlet with fcr and resist is also hard to come by, and crafting one is pretty annoying.

the ring i wil use is either:
10fcr/11 stre/ 40ish mana/15 resist all
or
10 fcr/89 mana/ 15 resist all 36 lite resist

charm wise i have 2x legit life/resist all scs that i can use, but ill prolly have to buy more. i also have some mana/life scs.

[Speederländer]

Forgot to mention, shoot for life in the 3600 to 3800+ range. My CoA version was over 3800. Once your life is over 3500 and your res are pretty close to max, you should be able to take anyone but barbs. That's player skill dependent of course.

[Speederländer]

some comments.

wouldnt i really only need 1x 15/15 in my circlet? 35+15 = 50ias so with either claw i'd reach 7/3 kicks

is that 7 really that much better than 8 frame?
I my opinion, yes. Since you are doing so few kicks, the need for speed is magnified. Now, you can certainly try 8 frame kicks, and it might work for you, but I suspect your kicking might break down against really really good competition. But, try it and see.

If you are packing lvl 46+ venom, 8/3 kicks will kill MOST people killable by kicks.

Yes, you can live with only a single 15 ias in any event, though the speed is an issue then if you equip a jade, which you likely will want to do.

i say this for 2 reasons. 1 a 3+shadow circlet is becoming annoying to get, i miht have to settle for +2 sin. In addition, they are almost always socketed with shaels. 15/15's on nl go for 25-30 32020s or double that in sojs. I can afford but its a heafy price for jewels. If i use 2x shael and settle for 8/3 i can get 86 fhr at all times. if i do 15/15 + shael i can reach the previous breakpoint w/o any gcs.

the coa build u have seems much more difficult to aquire the gear. there few 30ias/30 resist coa, in fact i havent seen 1 for trade. A good sin circlet with fcr and resist is also hard to come by, and crafting one is pretty annoying.

Dude, skip the perfect CoA. Get a 15 DR, 28-29 res, 2 socket one. It's like a tenth of the price of a perfect one. Get a perfect one when you feel the need. One point of res all won't make or break you.

Keep in mind if you shael your circlet, you lose the res from the jewels, not just the ias. That res was critical for me getting over max res to combat facet lowering.

I spent all of last summer putting together my final assassin. If you wait for perfect equipment, it'll be a long road indeed.

the ring i wil use is either:
10fcr/11 stre/ 40ish mana/15 resist all
or
10 fcr/89 mana/ 15 resist all 36 lite resist
Well, I like the second ring more. If you will never wear angelics or a wisp, you can go the str stat one. I would put out feelers for a FCR/AR/mana/res ring. You will REALLY want the AR....

charm wise i have 2x legit life/resist all scs that i can use, but ill prolly have to buy more. i also have some mana/life scs.
As you figure stuff out, just use 20 lifers. Pop mana pots until you are able to get life/mana SCs. Once your mana is in the 800 range you should be good. You will MAYBE need to look at res scharms/FHR scharms but I'm not sure. I would have to run the numbers. I think not much though.



Here's the deal. Before you trade for a $1000000000 perfect CoA, or any other hyper-godly item, get the one-off perfect stuff (or even less than that) and get the build up and running. It'll still be expensive even that way. If you don't want to rebuild, then make sure all stat items (shadow dancers, anni, hellfire, etc.) are perfect. That way you can stick to one build and just upgrade items as you acquire them. This build is a pain in the *** to get good with, though since you have WW down pat, I'm sure you'll be fine. Just make sure the character is hitting on all cylinders before you really drop for the big trades.

Also, you will have to advertise for the circlet, the claws and perhaps the ring for maybe weeks or even month or more. Start now. You may want to also advertise for the FCR ammy, just in case you switch to the CoA build at some point. Keep your options open. The Blizzard trade forums got me almost everything I needed, including the circlet, two perfect claws, a kickin ring and the rest.

