Holy-sweet-Jesus-that's-a-nice-drop.

[Wmeredith]

http://flexable.250free.com/Diablo/Sacred.png

Anyone care to tell me what the odds are on this drop happening? It was on hell Ball in an 8 player game. The sorc has 450 mf, and the gold sacred DID turn out to be Tyrael's. I'm still floored when I think about the odds.

[Hrus]

Hah! Cheater! Didn't you know that Tyrael's Might doesn't drop in D2? Due to rounding somwhere in the formula, chance to drop Tyrael's becomes zero...
[/end of irony]
This is helluva drop! :clap: Congrats! Getting TC87 from Baal is very rare. Now two of them being Sacred armors, one of them Tyrael's.

Or did you just found it somewhere on net? Then the probability of this drop is exactly 160041x smaller than the hacked picture. :cool:

[Humphrey]

Lovely drop! Hope it's not a hacked pic, it's such a nice drop.

[Wmeredith]

It's not a hacked pic. It's from a respected memebr of the ol' ABasin, anyone who is familiar with this guild/website will also testify that anyone who gets respect around there IS legit.

[krischan]

Congrats, that clearly beats my best drop from Baal: Tal's + Aldur's armor (http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9863/talsaldursarmor6yu.jpg) - although my zon had 0%MF when she found it and she needs a zillion arrows to kill Baal.

[RetroStar]

Best for me was a facet from the darklords outside meph, another facet from meph and a fire gc from the mini boss to the sides.

[Raith]

damn thats nice......

[A C E]

Someone must have sold his soul to the devil :D There is a better chance of submarine exlpoding and causeing a tidal wave that overturns a chemical sewage truck that mutates four cows into mutants that overrun the world and revive elvis then there is of getting those drops :eek:

[Mperor]

I HATE YOU! :mad:

Congrats though. :thumbsup:

[Verbatim]

That's a sweet drop...I think the odds might be higher than you'd expect...that is, I'm pretty certain d2 uses a really, really bad pseudo-random number generator function, which is why one finds two of something in the same game so very often, much more often than one should...and also the reason they found it necessary to make it so you can't find more than one of the same unique in the same game. (They're probably using the C/C++ standard rand(), which is known to be awful...if you ever program a game in C++, spend the twenty minutes it'd take to Google a better random number generator function and add it to your code) So the mathematical odds, if you don't take the bad random number generator into account, would look much worse than they actually are, given that Baal probably drops two sacred armors at least one out of a hundred times that he drops one.

Getting those two sacred armors to come out as Tyrael's Might + IK armor, though, is pretty sweet. Even though the bad random number function makes your chance of getting those two together much higher than you'd think it would be, I'm sure having both of them drop together is still much rarer than getting Tyrael's Might...which is already beyond impossible.

BTW...how'd you manage to score an 8-player game, and have time to take a screenshot after killing Baal? If that happened in the usual 8-player Baal-run, you'd have one person grab all of that, and seven people ask "What was armor?" about 50 milliseconds later.

[Humphrey]

BTW...how'd you manage to score an 8-player game, and have time to take a screenshot after killing Baal? If that happened in the usual 8-player Baal-run, you'd have one person grab all of that, and seven people ask "What was armor?" about 50 milliseconds later.

ABasin have rules for their games and stuff, they always play private password protected games and vet who joins. So in a Basin game you'd have time for a screenshot.
It could also have been a single player game, but the highest player setting you can have on that is /players 8 which is equal to 4 player in a party for drops.

[CallMeTheSpelunker]

That's a sweet drop...I think the odds might be higher than you'd expect...that is, I'm pretty certain d2 uses a really, really bad pseudo-random number generator function, which is why one finds two of something in the same game so very often, much more often than one should...and also the reason they found it necessary to make it so you can't find more than one of the same unique in the same game. (They're probably using the C/C++ standard rand(), which is known to be awful...if you ever program a game in C++, spend the twenty minutes it'd take to Google a better random number generator function and add it to your code) So the mathematical odds, if you don't take the bad random number generator into account, would look much worse than they actually are, given that Baal probably drops two sacred armors at least one out of a hundred times that he drops one.

Getting those two sacred armors to come out as Tyrael's Might + IK armor, though, is pretty sweet. Even though the bad random number function makes your chance of getting those two together much higher than you'd think it would be, I'm sure having both of them drop together is still much rarer than getting Tyrael's Might...which is already beyond impossible.

BTW...how'd you manage to score an 8-player game, and have time to take a screenshot after killing Baal? If that happened in the usual 8-player Baal-run, you'd have one person grab all of that, and seven people ask "What was armor?" about 50 milliseconds later.

What he said.

[twelvebagger]

Congrats, and I have to say, that pic is a beauty :)

[RTB]

That's a sweet drop...I think the odds might be higher than you'd expect...that is, I'm pretty certain d2 uses a really, really bad pseudo-random number generator function, which is why one finds two of something in the same game so very often, much more often than one should...and also the reason they found it necessary to make it so you can't find more than one of the same unique in the same game. (They're probably using the C/C++ standard rand(), which is known to be awful...if you ever program a game in C++, spend the twenty minutes it'd take to Google a better random number generator function and add it to your code) So the mathematical odds, if you don't take the bad random number generator into account, would look much worse than they actually are, given that Baal probably drops two sacred armors at least one out of a hundred times that he drops one.
The fact that there are streaks means it's a nice RNG, and it's certainly good enough for what D2 needs. It's just that you notice those double drops more than continous single drops.

