Two quick (and pretty noobie) questions about WW

[Rius666]

I've just started making an all purpose PvP barb based mostly and Dyn's Guide with some stuff from Rikster's guide thrown in.

Question one: what is the penalty of leech in pvp? I was planning on stacking a ton of LL (close to 40%) but then I read both Riks and Dyn's guide and realized that LL has become significantly nerfed in pvp. So i was wondering just how much is LL nerfed in pvp?

Question 2: what is agood helm for melee pvp? I read that Dyn suggested dual ber'd CoA, but unfortunated I'm not that rich. I do have an .08 Gaze (self found, its nice to have items from way back when you've been playing this game since day one :thumbsup: ) which would be the next viable alternative, is there a better helm?

So far my setup looks like this:
391/15 botdz, 284/38 beast/um'd ss
180/6 Arreats (socketed with ED/cold dmg jewel, kinda realized that wasn't so smart now, probably shoulda taken rik's adviced and socket with ith, good thing arreats are relatively easy to find)
Enigma/Duress
Highlords
Draculs
Gores/Godly .07 boots (self found, think of it as a legit soul spurs cept with CR+FR instead of CR+LR)
8/15 string
211/20 Raven
Either Corruption Grip or a very nice .07 ring (7/6 dual leech, 146 ar, a little FR/PR)


This is pretty much the first PvP WW barb I've made since 1.09 so consider me "new" to the PvP scene. Feel free to offer suggestions on items/charms/switches/tatics.


EDIT: Almost forgot, I have one mroe question. I'm really torn b/t using a Beast zerker or a doom zerker as the off hand wep. Any suggestions. Again this barb is design to be all-purpose/pub game dueling.

[Jerion]

Hmm, change that string to arachs, another raven, and some godly pre .10 fcr rings [since you seem to have those kind of things lying around :D].

Beast > Doom by alot, but go Botd/Doom when you're facing a difficult smiter or bowazon.

1) Leech is nerfed alot since it's based on damaged they take, going thru the nasty pvp penalty.
2) A good substitue is to ber your 08 gaze, or get a 1os coa and ber it.

[RetroStar]

Are you dueling casters or melee.

Your setup is somewhat of both.. You have resist boots yet you use strings.

[Rius666]

Are you dueling casters or melee.

Your setup is somewhat of both.. You have resist boots yet you use strings.
Ya like i said this build is designed to be all-purpose. I plan on dueling pub games, not really going to any tourneys/specific dueling. Obviously I'll try and adjust the best i can, putting on SS if there are al ot of barbs or zons around, fcr ring/arachs/tons of resist if there are lots of casters around.

As for the fcr, thats one thing i dont have pre .09 :(. I should prolly try to trade for some or maybe gamble, IDK. I do have arachs in the stash so I'm good there. The main issue I have with switching out the arreast is the BIG hit I'll be taking in terms of stats/dmg. With the ed jewel/+4 combat skills/+20 str/dex im gonna be losing a lot of dmg/ar. But DR is really important as well so I dont know what to do. Without the Gaze I would have 23% DR (enigma+strings); is that enough to cut it?

Also would it be better to have a wizzy off hand SOLEY FOR THE FASTER CAST? I already have max resist in hell with pvp gear so the only reason i would use wiz would be for the faster/mana, would it be worth it to swap out the beast for it?

[Omikron8]

Leech is cut by

difficulty penalty
1/6 pvp penalty
any additional damage reduction (% of integer) that your opponent has

this means anything less than life tap is pretty much pointless

[Rius666]

Leech is cut by

difficulty penalty
1/6 pvp penalty
any additional damage reduction (% of integer) that your opponent has

this means anything less than life tap is pretty much pointless
Hmmm well there goes my theory out the window. Still stuck on 1.09 mode. Guess ill have to cash all that LL in for ar/dmg/def

[Komeonix]

hel rune in the cube with that arreats will remove the jewel.

second of all, even with 25% DR, my Pali(Zealot) will be doing about 3500-4500 dmg to you per hit, even with all penalties included... better keep that shield on, and better Ber that helm. :thumbsup:

[RetroStar]

hel rune in the cube with that arreats will remove the jewel.

second of all, even with 25% DR, my Pali(Zealot) will be doing about 3500-4500 dmg to you per hit, even with all penalties included... better keep that shield on, and better Ber that helm. :thumbsup:

scroll of tp + hel + arreat in cube

[Souljer]

1.07 boots, 1.07 ring, and 1.08 Vampire Gaze tells me this is Nonladder. Last I checked you couldnt use that recipe over there.

[nubikoen]

1.07 boots, 1.07 ring, and 1.08 Vampire Gaze tells me this is Nonladder. Last I checked you couldnt use that recipe over there.

Then I suppose you last checked in .09 :)
It does indeed work nonladder too.