[luis19]

the thing about the coa isnt the price of the helm, its the 2x 15/15. almost all coa are ber/ber or 4015x2 so i will have to pay extra for it only to unsocket. then spend around 50-60x for 2x 15/15--meaning i spend like 2-3x more than if i got a circlet, not including the cost of a godly fcr ammy.


for ar do u think a fool's claw would suffice over angelics? someone just gave me free runic ones and 2x prebuff claws :)

[Speederländer]

the thing about the coa isnt the price of the helm, its the 2x 15/15. almost all coa are ber/ber or 4015x2 so i will have to pay extra for it only to unsocket. then spend around 50-60x for 2x 15/15--meaning i spend like 2-3x more than if i got a circlet, not including the cost of a godly fcr ammy.
Yeah, that's a bummer. I had to unsocket a couple BERs in mine as well. The circlet route is much cheaper than the CoA. The circlet is actually pretty cheap, it's just that no one really keeps them so they are actually kind of a pain to get. :rolleyes: Advertise up the wazoo for the circlet. Post everywhere. Offer enough and you'll have like 20 people out shopping it for you.
Instead of 15/15's why not go for 15/14's? You only lose 1 res and they are WAAAAY cheaper than perfect ones. Are 15/15's really that expensive anyway? I guess they were pretty cheap for me last season. Meh, inflation.


for ar do u think a fool's claw would suffice over angelics? someone just gave me free runic ones and 2x prebuff claws :)
Yeah. Fools claw will get the job done solo 99% of the time. There are a few really really good pallys against whom you MIGHT want both fools claw and angelics but just go fools claw for now and see what happens.

Nice thing about the circlet route: People look at you and figure you're a push-over. :cool:

Punch up your shadow skillers as you go as well. By the end of last season I had a pretty nice set of charms, even like 3x 45'ers, but they took me all summer to get. That last 100 or so life you can squeeze out of perfect or near-perfect equipment starts to matter in the hard duels.

[Speederländer]

Here's a trivia fact:

My assassin guide got kicked off of the Amazon Basin because it mentioned hardcore PKing in the credits. :rolleyes:

[luis19]

15/14 is worth just about the same as a 15/15

i dunno how u got them so cheap, noobs on ladder u ripped off?

they costs like 30x each on nl

so far ive gotten a 3+ venom fury runic, fools runic, 2x prebuff claws, had most of the scs to begin with (mana/life/resists).

the sin circlet isnt as cheap as u think.
its worth 20-30x, so its the same value as my 2/20/2 druid circlet that i will prolly end up trding for it.

all the lifers i get will be 30+, mostly in the 35's.

im pretty sure i will keep this char. i liked my ww sin and my cheap kicker, and both were welfare chars. ontop of that u know nl has 5k mana sorcs, venom should work fine.

[blobswannabe]

Forgot to mention, shoot for life in the 3600 to 3800+ range. My CoA version was over 3800. Once your life is over 3500 and your res are pretty close to max, you should be able to take anyone but barbs. That's player skill dependent of course.

:lol: what kind of people have you been dueling. I've never died to a kicker or seen anyone decent die to one.

[Rauth]

:lol: what kind of people have you been dueling. I've never died to a kicker or seen anyone decent die to one.

Only reason anyone would die to a kicker would be the max mb and traplock. I can see it happening, although I have my doubts about it taking down the best chars. I'll reserve judgement until I actually see a decent one. It would basically be rickys trapper, but he'd just kick you instead.

[Speederländer]

:lol: what kind of people have you been dueling. I've never died to a kicker or seen anyone decent die to one.

This isn't a "kicker" it's a hybrid WW/kick that uses extremely high level MB with traps to stun. So, given that you haven't even taken the time to read what has been discussed here, it's hard to take your comment seriously. Further, given the requirements to make this dueling variant work, it's not surprising you've never seen one. It's expensive enough and time consuming enough, and hard enough to play, to preclude all but a few people from doing it correctly.

In any event, there is a subset of characters, including all types of sorcs, most bone necs, all minion necs, most wind druids, and all zons, that are as vulnerable to talon with lvl 46+ venom and high open wounds, combined with lvl 1 traps and high level mindblast, as they are to any other class or attack. Throw in properly played WW, as this build does, and the only class you can't really beat is a WW barb.