[Wmeredith]

Like I said before, it wasn't my drop; I wish! It was a friend form the Basin, and yes they play in PW protected games, it's as much a guild as a forum. That would explain the amount of time he had to take a screenie. Anyway I thought I would share the amnazement by posting this screenie on here. It's causing quite a stir at the Basin as well.

[krischan]

Just a question: Was it a failed unique, the rare one ?

[Wmeredith]

Just a question: Was it a failed unique, the rare one ?

I assume you're talking about the mithril point and the pilum? Either way I do not know about the uniques that dropped.

[Broshious]

I'm pretty certain d2 uses a really, really bad pseudo-random number generator function,

I would think that a large gaming company wouldn't make such a stupid mistake in programming their game. People say streaks happen so often because people notice patterns and ignore all the times there is none.

[krischan]

I assume you're talking about the mithril point and the pilum? Either way I do not know about the uniques that dropped.
No, I meant the rare sacred armor. There are two unique sacred armors and even though the first turned out to be Tyrael's, the second can still be a failed unique if it would have been Tyrael's, too. AFAIK there is no guarantee that a second unique sacred armor will be Templar's if the first is Tyrael's. Else you would e.g. just need a game where a Nagelring and Manald Heal has dropped and if you gamble with the right character (and have tons of gold), the next gambled, unique ring would be a SoJ. I'm quite sure that's not guaranteed.

[TrubbaNot]

No, I meant the rare sacred armor. There are two unique sacred armors and even though the first turned out to be Tyrael's, the second can still be a failed unique if it would have been Tyrael's, too. AFAIK there is no guarantee that a second unique sacred armor will be Templar's if the first is Tyrael's. Else you would e.g. just need a game where a Nagelring and Manald Heal has dropped and if you gamble with the right character (and have tons of gold), the next gambled, unique ring would be a SoJ. I'm quite sure that's not guaranteed.

There are two sacred armors, one gold and one green. I don't think a set would qualify as a failed unique.

The Nagelring>Manald Heal>SoJ progression ... wasn't that from an earlier patch?

[skilledlord]

I see no failed uniques.

[krischan]

Oh, it's green :uhhuh: I recalled from memory that one is golden and one is yellow. Forget my question then :lol:

[Humphrey]

There are two unique sacred armors and even though the first turned out to be Tyrael's, the second can still be a failed unique if it would have been Tyrael's, too.

You can get two of the same unique from one enemy in one drop, just not for anywhere else until you s&e.

[krischan]

You can get two of the same unique from one enemy in one drop, just not for anywhere else until you s&e.
I've heard that a few times, but I won't believe it until it's a first hand experience of a trustful person, not just some hearsay. I haven't even seen screenshots of that, but I don't really believe something just because of a screenshot anyway.

I for myself collect selfmade screenshots of dual drops of the same item. It happened about 10 times so far and each time it were two set items. As soon as I find a unique and a failed unique of the same type in one drop (or if I actually find two of the same uniques), I will make a posting here :)

[Frosty_The_Snowman]

I've heard that a few times, but I won't believe it until it's a first hand experience of a trustful person, not just some hearsay. I haven't even seen screenshots of that, but I don't really believe something just because of a screenshot anyway.

I for myself collect selfmade screenshots of dual drops of the same item. It happened about 10 times so far and each time it were two set items. As soon as I find a unique and a failed unique of the same type in one drop (or if I actually find two of the same uniques), I will make a posting here :)Great idea :thumbsup: ! I'll try to do the same. As far as I can recall, I've always dopped dual set items, not uniques :scratch:...

[Bert]

Great idea :thumbsup: ! I'll try to do the same. As far as I can recall, I've always dopped dual set items, not uniques :scratch:...

Same here and they tend to be sigons/Isenharts, never seen a unique drop twice

- Bert

[Humphrey]

I've heard that a few times, but I won't believe it until it's a first hand experience of a trustful person, not just some hearsay.

Go ask RTB then.

[Wmeredith]

I've dropped 2 Bloodletters at the same time before. Of course, no screenie. I'll make sure I get one, next time something like that happens.

[RTB]

Go ask RTB then.
It has happened, but is not supposed to happen, and so far I've heard no report (or I simply cannot remember) that it happened offline. Server issue, most likely.

[SkaMan]

I have never hated anyone before reading this post...

Nice drop man! I'm gonna start running baal til I get the same drop now! :)

[Mperor]

Perhaps they were all elsewhere...

It's not uncommon for people to mf in a let's say "Act 1 Help" type of game just for the sake of better drops... LOL

[Humphrey]

It has happened, but is not supposed to happen, and so far I've heard no report (or I simply cannot remember) that it happened offline. Server issue, most likely.

Knew you'd know :-)