[luis19]

much of these ppl have mislead you.

first off you do not need block vs anything but another barb. for this reason many ppl go no block.

ww>zeal, using no block

ber 08 gaze will suffice if u cannot afford a coa.

grief> ebotd, even the worst grief is slightly better than a 415% ebotdz, but even then the dmg is more consistant and u get 20 more deadly + venom + fire dmg.

if u lack the ability to get the best gear, i suggest getting a good amount of sorb gear to make up for it.

[RetroStar]

much of these ppl have mislead you.

first off you do not need block vs anything but another barb. for this reason many ppl go no block.

ww>zeal, using no block

ber 08 gaze will suffice if u cannot afford a coa.

grief> ebotd, even the worst grief is slightly better than a 415% ebotdz, but even then the dmg is more consistant and u get 20 more deadly + venom + fire dmg.

if u lack the ability to get the best gear, i suggest getting a good amount of sorb gear to make up for it.

except my post about scroll of tp + hel + item in cube. :eek:

Worst grief cant hit last ww bp though or I would've gotten my grief a long time ago. :mad:

[Jerion]

In terms of worst dmg :|

[Rius666]

Sounds me like I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and sacrifice a buncha stats from Arreats for a ber'd .08 gaze. Man whatever happened to the days of easy 35% PDR from SS? Gimme .09 back plz

Also, after reading some other threads, it seems like I'm gonna need a Doom zerker to switch out the beast zerker to help out vs smiters/zealots/zons/and melee dmg druids.

I also still have to get a barb torch; i gotta lot of trading/mfing/keyfinding to do...

EDIT: I thought about getting a Grief instead of a BotD but:
1. The fire dmg on Grief is neglible
2. I thought stuff like % chance to cast was canceled when ww'ing; I don't plan on using single attacks (double swing/zerk) too much in pvp
3. ITD is useless in PvP and the -25% target def is nerfed by a lot in pvp (right?)
4. Although Grief might have a better avg dmg I would prefer a good max dmg (still be doing about 3.6k avg dmg)
5. You need 35 ias for grief to hit lwwbp. Not good try to make, although you could trade for a good one.

Plus BotD u get a very nice boost to all stats and a tiny amount of AR. Plus its the standard of use by most ppl for a reason :).

[Rius666]

What do you guys think of a fort zerker vers ranged (including casters). Has nice dmg, gives a nice fcr boost, deadly strike, big defense bonus, +life, dmg goes to mana, and nice bit of resist. Even has a chance to cast lvl 15 chilling armor when struck and a little bit of ar on top on of that. If that chilling armor went off you would have a digusting amount of def :).

[luis19]

you wont catch anyone good w/o nigma (cept a few like smiters).

the max dmg of botd doesnt outwieght grief's consistant dmg. 34ias is the minium ias u need not 35. low +dmg ones are easy to aquire, cheaper than botd.

from what ive been told fire dmg helps stun but i forget.
zerking is quite useful which will cast venom pretty quick. u can also prebuff it by hitting some monsters with zerk and zerk should be ur left click attack.

the point is, the consistant dmg of grief and the 20% deadly which makes u hit harder more often outweight any stat on botd.


do NOT go out of ur way or sacrifice gear to get doom. smiters are very easy w/o them and so are most druids. its a slight edge u can get but its more important to get better charms and the gear the u will use most often. if u really have that much trouble vs smtiers and wanna bm them, use clegs instead.
but just getting dr shoudl be enough, just never ww through them ever.

[Rius666]

you wont catch anyone good w/o nigma (cept a few like smiters).

the max dmg of botd doesnt outwieght grief's consistant dmg. 34ias is the minium ias u need not 35. low +dmg ones are easy to aquire, cheaper than botd.

from what ive been told fire dmg helps stun but i forget.
zerking is quite useful which will cast venom pretty quick. u can also prebuff it by hitting some monsters with zerk and zerk should be ur left click attack.

the point is, the consistant dmg of grief and the 20% deadly which makes u hit harder more often outweight any stat on botd.


Ok thanks for the tip on Grief, if it really is as cheap as you say i might go get one, or i might make one since i have all the runes (cept for lo) and a 5 os zerk. I'm pretty sure i can trade for a lo.

When I said fort, I meant fort ZERKER, not fort armor. I've never seen anyone trade ANY fort weps before, only fort armors so is there something I'm missing? To me the weapon would seem very viable in pvp.

EDIT: Just checked rik's analysis of ww with grief vs ww with botd and it seems like Grief is the way to go. I'm going to have to get one and see how that works for myself (call me a skeptic :)). I've been told Grief is worth a TON on NL, much more than just a botdz so I think I'm better off making one and hoping to get lucky to get </=34% ias. Gonna see if i can trade ber for lo.

[Lyrs]

If you are in nonladder, don't attempt to make Grief. The runeword creation is only allowed for Ladder. better use that hr for some charms if nl.

[RetroStar]

Low grief go for 20 Sojs+ on east nl. A lot more than botdz -.-

[Rius666]

o ya totally forgot about ladder thing :(