[Phyrexial]

This isn't a "kicker" it's a hybrid WW/kick that uses extremely high level MB with traps to stun. So, given that you haven't even taken the time to read what has been discussed here, it's hard to take your comment seriously. Further, given the requirements to make this dueling variant work, it's not surprising you've never seen one. It's expensive enough and time consuming enough, and hard enough to play, to preclude all but a few people from doing it correctly.

In any event, there is a subset of characters, including all types of sorcs, most bone necs, all minion necs, most wind druids, and all zons, that are as vulnerable to talon with lvl 46+ venom and high open wounds, combined with lvl 1 traps and high level mindblast, as they are to any other class or attack. Throw in properly played WW, as this build does, and the only class you can't really beat is a WW barb.
From what I understand, this build has many of the same limitations as the Ghost sin as well as it's strengths since they are similar in many ways. Can potentially beat most builds except WW barbs.

[Speederländer]

From what I understand, this build has many of the same limitations as the Ghost sin as well as it's strengths since they are similar in many ways. Can potentially beat most builds except WW barbs.

Basically yes. It just expands laterally on the dueling options available to you. I consider it more versatile than a pure ghost-type but it's really a personal preference. I feel that in certain match-ups, like wind druids with lots of minions or bone necs under the cover of armies for example, kicking is somewhat superior, allowing for a more focused attack and removing problems with WW name-lock and overshooting. But to each their own.

[luis19]

speederlander's kicker is basically a slight varience on a wwsin (wha 3 points into kick and 15ias on gear).
im pretty sure this will do as well as a ghost if not better.

speeder claims kick is better vs some casters, and if so this should be a good edge.
eitherway its a good way to keep urself from being bored by having variety.

[GkT]

Hmm...this thread has gotten me to think about this build a lot more. I didn't read the whole guide, but I probably will finish it now.

With optimum gear, how many Runes did it take you to build her Speeder? I believe you were on USWest NL.

[Speederländer]

Hmm...this thread has gotten me to think about this build a lot more. I didn't read the whole guide, but I probably will finish it now.

With optimum gear, how many Runes did it take you to build her Speeder? I believe you were on USWest NL.

A bloody load of runes. I've actually played both NL and ladder. My most complete set-up, with perfect claws and perfect helm and all was on West ladder, just at the end of season 2. ISTs were the main currency on west ladder, and the claws alone ran me like 50 IST each. I had some dude "on the payroll" plying the trade channels for me that I paid on a weekly basis. That guy was incredible. He could get me anything I needed. He even ended up getting me 3x 45 life shadow GCs.

[blobswannabe]

This isn't a "kicker" it's a hybrid WW/kick that uses extremely high level MB with traps to stun. So, given that you haven't even taken the time to read what has been discussed here, it's hard to take your comment seriously. Further, given the requirements to make this dueling variant work, it's not surprising you've never seen one. It's expensive enough and time consuming enough, and hard enough to play, to preclude all but a few people from doing it correctly.

In any event, there is a subset of characters, including all types of sorcs, most bone necs, all minion necs, most wind druids, and all zons, that are as vulnerable to talon with lvl 46+ venom and high open wounds, combined with lvl 1 traps and high level mindblast, as they are to any other class or attack. Throw in properly played WW, as this build does, and the only class you can't really beat is a WW barb.

a properly equiped pally will have too much def for any meleesin to hit consistently not to mention mb/traps are useless vs them. and anyone who prebuffs with antidotes will be able to tank a lot. perhaps i'll try it out when luis finishes her. I had a ghost wwsin on west her only weakness was her lack of mana and ar cuz i coudn't afford to put life/mana scs on her and we don't have 70/15s on west.

do you play east or west? venom and ow can own es sorcs pretty fast while they are stunned by mb so i guess they are a good counter for bmana east sorcs. We should duel sometimes, i'm curious about how good a kicker can be.

[Speederländer]

a properly equiped pally will have too much def for any meleesin to hit consistently not to mention mb/traps are useless vs them. and anyone who prebuffs with antidotes will be able to tank a lot. perhaps i'll try it out when luis finishes her. I had a ghost wwsin on west her only weakness was her lack of mana and ar cuz i coudn't afford to put life/mana scs on her and we don't have 70/15s on west.

do you play east or west? venom and ow can own es sorcs pretty fast while they are stunned by mb so i guess they are a good counter for bmana east sorcs. We should duel sometimes, i'm curious about how good a kicker can be.

Read my guide. It will answer most questions (though there are a few errors I need to fix).

I am in the process of moving over to East NL (as of yesterday).

[luis19]

so far luis has procured:

3+venom fury runics
white 2+venom (got cheap)
2/25 shadow dancers
2x prebuff claws
1x um'd fools claws

what luis has previously procured:
permed 7015: cry i got free
many legit mana/life scs
few life/resist all, some life/1 element resist
good anni
6 bo cta


in process of trading for a 2/20/2 sin, a few 30+ lifers, and a 15ias/12resist all jewel.

i will pwn 6k mana sosoas. check it. watch for my kicker, in stores soon.

[F1R3STR1D3R]

I didnt read the whole thing but I wonder how this build fares against melee. With ww barb you can just slap on doom and range 3-5 weapons and all melee was dead, but you dont have this luxury with sins. What do you use BF with KB, and hope open wounds with trigger?

[Speederländer]

a properly equiped pally will have too much def for any meleesin to hit consistently
That's why whirl-away and tele-whirl onto a moving target are so important, you get them with zero defense and reduced block. If the pally tries to hit you, they have to wade through whirls, also getting hit. The very best pallys are hard, sure. But the very best of any class is probably hard for just about anyone.

not to mention mb/traps are useless vs them.
Not true at all. Sentry can be useful when they have MB swirlies on them, though against very good pallys I use it only infrequently. Against 95% of the pallies on bnet, low level sentry with high level MB rips them up because they don't know how to work around the hit recovery animation. They try to do things like run clear of the traps, which invites free whirlwind passes.

and anyone who prebuffs with antidotes will be able to tank a lot. So will someone downing life pots. In any event, unless they are just going to chug antidotes the entire game, they will expire. And further, antidotes don't make you immune to lvl 50 venom, they just cut the damage. They also have no impact on the open wounds, the magic damage from the chaos, or the overall physical damage.


I don't claim that this dueling variant is THE BEST. Good WW barbs are the top of the dueling heap. BUT, I do claim that I can kill anyone, perhaps with more effort in several cases, that a barb can (not including other barbs). There are certain classes that this build can kill BETTER (or at least more efficiently) than a barb due to traps and stun. This is a hybrid assassin. It uses WW, kicking, traps and MB. All of them. It's not a kicker. It's not WW. It takes the better parts of both and adds in the ability to stun the crap out of people. Heck, you can knock significant life off people with MB alone if it's in the lvl 50 range.

[luis19]

you u played west? that means everyone had block and u did good.

east = 75% of casters (excluding hdins) are no block. they are mass 7015, which isnt that much of a problem cept they are all vita builds so like 3k life for sorcs.

[Rauth]

you u played west? that means everyone had block and u did good.

east = 75% of casters (excluding hdins) are no block. they are mass 7015, which isnt that much of a problem cept they are all vita builds so like 3k life for sorcs.

Eh, how does having no block Help against a melee?

[Speederländer]

Eh, how does having no block Help against a melee?

If a caster has no block against my attacks, which are blockable, it helps me greatly.

[luis19]

no wonder everyone hates u rauth, u are illterate.

but all <3

[Rauth]

no wonder everyone hates u rauth, u are illterate.

but all <3

Dangit. You misunderstood me. Read what You wrote nub. :)

you u played west? that means everyone had block and u did good.


Edit: oh, I see what you are saying now. You mean East sucks. Ahaha. I'm pwnt by my own reading skills :(.

[Speederländer]

Updated the guide for this build btw. Fixed a few points/mistakes. Added some stuff. Expanded on some stuff. I'll e-mail it to Nali tonight. It should be posted permanently in the not too distant future.

[luis19]

hurry up an get rich on us east nl, it not that hard. took me 1 month to make a fully decked out bowazon from scratch with medicore trading skilz.

then we can own up us easst.
lmafazo the only "good" kickers on us east are frirken fort kickers with no fcr lmfoazo

we need to show them the ways of teh fkfekcer ok, thex.

[thedreamshaper]

Try go Europe HC ladder :D

Ill be waiting :)

there should be a EU Vs US realm or turnament or something! ;D

[blobswannabe]

That's why whirl-away and tele-whirl onto a moving target are so important, you get them with zero defense and reduced block. If the pally tries to hit you, they have to wade through whirls, also getting hit. The very best pallys are hard, sure. But the very best of any class is probably hard for just about anyone.


Not true at all. Sentry can be useful when they have MB swirlies on them, though against very good pallys I use it only infrequently. Against 95% of the pallies on bnet, low level sentry with high level MB rips them up because they don't know how to work around the hit recovery animation. They try to do things like run clear of the traps, which invites free whirlwind passes.

So will someone downing life pots. In any event, unless they are just going to chug antidotes the entire game, they will expire. And further, antidotes don't make you immune to lvl 50 venom, they just cut the damage. They also have no impact on the open wounds, the magic damage from the chaos, or the overall physical damage.


I don't claim that this dueling variant is THE BEST. Good WW barbs are the top of the dueling heap. BUT, I do claim that I can kill anyone, perhaps with more effort in several cases, that a barb can (not including other barbs). There are certain classes that this build can kill BETTER (or at least more efficiently) than a barb due to traps and stun. This is a hybrid assassin. It uses WW, kicking, traps and MB. All of them. It's not a kicker. It's not WW. It takes the better parts of both and adds in the ability to stun the crap out of people. Heck, you can knock significant life off people with MB alone if it's in the lvl 50 range.

I remain unimpressed by your theories until someone can prove it to me in a duel. being able to kill a few pub casters doens't mean a thing i 1 on 7 those guys with any char.

[Speederländer]

I remain unimpressed by your theories until someone can prove it to me in a duel. being able to kill a few pub casters doens't mean a thing i 1 on 7 those guys with any char.

Heh, "theories"? Whatever man. I've played this stupid game since beta in every dueling environment that it's possible to play in. I explained exactly what I did that worked in sick detail. You've made no effort to dispute specific points or to make a case against it other than with vague one or two sentence dismissals. I remain unimpressed by your criticism.

[Raith]

Rauth: GET NEW ACCT ASAP!

[blobswannabe]

Heh, "theories"? Whatever man. I've played this stupid game since beta in every dueling environment that it's possible to play in. I explained exactly what I did that worked in sick detail. You've made no effort to dispute specific points or to make a case against it other than with vague one or two sentence dismissals. I remain unimpressed by your criticism.

it' just a stupid game and that is precisely why if you wanna prove your point do it in a duel. I've noticed that people on this forum tend to be all talk no action.
I'd like to see you prove your claim that you can beat anyone who's not a barb.

btw, who the hell is raith.

[GkT]

Raith is a vet that hasn't been here for a while...or at least posting in the Strategy Forums.

[luis19]

hi.

speederlander ignore mike (blobswannabe).
he is noob mfar on useast (no joke, mfhdin)
:)

anyways even though u are going to play east (u better so we can do 2v6 in pubs with 2 kickers), there is a pvp 1.10 gm server where u can bascially make anything u want (kicker in progress with 40+ lifers). takes like 30 mins to get most of ur gear and lvl 99.

msg me on aim: luisem19 for more info.

[Rauth]

hi.

speederlander ignore mike (blobswannabe).
he is noob mfar on useast (no joke, mfhdin)
:)

anyways even though u are going to play east (u better so we can do 2v6 in pubs with 2 kickers), there is a pvp 1.10 gm server where u can bascially make anything u want (kicker in progress with 40+ lifers). takes like 30 mins to get most of ur gear and lvl 99.

msg me on aim: luisem19 for more info.

Blobswannabe is chris, not mike. Mike is still mcm on here as far as I know.



@Raith Never! Pvp forums our mine! You can have all the other ones ;).

[luis19]

silly rauth, trix r 4 t3h kidz k?

there is more than 1 mike in the entire earf ok?

how many times must u make bamboozlements for me to correct. am i gonna have to choke a rauth today?

[Rauth]

silly rauth, trix r 4 t3h kidz k?

there is more than 1 mike in the entire earf ok?

how many times must u make bamboozlements for me to correct. am i gonna have to choke a rauth today?

dangit luis. you said blobswannabe is mike. hes not. You're wrong!

[blobswannabe]

silly rauth, trix r 4 t3h kidz k?

there is more than 1 mike in the entire earf ok?

how many times must u make bamboozlements for me to correct. am i gonna have to choke a rauth today?

lol are you brain-damaged? i've made it pretty clear mutliple times that i've been using your account and u think i'm mcm. roffle.

[luis19]

im very confused.

new poll:

should luis sell his acct and make ~$300+. only downside is it will take like 2-3 weeks depending on how many ppl are making barb/nec, could sell all in 1 day or many days.

vote asap.

[Freezing Rain]

<begins leeching thread info to build assassin on ladder>

[De4dEyE]

im very confused.

new poll:

should luis sell his acct and make ~$300+. only downside is it will take like 2-3 weeks depending on how many ppl are making barb/nec, could sell all in 1 day or many days.

vote asap.

vote that you keep it










or gieb it to me.

thx.

[dkay]

sell to me. i gib joo 300.01 dollars in 5 weeks ez. kk. done.

no dont sell your account. 300 dollars will disspear in < 1 week but your acc gives you hours of mindless entertainment whenever your bored. thats priceless baby.

[luis19]

i usually dont have time to sit and play d2 nowdays. i post more on this forum than i play.


300 = 15 30's = happy luis.

300 can do alot, just think a bit.

i can prolly bring in more.
my 08 valk can sell for 40 and my barbs 32020s will go for near 60.
this idea is intriguing me, about 50/50 luis will no longer play d2.

i know u must be crying dkay. but dont think i will forget all the threats i made to any of u, especially u rauth.

[wizAdept]

lmafazo the only "good" kickers on us east are frirken fort kickers with no fcr lmfoazoYou're funny Luis.

[luis19]

You're funny Luis.

thx, tehse kikcers thnk tehy r teh beset cuz thye hab a fort kickr that can beat teh publix somtimes, but i konw they r teh sux kicker.

watch out for my kicker, coming soon to theaters.

[wizAdept]

thx, tehse kikcers thnk tehy r teh beset cuz thye hab a fort kickr that can beat teh publix somtimes, but i konw they r teh sux kicker.

watch out for my kicker, coming soon to theaters.Nah, I mean you're funny for thinking east doesn't have good enigma kickers. ;p

And yeah, fort blows.

[luis19]

Nah, I mean you're funny for thinking east doesn't have good enigma kickers. ;p

And yeah, fort blows.


since when does east have good kickers? ive seen 1-2 that can even kill anyone. all realms have like no kickers, its a fact.

[dkay]

since when does east have good kickers? ive seen 1-2 that can even kill anyone. all realms have like no kickers, its a fact.

we have speedlander :D

[Speederländer]

we have speedlander :D

Yeah but I play a hybrid. And I kind of don't have any equipment anymore. :(

[De4dEyE]

Yeah but I play a hybrid. And I kind of don't have any equipment anymore. :(

man, your guide makes me want to build a WWsin for fun.. but I have to use my currency to fix up my BvC again. :'(

[wizAdept]

since when does east have good kickers? ive seen 1-2 that can even kill anyone. all realms have like no kickers, its a fact.There are a few good ones, most of them don't play often though. I'm one of the few that plays on the regular.